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Is Islam right for Ireland?

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  • #302
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

    Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?


  • #303
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    eeguy wrote: »
    I'm sure people from Roscommon would give you a similar answer
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/it-s-not-easy-being-a-yes-roscommon-voter-1.2224140

    This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics at play here. They cannot accept the reality and cognitive dissonance. You try and equate the opposition to same sex marriage in a tiny place in Ireland to making homosexuality illegal and punishable by ( sharia ) law. Here I'll give you more to bite on, maybe some lads up in the hills in Louth share similar feelings. We can do this all night if you wish

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/survey-reveals-chasm-between-muslim-values-and-rest-of-uk-d30hl55lk

    Only one in three British Muslims would tip off the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with terrorist sympathisers, a poll has revealed.
    More than 100,000 British Muslims sympathise with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts, the survey suggests.


  • #304
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    The Old Guy wrote: »
    I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

    Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?

    I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

    Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

    Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?


  • #305
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    eeguy wrote: »
    I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

    Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

    Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?

    I am against illegal immigration so that would mean a lot less muslims coming into Europe. I don't like Islam, the would would be a better place without it.

    It has and will cause social problems in Europe (look at Sweden) and no amount of liberal utopian thinking will change that.


  • #306
    2 Scoops
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    eeguy wrote: »
    I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying that people shouldn't be profiled by their religion, and seeing that Catholicism is far from clean we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

    Would you like to be denied entry into a country because youre Irish and Ireland is a Catholic country?

    Also, the statistics from the Times were a poll of 1000 Muslims for a Channel 4 documentary. Would you base immigration policy on the results of such a poll?

    It's standard polling procedure.

    To the bold part, I agree on that point you're making and I've never suggested that everyone be denied entry to a country purely based on their religious beliefs.

    My point is that there's a pattern of serious problems across Europe that has occurred due to large scale immigration from predominately Muslim majority countries, if people would simply admit that then the conversation could more forward onto a discussion of how to let good people who want to integrate into a new society in and keep the bad ones out.

    The conversation has never gotten that far, there's people who outright refuse to admit the problems in Europe that have occurred so occasionally I feel the need to point some of them out.


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  • #307
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    The Old Guy wrote: »
    I will never understand why liberals

    You don't understand what a liberal is.

    No real liberal person supports Islam.


  • #308
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    You don't understand what a liberal is.

    No real liberal person supports Islam.

    Indeed. Perhaps 'western liberal' is the better term. Closeted, sheltered people who don't realise how lucky they are to live in the west. They should talk to ex-muslims.


  • #309
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    They wouldn't sleep under your bed anyway, half of them in the UK think homosexuality should be illegal


    I'm gay now?


  • #310
    2 Scoops
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    I'm gay now?

    Yup, that's precisely the point I was making. * slowly claps *


  • #311
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Look at immigration patterns for a start that tells you all you need to know .The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries only to impose their own religious ideology onto indigenous Europeans which makes no sense at all. Why did they leave Islamic majority countries in the first place if they love Islam so much.


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  • #312
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Mutant z wrote: »
    Look at immigration patterns for a start that tells you all you need to know .The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries only to impose their own religious ideology onto indigenous Europeans which makes no sense at all. Why did they leave Islamic majority countries in the first place if they love Islam so much.

    geeez that's a good question and I'm not sure I can you a proper answer but at a guess I'm going to say it's something to do with the lower odds of getting shot and or bombed in the west.

    If not that perhaps something to do with being able to feed themselves and/or their families.


  • #313
    Mutant z
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    Can the left give a list of the positives that Islam brings to western Europe they are the ones who want them all to come here so they should give a list of any positive things that Islam brings I'll be waiting for their answers.


  • #314
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    Mutant z wrote: »
    The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries

    That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

    I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?


  • #315
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

    I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?

    The standard line trotted out by guilt ridden westerners Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? They worship muslims in Sweden.


  • #316
    Mutant z
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    The Old Guy wrote: »
    I will never understand why liberals are so determined to defend the most backward, homophobic, misogynistic religion going.

    Shouldn't it be us conservative right wingers praising Islam as a model for the rest of us?
    The majority of those who practice it happen to be non white so hence must never be criticised in the leftists world the racism of low expectations for want of a better word.


  • #317
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    The Old Guy wrote: »
    The standard line trotted out by guilt ridden westerners Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? They worship muslims in Sweden.

    What about the numbers?


  • #318
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Yup, that's precisely the point I was making. * slowly claps *
    They wouldn't sleep under your bed anyway, half of them in the UK think homosexuality should be illegal

    So what point are you making?


  • #319
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.


  • #320
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    eeguy wrote: »
    I have a perfectly well developed conscience that doesn't like to see images of children washed up on beaches because of close minded attitudes like yours.

    You mean children that already have a perfectly safe life in Turkey, who’s father had a job and they had an apartment rent free, and tried to get to the U.K. only because of the fathers vanity?? How did mine or anyone else’s attitude contribute to that??


  • #321
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Mutant z wrote: »
    If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

    ....using real world examples in the irish state, please back up your notion.


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  • #322
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Mutant z wrote: »
    The bizarre thing is muslims want to get the hell out of their own countries

    That probably has something to do with "their ' countries being bombed and invaded by outsiders. I'd say that Muslims have a lot more to fear from non Muslims than the other way round.

    I wonder how the body count would pan out. Muslims killed by non Muslims or non Muslims killed by Muslims, say in this century?
    Oh Sweden has done nothing but show them affection and look at the thanks they got the problem is Islam itself.


  • #323
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    The Old Guy wrote: »
    Tell me, what did the Swedes do to deserve their truck attack? .

    What did the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi muslims do to deserve being killed by non muslims?

    Am I doing this right?


  • #324
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Mutant z wrote: »
    If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

    ....using real world examples in the irish state, please back up your notion.
    The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.


  • #325
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    RustyNut wrote: »
    What did the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi muslims do to deserve being killed by non muslims?

    Am I doing this right?

    Sweden, the 'humanitarian superpower' bends over backwards for Islamic migrants and they still got a truck attack and other serious social problems. You'll forgive me for not being too optimistic about Islamic migration.

    You'll also forgive for not having the idiotic western liberal notion that we 'owe' the third world.


  • #326
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You mean children that already have a perfectly safe life in Turkey, who’s father had a job and they had an apartment rent free, and tried to get to the U.K. only because of the fathers vanity?? How did mine or anyone else’s attitude contribute to that??

    He was Kurdish. Then as now, its not the best state for a Kurd to stay in.


  • #327
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He was Kurdish. Then as now, its not the best state for a Kurd to stay in.

    He was safe, going to school, his father was working away as a waiter and they didn’t have any rent worries. Spout any nonsense you like. He was safe until his fathers vanity took over.


  • #328
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Mutant z wrote: »
    The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country


    True.
    Mutant z wrote: »
    well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

    Well,
    If muslims want islam so much then its best they emigrate to a country that best suits that view Ireland is traditionally a non Islamic country and i want it to remain that way.

    ...you seem to be under the notion that muslims arriving here will change that. My question is "how?"


  • #329
    The Old Guy
    Site Banned Posts: 17 ✭The Old Guy


    Mutant z wrote: »
    The notion that Ireland is historically a non Islamic country well that's obvious to everyone but the willfully blind and stupid.

    Bigot. Don't you know that Islamic craftsmen helped construct Newgrange?

    And this thing about Islam being a homophobic religion? How can that be true when it is recorded in the Koran that Muhammad enjoyed relationships with several young male lovers?


  • #330
    miocicmma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭miocicmma


    For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it doesn't make any difference.


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  • #331
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    miocicmma wrote: »
    For me all religions are equally ridiculous, so whether it's a Christian or a Muslim, in a Church of Mosque, praying to God or Allah it does make any difference.

    Islam is a lot more than just a religion.


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