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Is Islam right for Ireland?

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  • #182
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    bubblypop wrote: »
    is it?
    why should they want to go to a specifically muslim country?

    Similar customs, same religion, some would have the same languages, similar lifestyle, similar culture.

    Same reasons a lot of Irish people head to Canada, America and Australia.


  • #183
    _CreeD_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    degrading women and gay people all across Europe

    You mean just like Christian organised religions?

    People are constantly looking for excuses to group up and be assholes, religion is just one of them.


  • #184
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    eeguy wrote: »
    Look at the map.

    The US and UK has made sh*t of many of the Muslim countries over the last decade.
    If you're a Muslim living anywhere from Algeria to Afghanistan and fleeing on foot, your options are the Sahara desert, the deserts of northern Saudi Arabia, the mountains of Pakistan, the steppe of China and Kazakstan, or Europe.

    Where would you go?

    Thats some serious milage on foot. And their only option in the Muslim world are deserts, but they can make it across oceans to Europe?? Thats a serious fairytale.


  • #185
    p1akuw47h5r3it
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    _CreeD_ wrote: »
    You mean just like Christian organised religions?

    People are constantly looking for excuses to group up and be assholes, religion is just one of them.

    Ye great. We don't like them either. The point is Islam is a minority religion in Europe.


  • #186
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,826 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    eeguy wrote: »
    Look at the map.

    The US and UK has made sh*t of many of the Muslim countries over the last decade.
    If you're a Muslim living anywhere from Algeria to Afghanistan and fleeing on foot, your options are the Sahara desert, the deserts of northern Saudi Arabia, the mountains of Pakistan, the steppe of China and Kazakstan, or Europe.

    Where would you go?
    Dubai

    EVENFLOW



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  • #187
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Similar customs, same religion, some would have the same languages, similar lifestyle, similar culture.

    Same reasons a lot of Irish people head to Canada, America and Australia.

    I dont believe thats true, there are many different customs, languages and cultures in the over 50 different muslim countries of the world.


  • #188
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    We should all be terrified f that change is going to potentially undue all the hard won rights for minorities and women over the last number of years.

    And if that ever becomes a remote possibility I'll start to worry about it.


  • #189
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I dont believe thats true, there are many different customs, languages and cultures in the over 50 different muslim countries of the world.

    One of the reasons of refugees to come to Europe is and was having family or friends here who told them how great Europe is compared to the majority of muslim countries. Working legal/health system, basically no corruption and by working illegally as unskilled worker they earn more in a month than they would get at home for working at home legally as skilled worker in a year.


  • #190
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I dont believe thats true, there are many different customs, languages and cultures in the over 50 different muslim countries of the world.

    I'd imagine there are but not every one of the 50 countries is going to be alien to them. But i'd guarantee the customs, languages and cultures in the muslim countries are a lot closer to what they are used to than the customs, languages and cultures in Europe.


  • #191
    [Deleted User]
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    eeguy wrote: »
    Look at the map.

    The US and UK has made sh*t of many of the Muslim countries over the last decade.
    If you're a Muslim living anywhere from Algeria to Afghanistan and fleeing on foot, your options are the Sahara desert, the deserts of northern Saudi Arabia, the mountains of Pakistan, the steppe of China and Kazakstan, or Europe.

    Where would you go?

    Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, and even Thailand. I've been to all of these countries and they're all reasonably good countries with very strong Islamic communities. I'd skip Dubai since they're incredibly wealth conscious and pretty racist to anyone not from Dubai itself. They could also go to many of the countries in Africa (various Islamic presence), Asia (also various Islamic presence), or South America which might not be very prosperous but can provide a decent standard of living, especially if you have the skills/education to back you up.

    But if I wanted a fresh start in a place that would pay me just to be there. Definitely the west.


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  • #192
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Name a Muslim country where homosexuality is legal.

    All sexual orientations are legal in Bahrain, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_the_Middle_East


  • #193
    Summer In the City
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭Summer In the City


    thebull85 wrote: »
    You not going to respond to the question i asked you?

    The really dumb one about not letting any Muslims in to Ireland just in case? No, I'm not.


  • #194
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Shut down the debate with hyperbole, mistruth and deflection, why don't you? I'm surprised you didn't use the word islamophobia in your post too.
    If you don't know whether the OP is a troll or not, don't bring it up.
    youre proving my doubts over the usefulness of internet forums for proper discussions when its difficult to know if a person with a total of 8 posts might be trolling, or when a person is so blind they only see what they want to see


    did you not see my previous immediate comment about gang rape? its not exactly a popular subject to discuss with the risk of being labeled Islamophobic
    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    the vast majority of Muslims dont cause any problem, but there are groups of young men who see western society as a playground for them and view us as inferior.
    eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes


    Taharrush gamea- it's supposed to be some kind of mass sexual assualt/groping ritual, it might be considered as 'old testament' and rejected by most Muslims, Im not really sure, the right has clinged on to it for use in their Anti Muslim rhetoric , so its difficult to know how much of it is true,

    for the links below Ive avoided the dailymail and braitbart, but also huffpost because it seemed to go the total opposite direction with its reporting

    https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/31622/they-call-it-taharrush-gamea/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault_in_Egypt


  • #195
    thebull85
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    All sexual orientations are legal in Bahrain, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_the_Middle_East

    How good of them to allow people to express their sexuality.


  • #196
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    If some of ye were as handy with a turf spade as ye are blowing hysterical hot air we'd be the energy capital of the world.


  • #197
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    And if that ever becomes a remote possibility I'll start to worry about it.

    So you mean when it's too late. Fantastic. The kick the can down the road mentality.


  • #198
    TheManTheMyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭TheManTheMyth




    What's sad is that those kids aren't even radical Muslims. They're moderate at the most.


  • #199
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Do you even know what sharia law is? And are you really comparing it to canon law?

    I know full well what it is. I've studied the theology and philosophy of both islam and christianity.
    In many ways, especially in the west they are very similar. There are some big differences though. Each country has it's own council which issues guidance on sharia. The countries quite often disagree. That's why you'll see a huge difference between saudi and other muslim countries. Saudi are a very extreme version. Whereas in christianity the largest denomination is the catholic church so that means that there's more homogeneity.

    In the west when it comes to the integration of sharia with civil law it's treated that same as christianity.

    Now as I said, as a secularist I don't want to see religious organisations having too much legal power but I'm not opposed to the basics.


  • #200
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    jmayo wrote: »
    Eh wasn't Humprhys the guy that had the video of the Halawa's up on stage at a muslim brotherhood protest ?
    The video that disappeared elsewhere and proved embarrassing because it was the truth about what they were up to.

    I honestly have no idea what you're referring to.


  • #201
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    So instead of introducing 60 year old Bishop John McQuaid hyperbole into the discussion, try staying on topic.

    Ironic.

    There’s morons on here banging on about Sharia Law in Ireland and to dodge dealing with the crimes of Christianity you claim I’m endulging in hyperbole.

    Let’s arrest those RC officials who helped paedo priests avoid detection. Let’s end tax breaks for all religions.

    Then we’ll deal with the big, bad muzza threat. :rolleyes:


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  • #202
    Scotty #
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    I was going to get involved in this debate but then I saw the comment below and thought what's the point? When you're dealing with this kind of ignorance you're really just pissing against the wind.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Thats some serious milage on foot [...] but they can make it across oceans to Europe?? Thats a serious fairytale.

    Weldoninhio, do you not remember the people in their thousands traveling from war torn Syria through Turkey, Greece, up to Hungary, then through Austria and into Germany and beyond in recent years?? THEY WALKED IT!! What "oceans" are you talking about??


  • #203
    eeguy
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Thats some serious milage on foot. And their only option in the Muslim world are deserts, but they can make it across oceans to Europe?? Thats a serious fairytale.

    Yes and many die trying.

    There's some serious lack of compassion in this country. The west has continually f*cked up Muslim countries for the last 200 years, and especially in the last 30. From Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, the Arab Spring, Libya, Syria and many more occassions when the West felt it was in their interest to intervene with bombs and bullets.

    Now these countries are such sh*tholes that people are willing to risk the lives of themselves and their families to live in a tent under a bridge in Europe.

    And we have the audacity to tell them to go elsewhere.


  • #204
    garbo speaks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    Islam is simply not compatible with western values.


  • #205
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why is it Europe's responsibility to fund anything of the sort?

    Some people might argue that it's as human beings we have an ethical obligation to do what we can. Except for egoism I can't think of an ethical framework that would say we don't.
    It doesn't matter what anyone else doesn't do, what matters is what we do.

    In fact I'd like to see any ethical argument that says it's wrong to help people.


  • #206
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Way to avoid condemning the violence and women hating attitude of Christianity.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not a spokesperson for the church.


  • #207
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    garbo speaks wrote: »
    Islam is simply not compatible with western values.

    the country I live in proves otherwise


  • #208
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why? You might as well link to some randomer on here.

    Yeah a "randomer" who has done his research and is spot on on this topic.


  • #209
    Pepefrogok
    Site Banned Posts: 406 ✭✭Pepefrogok


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    We should all be terrified f that change is going to potentially undue all the hard won rights for minorities and women over the last number of years.

    Certain "progressives" don't really care about that, it's a game to them and they just want to win and see the rights nose rubbed in diversity, that's why tony Blair and his Labour party opened the gates.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

    The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

    He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".


  • #210
    garbo speaks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Way to avoid condemning the violence and women hating attitude of Christianity.

    Christians don't keep their women as virtual prisoners in the home. Christians don't force their women to go out covered from head to toe in black, and in the company of a male. Christians don't have a form of law that stones, brutalizes and dismembers those who commit the 'crimes' of adultery and homosexuality. Christians are not taught to believe that those who do not believe in God are apostates and should be killed. Christians are not forced to live in medieval squalor.

    To compare Christianity to Islam is nonsensical.


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  • #211
    Summer In the City
    Closed Accounts Posts: 249 ✭✭Summer In the City


    garbo speaks wrote: »
    Christians don't keep their women as virtual prisoners in the home. Christians don't force their women to go out covered from head to toe in black, and in the company of a male. Christians don't have a form of law that stones, brutalizes and dismembers those who commit the 'crimes' of adultery and homosexuality. Christians are not taught to believe that those who do not believe in God are apostates and should be killed. Christians are not forced to live in medieval squalor.

    To compare Christianity to Islam is nonsensical.

    None of that happens where I live.

    You seem to think all Muslims are from Saudi. They're not.


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