Is Islam right for Ireland?

eeguy wrote: »

Yes and many die trying.

There's some serious lack of compassion in this country. The west has continually f*cked up Muslim countries for the last 200 years, and especially in the last 30. From Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, the Arab Spring, Libya, Syria and many more occassions when the West felt it was in their interest to intervene with bombs and bullets.

There are a lot more countries in the west than the primary military nations. And TBH while I seriously dislike the involvement of western governments in the M.East, you're applying military operations in particular regions as justification for all immigration/refugee status.

As for compassion, I'd be perfectly happy with a tax added on to us, to provide funding for settlement and help to them outside of Europe. The few camps that were implemented were poorly researched, poorly administered, and poorly funded. Doesn't mean that we should throw that answer out the window.

Now these countries are such sh*tholes that people are willing to risk the lives of themselves and their families to live in a tent under a bridge in Europe.

Except that there are many immigrants coming from countries that haven't been touched by Western nations, and have fallen apart due to the inherent corruption of their cultures, the civil wars, the religious wars, etc. But even with those countries affected by Western countries, Ireland wasn't directly involved.

And we have the audacity to tell them to go elsewhere.

Yes we do. Or rather I do. Not all of them, mind. Those that meet the practical immigration requirements, by having education and skills we need are fully welcome to come settle in the west, living under western culture, learning the host country's language and not rocking the boat.

Compassion is all very well and good, but I've noticed that people in the west are often more compassionate about foreigners than they are about our own people. Settle the problems within our own society first, and then consider how to help those outside.

I find the attitude to be short-sighted. Most western countries while recovering from the economic crash are still a fair bit away from pre-crash stability. Fact is, our economic models are rather fragile these days. The EU itself is under scrutiny due to Brexit, and other issues. Social problems with our own cultures are on the rise. The Welfare state system is a massive drain with few practical ideas of how to resolve it. We are seeing the rise of automation in workplaces with the knowledge that sooner or later it will impact on many persons employment. etc etc. And best of all, we already have a decent population of immigrants from recent years, and little idea of how to settle them effectively. But, hey, lets bring more in before we figure out how to solve the problems with the ones we already have. There really are so many things wrong, or going bad at the moment.

But, we should allow in people who don't know the language (and often don't learn it), don't have employable skills for Europe, barely any education, and provide incredibly expensive government led support for them although that support still isn't enough. And won't ever be. Still, damn expensive, but we can find plenty of excuses for that.

Compassion? Hmm... I still believe keeping them out until we fix our own problems is probably far more compassionate in the long run. Provide camps in other neighboring countries, provide education and other services to those in need, but ultimately prepare them to return to their original country with the aim of improving it.... or giving them the skills/education (while in the camps) to gain a visa to another country.

I'm not against immigration or allowing refugees into Europe. I'd just like us to fix our own existing problems first, and be in a real position to help. Right now, we're just bringing them in and settling them up in a broken system.

eeguy wrote: »

There is so much wrong with your "I'm alright jack" argument I'm not even going to bother.
Sort out our own problems first. Ffs, our problems have and will never be solved. There will always be new problems and new inequality. . I can't believe you wasted your life writing that short-sighted bigoted whataboutery.

Rather simplistic and limited objection. But TBH I can't say I'm too surprised.

We'll always have new problems. Of course, we will... Obviously. However, we can settle the major problems facing Europe before increasing the strain. Settle the question of the EU. Settle our economies and increase the wealth of Europe once more. Reduce the social & political instability currently sweeping Europe. Decide on a realistic and effective system to settle our existing immigrant population.

As for bigoted... It's obvious anyone that doesn't agree with your selfless attitude is a bigot... You might want to consider what the word really means.