The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

horseburger · 20-04-2018 05:49PM

amdublin wrote: »

Amy Huberman has today tweeted her support for repealing the 8th amendment

Fabulous.

Therefore we should all stop considering the pros and cons of repealing the amendment, and the uncertainty about what will be covered under subsequent legislation.

Now that Amy is supporting repeal, we don't need to consider the serious issue of the capability of public representatives - who many of us view with cynicism, in any other scenario, where many of us see public representatives as taking voting decisions in the Dáil and Seanad, with regard only for their political careers - to legislate on this issue.

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 05:50PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

by that "logic" when smokers present at hospitals with lung cancer they should be told to jog on

Your seriously comparing lung cancer to pregnancy? Your own logic isnt great bud.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 20-04-2018 05:50PM

kylith wrote: »

So someone in a relationship who either does not want children or does not want more children should not have sex with their partner until after menopause? Which can be anything up to age 50.

ETA: I take it you would also criminalise men who abandon their children?

I suggest they use birth control as it is intended.

January · 20-04-2018 05:50PM

Bingo, mask has slipped. Another one who is shaming women for having sex for pleasure.

zedhead · 20-04-2018 05:50PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I suggest they use birth control as it is intended.

And if it fails? Tough sh*t on them?

amcalester · 20-04-2018 05:51PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

Don't bother, when pushed on certain points the poster has declined to comment on questions asked. Not worth your time.

I’ve been following the thread, so I’m well aware of the posters m.o.

I just posted that in the hope that it might stop 2 pages of posts about IO’D.

SusieBlue · 20-04-2018 05:51PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I suggest they use birth control as it is intended.

That’s very helpful advice to someone who is already in the midst of a crisis pregnancy. The damage has been done at that stage, not that your advice is of any use.

January · 20-04-2018 05:51PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I suggest they use birth control as it is intended.

That's what I did, it failed.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 20-04-2018 05:51PM

zedhead wrote: »

But you said before if you dont want to get pregnant you wont?

Now you're saying it can happen but if it does tough sh*t, deal with the health implications, life restrictions, financial limitations that you may not be able for.

Do we deny medical treatment to those who engage in high risk sports? They knew the risks so they should just deal themselves with the consequences right.

As I've said, ad nausea, I'm in favour of abortion where there is a serious risk to the life or health of the mother.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 20-04-2018 05:52PM

January wrote: »

That's what I did, it failed.

No you didn't

zedhead · 20-04-2018 05:52PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

As I've said, ad nausea, I'm in favour of abortion where there is a serious risk to the life or health of the mother.

So you will be voting to repeal the 8th then?

kylith · 20-04-2018 05:52PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I'm not forcing a notion onto anyone. They are the ones choosing to have sex.

So again: people who do not want to have children should choose not to have sex, ever? Even if they're married or in a LTR?

BarleySweets · 20-04-2018 05:52PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I'm not forcing a notion onto anyone. They are the ones choosing to have sex.

Pathetic!

So your problem is with recreational sex? Is that shameful to you? Does the thought that other people have sex but have no wish to procreate make you feel uneasy?

robarmstrong · 20-04-2018 05:53PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

As I've said, ad nausea, I'm in favour of abortion where there is a serious risk to the life or health of the mother.

So repeal the 8th then. We were denied an abortion because the medical experts who examined my partner deemed that a heart-shaped uterus and weak womb was not a serious enough grounds to qualify.

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 05:53PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Should we refuse treatment to alcoholics? Smokers?
How about extreme sportpeople?
People that get knocked down crossing the road?
They know the risks.............[/

You cant seriously be comparing pregnancy to that? "People who get knocked down crossing the road"? I think the yes campaign does more to hurt itself sometimes.

kylith · 20-04-2018 05:53PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

I suggest they use birth control as it is intended.

Even used totally perfectly it has a failure rate.

robarmstrong · 20-04-2018 05:54PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

No you didn't

Are you for real? January (although I don't know her personally) has been nothing short of an absolute pillar for the 8th campaign in what she has done, are you seriously questioning whether or not she misused the birth control pill?

Ave Sodalis · 20-04-2018 05:54PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote:

No you didn't

And you know this how?

kylith · 20-04-2018 05:55PM

Kk333 wrote: »

bubblypop wrote: »

Should we refuse treatment to alcoholics? Smokers?
How about extreme sportpeople?
People that get knocked down crossing the road?
They know the risks.............

You cant seriously be comparing pregnancy to that? "People who get knocked down crossing the road"? I think the yes campaign does more to hurt itself sometimes.

But people are saying that abortion shouldn't be available because people know there is a risk of pregnancy. People who engage in sport know that there are risks involved.

January · 20-04-2018 05:55PM

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

No you didn't

You tell me how I didn't use it properly, go on.

robarmstrong · 20-04-2018 05:55PM

Kk333 wrote: »

You cant seriously be comparing pregnancy to that? "People who get knocked down crossing the road"? I think the yes campaign does more to hurt itself sometimes.

I think posting up lies, misleading posters, twisting statistics is more damaging to the pro-life campaign than what bubblypop said is to the pro-choice campaign.

kylith · 20-04-2018 05:56PM

January wrote: »

You tell me how I didn't use it properly, go on.

(He snuck into your house and replaced all your pills with mini mints)

BarleySweets · 20-04-2018 05:56PM

horseburger wrote: »

Fabulous.

Therefore we should all stop considering the pros and cons of repealing the amendment, and the uncertainty about what will be covered under subsequent legislation.

Now that Amy is supporting repeal, we don't need to consider the serious issue of the capability of public representatives - who many of us view with cynicism, in any other scenario, where many of us see public representatives as taking voting decisions in the Dáil and Seanad, with regard only for their political careers - to legislate on this issue.

You really do think you’re morally superior to so many other people don’t you? That’s disgusting pal, you need to rethink your outlook on life.

I’d much rather hear Amy Huberman’s thoughts on an issue than your friend Ian O’Doherty’s. At least she’s not shown herself to be a total hypocrite.

baylah17 · 20-04-2018 05:56PM

kylith wrote: »

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

You are the one advocating repealing the 8th amendment, the onus is on you to to outline the basis for changing the status quo and to prove that a 6 week old zygote should not have a right to life.

It has no functioning brain.
It has no functioning nervous system.
It has no functioning organs.
It cannot survive outside of a womb.

Why should it have rights that take precedence over those of a grown woman?
Why should she have to carry it to term if she does not want to? Pregnancy and birth can be torturous.

Effectively it is a parasite
Usually welcome
Sometimes unwelcome
And sometimes likely to cause the death of the host
But the anti choice mob put the life of the parasite above all else

robarmstrong · 20-04-2018 05:57PM

horseburger wrote: »

Fabulous.
Therefore we should all stop considering the pros and cons of repealing the amendment, and the uncertainty about what will be covered under subsequent legislation.

That's funny, when did you even start considering the pros of repeal let alone stop considering?

tretorn · 20-04-2018 05:57PM

robarmstrong wrote: »

My partner has a heart-shaped uterus and a medically diagnosed weak womb, so regardless of any precautions we take, any pregnancy we have gone through (apart from this one which has been all good so far at 27 weeks with a baby girl in there) there was a very, very high chance she was going to miscarry, or the baby would have died further along.

Based on your soundbite, I shouldn't even consider having sex with her, due to the above information. See your logic? We have gone through too many miscarriages and have had an abortion across the water where she was not liable to have support or aftercare.

Despite my belief against abortion, imagine my anger, that my partner could not have this in her own country because technically what's wrong with her isn't a threat to her life and isn't deemed a threat enough (despite the numerous miscarriages) to a pregnancy.

We didn't qualify for the very strict measures put in place, if the 8th was repealed, we would qualify.

Have you ever thought about having a vasectomy.

I wouldnt think any medical person would be in favour of another abortion if your partner has a weak womb. Maybe should you think about taking responsibility for birth control.

Thats your responsibility first and foremost and it takes precedence over your desire for legal abortion.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 20-04-2018 05:57PM

zedhead wrote: »

So you will be voting to repeal the 8th then?

By repealing the 8th amendment will abortion in cases where the mothers life and health is at risk be legal in Ireland?

robarmstrong · 20-04-2018 05:58PM

tretorn wrote: »

Have you ever thought about having a vasectomy.

I wouldnt think any medical person would be in favour of another abortion if your partner has a weak womb. Maybe should you think about taking responsibility for birth control.

Thats your responsibility first and foremost and it takes precedence over your desire for legal abortion.

Are you actually f*cking serious with what you just said?

Kk333 · 20-04-2018 05:58PM

kylith wrote: »

But people are saying that abortion shouldn't be available because people know there is a risk of pregnancy. People who engage in sport know that there are risks involved.

The analogy isn't even in the same ball park mate. Surely anyone who is anyway logical could see that.

tretorn · 20-04-2018 05:58PM

baylah17 wrote: »

Effectively it is a parasite
Usually welcome
Sometimes unwelcome
And sometimes likely to cause the death of the host
But the anti choice mob put the life of the parasite above all else

If you singleminded want to put people off listening to you then continue to compare a developing baby to the equivalent of a louse.

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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