The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

Someone, the other day, asked about Clare Daly's stance on limits on abortion.

Clare Daly addresses this question in this 2012 Late Late Show discussion:

Caroline Simons stated:

"If you look at the bill that Clare introduced earlier this year, She's not
talking about cases where mother's lives are at risk, and I think, we have to
appreciate, you know, Clare you and I have had this debate before. You said that
you think that as a reproductive choice, and as a matter of personal autonomy, a
woman should be entitled to choose to have an abortion, for whatever reasons she
wants, throughout pregnancy. And I think we have to be very clear that,
that being the case, I think we need to reflect very carefully. I'm very glad
that the Minister and Taoiseach, have decided not to rush into anything, in view
of where we are this week".

Clare Daly responded:

"Obviously, that is, I do support a pro choice position, but the
legislation I introduced, and I was quite open about it, could only deal with
the very narrow specifics of providing for abortion in Ireland where the life of
a woman was in danger, so, you know, that was the restrictive nature, and I
was actually apologetic that it was so restrictive. But to say that it opened
the floodgates, and would allow unlimited abortion, is absolutely
ludicrous. And it is reflective of the sort of hype and hysteria that
surrounds this issue, which really we should be discussing quite calmly and
rationally, because it affects so many families".

I presume, if Clare Daly wanted to question what Caroline Simons stated, about Clare Daly's stance - where Caroline Simons said about Clare Daly:

"You said that you think that as a reproductive choice, and as a matter of personal autonomy, a woman should be entitled to choose to have an abortion, for whatever reasons she wants, throughout pregnancy

- she had time to reply.

If Caroline Simons had inaccurately described Clare Daly's stance, Clare Daly had time to correct it.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Blah Blah Blah BPAS Blah Blah Blah Marie Stopes Blah Blah Blah...

Can you do me a favour? Link us to evidence that either of these entities will be setting up in the republic of Ireland please.

BPAS registering a .ie website, would strongly suggest an interest, in setting up shop in Ireland, and an interest in the outcome of the referendum.

www.abortion.ie
www.bpas.ie
www.bpas.co.uk

Keith Mills' collection of polls excluding Don't Knows:

https://twitter.com/KeithMillsD7/status/987226809598119936

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Nope.

Is that not anti-man?

The man/father/potential father/potential parent, is 50% the parent.

Is he not being penalized for the crime of not being able to change the biological fact, of having a willy, but not a womb?

I mean, why so people say the man's views are irrelevant?

Should the man not have an input into the discussion that takes place between the pregnant woman and the doctor?

In that situation, why is argued that the doctor has more of a say - in discussions the doctor has with the pregnant woman - than the father/potential father/man?

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, well. We finally find an aspect of the debate where horseburget actually has an opinion of his own instead of spamming us with 2nd hand opinions via links and videos.

What does he finally chime in on?

Men"s rights! You couldn't make it up.

Would you like to answer the question?

Why is it argued that the father/potential father's opinion is irrelevant?

Why is it considered that the doctor has more of a say than the father/man/potential father, with regard to the phrase often used, that the decision made is done between the woman/potential mother, and her doctor.

I rarely hear it suggested that the decision made on whether or not to have an abortion is between the mother, father and the doctor.

Surely the best scenario is that the decision is made between all three?

Is the phrase 'between the woman and the doctor' only applicable in cases where the mother and father are no longer a couple?

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

You are not one to get all indignant about not having questions answered.

I think it's an interesting aspect to discuss. No indignation from me. I just asked if the poster would like to answer.

If I was indignant, I'd shout, something like:

"WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!"

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Go start a thread about Mens Rights if you want, this one is about the 8th.

Might you contribute to a different thread, and if so, what would you say?

The referendum affects men as well, because men just so happen to be the other half of the parents, in any case of pregnancy and parenthood.

It does indeed affect men.

My wife and my daughter's lives are not equal to an embryos. I want the 8th repealed.

AnneFrank wrote: »

I think most real,natural fathers would love both, save the 8th

I'm a "real, natural father" and I'm voting to repeal, are you saying many of us men are not "real, natural father's" ?

Heart breaking

https://evoke.ie/2018/04/18/news/irish-news/irish-couples-heartbreak-fatal-foetal-abnormality

horseburger wrote: »

BPAS registering a .ie website, would strongly suggest an interest, in setting up shop in Ireland, and an interest in the outcome of the referendum.

www.abortion.ie
www.bpas.ie
www.bpas.co.uk

So no evidence whatsoever that BPAS or Marie Stopes are planning on setting up in Ireland? Yet we have people like you quoting them as if they have bought properties here already to open.

Between That and your ridiculous "this happens in Germany " and "oh look at the statistics in Canada and Australia " arguments you have managed to successfully derail this thread more times than I care to count.

Your latest "show me where I said that" tirade over 3 pages was probably one of the most blatant attempts yet to get the thread closed. Hopefully more people have seen through you as I have and have reported your posts for derailing the thread.

We get it, you're pro-life to the bone. How about actually debating the issue now instead of trying to shut down the debate?

Achasanai wrote: »

What's a 'real, natural' father?

One who plays the game the way they want them to do and never hesitates to shame hussies who can’t keep their filthy legs shut, just like the man who lives in the church tells everyone to do.

robarmstrong wrote: »

Try getting him to answer a question at stupid o clock in the morning, it was a classic blood from a stone scenario

The interwebs doesn't shut down at 6pm

You still refuse to answer my question.

Why do you think I should accept responsibility for claims that I didn't make?

This is the 13th time I will ask you:

What have I stated that is inaccurate?