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Bad clear coat or stone chip?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Your clear coat has failed and on a relatively new car this is very unusual even with stone chips. Its a sure sign that the panel has been repainted (badly).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Looks like chipped then clear coat breaks up.

    Bad weather I'm sure has advanced the decay let's say.

    Once the water gets in it then freezes and breaks it from the paint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    funny i have never seen this issue on Audis including my old one which was 12 years old , or the wifes 3 year old one which does the same roads and mileage .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    What car is this? Did you own from new?

    That seems insane for a car under 3 years old. I wouldn't be accepting that as normal, even with stone chips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    My Octavia has a few spots very similar. One was on the rear spoiler and eventually it stripped the whole of it.

    Water got in under and just spread.

    Up along the a frame beside the windscreen has it bad also which did start as a stone chip.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    What car is this? Did you own from new?

    That seems insane for a car under 3 years old. I wouldn't be accepting that as normal, even with stone chips.


    yes new , 6 months warranty left - skoda fabia

    it is on a PCP and i wont be getting another Skoda , thats for sure .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Don’t let them away with that. They need to at least take it seriously and inspect etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭GustavoFring


    I'd be shocked if that was factory paint. Bring it to another dealer, that shouldn't be happening. Stone chips or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    funny i have never seen this issue on Audis including my old one which was 12 years old , or the wifes 3 year old one which does the same roads and mileage .

    My neighbor's 2001 a6 has it on one of the doors, a big patch of missing clear coat. It's the original factory paint too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    yes but not a 2.5 year old car


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    yes but not a 2.5 year old car

    No but regarding audis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,601 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that their car is original factory paint / never been resprayed. Its not unusual at all for brand new cars to get touched up before they even reach the dealers forecourt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    But if that’s the case Skoda are absolutely responsible to put it right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭kirving


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that their car is original factory paint / never been resprayed.

    A paint depth gauge will give an extremely good indication when compared with the rest of the car though. The likes of a pre-painted bumper would be more difficult of course.
    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Its not unusual at all for brand new cars to get touched up before they even reach the dealers forecourt.

    I'd say that it's true - but on a brand new car I'd expect nothing less than a brand new panel instead of a respray. I do know too that many manufactures will not allow re-painted parts (bumpers, mirrors, etc), to be put on the car under any circumstance as anything outside of the rigidly controlled production process has the potential to cause issues down the line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    update :

    the dealer has examined it with his paint guy , and advise that they are taking it up with Skoda .

    they reckon it IS stone damage , but the clear coat should not peel , as this is not happening on metallics colour cars they checked , mine is a plain flat colour non metallic - they say it seems to be an issue with the flat color / clear coat bond.

    so it is up to skoda now - and it's still on PCP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭millington


    A paint depth gauge will give an extremely good indication when compared with the rest of the car though. The likes of a pre-painted bumper would be more difficult of course.



    I'd say that it's true - but on a brand new car I'd expect nothing less than a brand new panel instead of a respray. I do know too that many manufactures will not allow re-painted parts (bumpers, mirrors, etc), to be put on the car under any circumstance as anything outside of the rigidly controlled production process has the potential to cause issues down the line.

    You wouldn't believe the amount of cars that see paintwork before even being registered :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    update :

    the dealer has examined it with his paint guy , and advise that they are taking it up with Skoda .

    they reckon it IS stone damage , but the clear coat should not peel , as this is not happening on metallics colour cars they checked , mine is a plain flat colour non metallic - they say it seems to be an issue with the flat color / clear coat bond.

    so it is up to skoda now - and it's still on PCP

    Sounds promising. Fingers crossed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    millington wrote: »
    You wouldn't believe the amount of cars that see paintwork before even being registered :eek:

    True but to the trained eye it shouldn't be too hard to see a resprayed panel, even an excellent job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    Skoda have responded to say they are assessing the dealer report


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Neilw


    Volkswagen in the last have had the same happen with non metallic colours.
    Every red golf R32 around 2003/4 had clearcoat failure and peeling.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Neilw wrote: »
    Volkswagen in the last have had the same happen with non metallic colours.
    Every red golf R32 around 2003/4 had clearcoat failure and peeling.

    So did Toyota on red.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭9935452


    Neilw wrote: »
    Volkswagen in the last have had the same happen with non metallic colours.
    Every red golf R32 around 2003/4 had clearcoat failure and peeling.

    Did they repair the cars ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    Skoda have told the dealer Spirit Skoda Sandyford - that it is stone chips and they do not cover it under warranty.

    this is utter rubbish and anyone can see this is paint failure.

    So Skoda can basically sell you a car on a 3 year pcp, and you end up with an inferior car that loses its value beyond what it should due to its ability to disintegrate over the pcp period .

    thanks Skoda , and thanks especially to Spirit sandyford for selling me this piece of junk -


    next stop - independent paint expert and a solicitor .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    Skoda have told the dealer Spirit Skoda Sandyford - that it is stone chips and they do not cover it under warranty.

    this is utter rubbish and anyone can see this is paint failure.

    So Skoda can basically sell you a car on a 3 year pcp, and you end up with an inferior car that loses its value beyond what it should due to its ability to disintegrate over the pcp period .

    thanks Skoda , and thanks especially to Spirit sandyford for selling me this piece of junk -


    next stop - independent paint expert and a solicitor .

    That sucks.

    Was expecting them to do better than that.

    Cpc or not, it is a relatively new car still in warranty. The paint should not peel off like that, unless some expert calls it normal. But it's not normal...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Definitely go the legal route.
    No way it's acceptable or normal.
    Expert report stating that the defect is a failure of the paint system and a nice letter from your solicitor should get things moving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    There is no way stone damage would cause paint to peel like that. It's really has to be a flaw in the paint process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭dmc17


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    Skoda have told the dealer Spirit Skoda Sandyford - that it is stone chips and they do not cover it under warranty.

    this is utter rubbish and anyone can see this is paint failure.

    So Skoda can basically sell you a car on a 3 year pcp, and you end up with an inferior car that loses its value beyond what it should due to its ability to disintegrate over the pcp period .

    thanks Skoda , and thanks especially to Spirit sandyford for selling me this piece of junk -


    next stop - independent paint expert and a solicitor .

    Wow. If this is how stone chips manifest on a Skoda, it's probably best to avoid bringing them out on the roads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    DaDumTish wrote: »
    thanks Skoda , and thanks especially to Spirit sandyford for selling me this piece of junk -


    next stop - independent paint expert and a solicitor .

    It's probably unfair to berate the dealer like that. They didn't build the car and they aren't going to do a repair that Skoda aren't going to pay for, that'd be a sure fire way to go out of business.

    Let's be honest here, the radius of the lacquer peel is probably larger than you or I would expect to be the norm. On the other hand though you simply cannot deny that the lacquer peel begins at the base of stone chips and if you check your paintwork warranty you will read that stone chips left untreated will invalidate it, which pretty much removes any leg you have to stand on here.

    By all means get an independent paint inspection and a solicitor, what will you do with the findings though? At the moment it just sounds like an idle threat. What will you do if it's factory paint? The peeling started at the base of a stone chip which is user damage, thats all Skoda need to say. What will you do if you find that it isn't factory paint? The peeling still starts at the base of a stone chip, "but for" the stone chip, the paint would still be perfect so I'd say you'll find it hard to get a solicitor who would take that on.

    You could probably say that the lacquer peel around the stone chip damage is excessive, which I admit it does look to be and you can say to yourself, maybe it's because Skodas aren't great and the next time you buy a car you should buy one that is more resilient to user damage.

    If your windscreen started to de-laminate around a stone chip, should that be considered a manufacturing defect too? I dont want to come across as too negative but I am struggling to see how this can be solely the manufacturers issue to rectify. Maybe some contribution from the dealer if the car was touched up post delivery but that'd be an unlikely best case scenario i'd say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    1/ i dont believe they are stone chips - if it is the car is not fit for purpose

    2/ any car i see with stone chips does not have peel around them , even 10 year old ones . this car is 2.5 years old

    3/ its not 'user damage ' - i baby the hell out of this car , as i know it helps them last .

    4/ even quicker way to go out of business is to sell cars on pcp and expect people to pay a lump sum at the end for car that is now faulty
    they are standing by a dodgy build,


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    With reference to dropping the car off and refusing to pay the balloon payment just to get back at the dealer or Skoda themselves is the wrong move.

    Firstly the finance has nothing to do with them but an independent finance albeit called VW bank. Skoda and the dealer have been paid for the car 2.5 years ago from the finance company.

    The finance company will chase you through the courts for the balloon payment and can tarnish your credit rating for future financing and even render you bankrupt should it come to that.


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