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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #7142
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    But at what stage do you think it has a right to life?
    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    What they said was it it's not a child until it is born but at what stage do they believe a foetus should have a right to life?

    Answered already.
    Birth.


  • #7143
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    What they said was it it's not a child until it is born but at what stage do they believe a foetus should have a right to life?

    When it is born and/or is viable to live outside the womb, which is usually around 22 weeks gestation.


  • #7144
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    childrens allowance for all pregnant women?
    Actually, since your gestation time is counted since date of last menstrual period and not date of fertilization/implantation it could be argued that all women are theoretically pregnant as for the 2 weeks before ovulation it's counted as being pregnant if you get pregnant at ovulation.


  • #7145
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The "life " you are talking about IS someone else's pregnancy.

    And don't call me Shirley.

    Pregnancy is a state of being not a thing.


  • #7146
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Answered already.
    Birth.

    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?


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  • #7147
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Pregnancy is a state of being not a thing.

    I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Can you please explain why you feel you have a right to have input and an opinion on the pregnancy of a woman you have never met?
    How do you justify that?


  • #7148
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    What they said was it it's not a child until it is born but at what stage do they believe a foetus should have a right to life?

    Birth is when they said the child’s right to life begins! Stop twisting their words.


  • #7149
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    What about FGM, that happens in otter countries should we legislate for that in Ireland also?
    I fail to understand the argument that just because everybody else is doing it we should be doing it also.

    Legislate for it to happen? where is it legislated for?

    We should definitely have legislation prohibiting FGM (or GM of any kind really) if we don't already.

    I don't understand the argument that we can't offer health care services to our citizens because of how they are operated in another country

    What will you say to the couples who have to travel if the repeal fails?


  • #7150
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?
    No one is in favour of abortion.
    Legally a foetus 5 minutes before birth is not a person, it is a foetus nearing the end of its gestation.


  • #7151
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Can you please explain why you feel you have a right to have input and an opinion on the pregnancy of a woman you have never met?
    How do you justify that?


    the baby jesus told them they could.


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  • #7152
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    Birth is when they said the child’s right to life begins! Stop twisting their words.
    Par for the course with the birthpolice unfortunately


  • #7153
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the baby jesus told them they could.
    Interestingly only the Catholic baby Jesus.
    The Protestant one was against the 8th in 1983.


  • #7154
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Birth.
    Medically it is a foetus (that's how we spell it in Ireland, cowboy), until birth.
    Legally it is not a person until birth.

    But at what stage do you think it has a right to life?
    Ooh
    More " I'm so innocent looking for help" questions
    A la Iona Youth Offence handbook
    Laughing myself silly at you


  • #7155
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Pregnancy is a state of being not a thing.
    It's both.
    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?
    Pregnancies are terminated 5 minutes, or a day, or a week, before term all the time. It's called induction and it leads to a live baby.


  • #7156
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Actually, since your gestation time is counted since date of last menstrual period and not date of fertilization/implantation it could be argued that all women are theoretically pregnant as for the 2 weeks before ovulation it's counted as being pregnant if you get pregnant at ovulation.

    schrodingers pregnancy!


  • #7157
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?

    You aren't the first to use such extremities to try to prove a point.

    You are mixing up terminating pregnancies and abortions.
    Terminating a pregnancy means the baby is delivered early.
    If the woman's health is at risk, or the baby is having issues and its the day/week/month before her due date, the baby is delivered early to alleviate risks. I am in favour of this.

    Late term abortions only occur in heartbreaking circumstances, where either the baby will not live.
    It isn't simply a case of a woman being 8 months pregnant and deciding to pack it in & head off to the clinic cos she's had enough of the heartburn and cravings.

    You must have a very poor and low opinion of women if you think they will go around aborting full term pregnancies willy nilly just for lols.

    Regardless, the limit for on request abortion will be only 12 weeks anyway so your point is invalid.
    Late term abortions are devastating for all involved and you are downplaying the heartbreak they cause by using them to prove your point.


  • #7158
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Interestingly only the Catholic baby Jesus.
    The Protestant one was against the 8th in 1983.

    I wouldn’t tar all Protestants with the same brush. The prods up north and from the USA are both fanatical about life beginning at conception and have been major financial contributors to a lot of Save the 8th campaigns in Ireland over the years.


  • #7159
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Answered already.
    Birth.

    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation


  • #7160
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Can you please explain why you feel you have a right to have input and an opinion on the pregnancy of a woman you have never met?
    How do you justify that?

    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.


  • #7161
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Answered already.
    Birth.

    So five minutes before a child is born, you would be in favour of abortion?
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    Ah da poor babby jezus
    He told them to abuse the durty huzzies
    Starve their durty bastard brats and then **** them their bodies in septic tank
    Great lad that babby jezus
    Ah God be with the hood ol days


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  • #7162
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.

    no pregnant is a state of being, pregnancy is the duration of time for which a woman is pregnant


  • #7163
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.

    I still don't see what point you are trying to make, but regardless, you have no right to have any input on a strangers pregnancy.
    Its none of your business.
    This should be a private matter between a woman and her doctor and not for society to have any input on.


  • #7164
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,388 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.
    Thats not even what the question was.....:confused:


  • #7165
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.

    Is a cold a thing? Is a headache a thing?


  • #7166
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    No one is in favour of abortion.
    Legally a foetus 5 minutes before birth is not a person, it is a foetus nearing the end of its gestation.

    Interesting how you pick and choose which parts of the law and constitution which suit your argument. If the law was so infallible then we wouldn't be having a vote on this in the first place. If you want to accept the letter of the law then you can accept the constitution as it currently stands.


  • #7167
    kylith
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    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    no pregnant is a state of being, pregnancy is the duration of time for which a woman is pregnant

    I am pregnant.
    I have a pregnancy.


  • #7168
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I still don't see what point you are trying to make, but regardless, you have no right to have any input on a strangers pregnancy.
    Its none of your business.
    This should be a private matter between a woman and her doctor and not for society to have any input on.

    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.


  • #7169
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    Like an unwanted pregnancy?


  • #7170
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    baylah17 wrote: »
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    Ah da poor babby jezus
    He told them to abuse the durty huzzies
    Starve their durty bastard brats and then **** them their bodies in septic tank
    Great lad that babby jezus
    Ah God be with the hood ol days

    What is this? Lol.


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  • #7171
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    Who exactly? The fetus is not a person? It isn't a born living citizen?


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