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Is it illegal to tear down posters

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  • #182
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    I would be in principal in favour of both gay marriage and repeal the 8 but the manner in which the yes campaigners conduct the selfs would lead me to vote no or not at all ,

    there is no intelligent discussion , no facts no dissent allowed and if you dare to raise a question you must be a religious nut a fascist or whatever

    If you'd vote contrary to your own principles purely because of the behaviour of others, campaigning for those very principles, maybe intelligent discussion is not for you.


  • #183
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Jane1012 wrote: »
    What I find funny is a yes supporter whose main campaign line is the right to choice, yet they don’t support the right to free speech and want to illegaly remove posters.

    They want to remove incorrect and nonfactual posters. Don't post up lies if you don't want them taken down, there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling the true statistics and basing your argument off of that, that's completely respectable and reasonable.
    Jane1012 wrote: »
    Many of the yes side to me seem like ill educated jump on the band wagon type of people. Anything to get involved in an anti government/church/‘insert form of authority’ type person.

    You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be. You'll find that there is a small minority of the pro-choice side that match your description, the overwhelming majority of them just support women's right to a choice to seek a legal abortion in their own country.


  • #184
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,447 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    They’re handy for lining the dogs run. The ‘vote no to marriage equality’ ones are starting to get a bit shabby. I had loads of those ones.

    Once the misleading prolife ones are used up, it’ll be back to using the plain old Fianna Fáil ones. I should have enough stocked up to take me through to the next general election though.


  • #185
    Jane1012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Jane1012


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    They want to remove incorrect and nonfactual posters. Don't post up lies if you don't want them taken down, there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling the true statistics and basing your argument off of that, that's completely respectable and reasonable.



    Fair - however I’ve seen lies from both sides - the no side with their 1 in 5 is completely incorrect however I’ve also seen the yes side scaremongering the no side is getting people removed from voting registers


  • #186
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,179 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I think referendums should only be allowed to be held in the 1st week of July, and by law the backside of every poster should have the Irish tricolour on them. That way all the lads from up north will come down and collect them all free of charge and dispose of them on their bonfires

    Elections should ideally all be held in the last week of October so our own lads will dispose of the posters on the bonfires of halloween in a similar vein.

    micky drips galore!!


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  • #187
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    If you'd vote contrary to your own principles purely because of the behaviour of others, campaigning for those very principles, maybe intelligent discussion is not for you.

    it smacks of low grade social bullying is the point that you seem to have missed.


    I dont care to be forced take a position on something


  • #188
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    it smacks of low grade social bullying is the point that you seem to have missed.


    I dont care to be forced take a position on something

    No, it doesn't.

    If someone is an arsehole but they are correct with what they have to say, I would be the bigger arsehole by saying I do agree with them but I'm not going to because they're an arsehole.


  • #189
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Whatever side one supports, it is illegal to remove posters that have been given a legal right to be put up.

    I presume people here are adults, so if something annoys them, they can control their feelings and express that feeling in a yes or no vote. Wanting to be a censor of a yes or no material on a pole says one has doubts their side will win and that the poster is effective.


  • #190
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Whatever side one supports, it is illegal to remove posters that have been given a legal right to be put up.

    I presume people here are adults, so if something annoys them, they can control their feelings and express that feeling in a yes or no vote. Wanting to be a censor of a yes or no material on a pole says one has doubts their side will win and that the poster is effective.

    Putting up false material up on a pole also says one has doubts their side will win.


  • #191
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Putting up false material up on a pole also says one has doubts their side will win.

    But that is deciding it is accurate, it may actually be true but doesn't suit one's own opinion.
    I don't for one minute believe the compassion argument by Yes, I think that is a lie, but I will not be tearing down posters.


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  • #192
    Murdoc90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Murdoc90


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    If you'd vote contrary to your own principles purely because of the behaviour of others, campaigning for those very principles, maybe intelligent discussion is not for you.

    it's pathetic


  • #193
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But that is deciding it is accurate, it may actually be true but doesn't suit one's own opinion.
    I don't for one minute believe the compassion argument by Yes, I think that is a lie, but I will not be tearing down posters.

    If it is inaccurate, it should not be put up in the first place, not that difficult to understand. There is no need to resort to lies and purposefully misleading posters/items/etc, it just reeks of desperation, nothing wrong with pro-life admitting they were lying and then basing their arguments/debates on the actual facts.


  • #194
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #195
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    It should be at least illegal in residential areas, having one of the more disturbing ones within 15 feet of your bedroom window isn't fair.

    If a movie had the same imagery as some of the posters it would be at least 15's if not 18's.


  • #196
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    For me I’m going to either vote YES or not vote. The YES campaign is convincing me to not vote.

    You realise this isn't the X-Factor, right???


  • #197
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Murdoc90 wrote: »
    it's pathetic

    thats ok

    ill give your opinion on my choice the respect it deserves .

    you cant force me to form the opinion that suits your agenda


  • #198
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Mrhuth wrote: »
    I'll post up a photograph of how many of them are in my street. I didn't count but it's at least 20 and they are on every lamp post. Who the hell is funding them? Why is it on issues like that, that they have unlimited funding. And then they go calling pro abortion activists nazis. What the ****? How many vote yes posters do you see compared to vote no? Same with gay marriage yeah because gay marriage affects your pathetic life so ****ing much that you have to prevent other people getting married. I am furious for not taking down the anti gay marriage posters. I won't make the same mistake again.

    You should get all these posters in a pile and burn them in public. That would be the exact opposite of what the Nazis used to do. And I can see why you regret not tearing down the gay marriage posters. If you had done that then gay marriage would be even more legal now.


  • #199
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Ok at this stage stop engaging with me I’ve reported your posts.

    Just to repeat. You know nothing about me yet you accuse me of this that and the other. Get it into your head. I was going to vote yes then saw the carry on of the yes supporters and want nothing to do with them.

    Actually your attitude is enforcing my decision to not vote yes.

    So, to be clear, you believed that the 8th should be repealed, but due to the actions of a minority of people you are now not going to vote, and to hell with the people it will effect in the future if it doesn't pass??


  • #200
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    GarIT wrote: »
    It should be at least illegal in residential areas, having one of the more disturbing ones within 15 feet of your bedroom window isn't fair.

    If a movie had the same imagery as some of the posters it would be at least 15's if not 18's.

    Really I have not seen graphic one. The worst I have seen is the baby/feotus/embryo 1 for no and if you think that 1 is graphic I would suggest you do not look at a leaving cert biology book or any show that shows an ultrasound picture


  • #201
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    If you believe in voting Yes on Repeal but won't because of the "shrieking of blue haired harridans", as I keep reading here, you are doing the bigger picture a massive disservice.

    Yes they can be intolerable, but look beyond that.


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  • #202
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    I will be voting. That's for damned certain. Win or lose I'll be very interested in the spread of votes across the country. It'll be a fascinating temperature gauge of opinion in various areas of Ireland.


  • #203
    GritBiscuit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    Ulysses Gaze wrote:
    If you believe in voting Yes on Repeal but won't because of the "shrieking of blue haired harridans", as I keep reading here, you are doing the bigger picture a massive disservice.


    I'm very sceptical of anyone who claims their vote regarding a constitutional amendment can be swayed by a handful of people and actions largely unrelated to the amendment in question.

    It was a tactic seen during the last referendum, usually by people who were self aware enough of their prejudices to cling to other reasons to espouse their voting choices.


  • #204
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    martingriff wrote: »
    And this is why some dislike the yes side using words like parasite, anyone who hates women vote no. I wonder have anyone told there you know I thought of you as nothing but a parasite using my body. For all of us who feel like turning away from the yes side because of this please do not. Vote for what you think is right.

    In relation to posters why is it they are forcing there opinion on people when you oppose it but if it's something you support it's just information. We are in a democracy and both sides are entitled to put there sides forward. I do agree with people here that all posters should be banned

    Definition of parasite

    "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense"

    Maybe they should change the definition for people easily offended...


  • #205
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    GritBiscuit wrote: »
    I'm very sceptical of anyone who claims their vote regarding a constitutional amendment can be swayed by a handful of people and actions largely unrelated to the amendment in question.

    It was a tactic seen during the last referendum, usually by people who were self aware enough of their prejudices to cling to other reasons to espouse their voting choices.

    Indeed its a very convenient yet pathetic way for people with bigotted and ignorant views to give themselves a get out of jail free card in public even if the logic they are using is that of a 5 year old and trasnparent as hell.


  • #206
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    If it is inaccurate, it should not be put up in the first place, not that difficult to understand. There is no need to resort to lies and purposefully misleading posters/items/etc, it just reeks of desperation, nothing wrong with pro-life admitting they were lying and then basing their arguments/debates on the actual facts.

    It is being blind if one only believes there are lies on the side they oppose, but believe everything from the side that one supports.


  • #207
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    How dare you. You know nothing about me yet you accuse me of that.

    I was going to vote yes.

    Saw the carry on of the yes supporters.

    Want nothing to do with them.

    I may vote no or I may not vote at all.

    Clear?

    Ah, so your vote stems from pettiness and spite, very mature my good sir.
    Are you 8?


  • #208
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is being blind if one only believes there are lies on the side they oppose, but believe everything from the side that one supports.

    Amen to that. Indeed yes


  • #209
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    I hate them all yes and no posters. This is a choice of conscience and has no place being billboarded to try and sway opinion. I find the posters condescending and disgusting... All of them. I've already decided my vote and posters won't change that.


  • #210
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Amen to that. Indeed yes

    Yes, amen to spreading lies and misinformation by putting up false and misleading posters.

    Which has been seen from one side.

    Only.


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  • #211
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Yes, amen to spreading lies and misinformation by putting up false and misleading posters.

    Which has been seen from one side.

    Only.

    So everything the yes side is putting out is pure truth?


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