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Is Islam right for Ireland?

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  • #152
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Exactly, we dont have Tigers roaming free in Ireland.

    They're in the zoo. When someone starts throwing tigers at me I'll worry about them. Likewise, if someone tries to subject people to Sharia law against their will in Ireland I'll worry about it.


  • #153
    Gehad_JoyRider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Gehad_JoyRider


    Is any religion right for a country?
    All it seem's to do, is cause more trouble than its worth? IMO


  • #154
    Zebra3
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    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    It’s funny how so many won’t have a problem with you branding that religion and it’s followers on the back of some heinous deeds done by its members. But if you start to do the same with Islam...

    Way to avoid condemning the violence and women hating attitude of Christianity.


  • #155
    Zebra3
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    So two wrongs make a right?

    Nobody said it did, so why ask such a stupid question? :confused:


  • #156
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Is there anyone on this thread arguing that Sharia law would be a good thing? Nobody is advocating for it. Why do you keep arguing it's negative points?



    Nobody is arguing for unsustainable immigration. The difference is over what people deem sustainable.

    Well obviously, Captain :P . I believe post number 56 sums up quite well what is a sustainable Muslim population for a country to have i.e under 2% before real problems start to occur. Ireland is expected to hit 5 per cent within the next 25 years.


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  • #157
    thebull85
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    They're in the zoo. When someone starts throwing tigers at me I'll worry about them. Likewise, if someone tries to subject people to Sharia law against their will in Ireland I'll worry about it.

    Ok so, we will wait till it becomes a problem before we do anything about it. Sounds very familiar that.


  • #158
    weldoninhio
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    And it's an attitude that shouldn't be accepted. That's why we have legal protections against discrimination.



    Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are all examples of this country successfully defying religious interference and tradition. Why do you think we'll suddenly stop doing that because of some Muslims moving to the country?

    The average muslim family in the UK is having more kids than the average non-muslim family. So while there may be laws now, what happens when Muslims have a majority and can vote out these progressive laws we have enacted?? It may not happen tomorrow, but would you like your grandchildren, great grandchildren growing up in the European version of Basra or Mosul??


  • #159
    weldoninhio
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Would this democracy be better than our current democracy?

    Depends, are you a fan of the democracy currently in the ME??


  • #160
    thebull85
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The average muslim family in the UK is having more kids than the average non-muslim family. So while there may be laws now, what happens when Muslims have a majority and can vote out these progressive laws we have enacted?? It may not happen tomorrow, but would you like your grandchildren, great grandchildren growing up in the European version of Basra or Mosul??


    He most likely wont care because its not going affect him. That seems to be the general consensus around here.


  • #161
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The average muslim family in the UK is having more kids than the average non-muslim family. So while there may be laws now, what happens when Muslims have a majority and can vote out these progressive laws we have enacted?? It may not happen tomorrow, but would you like your grandchildren, great grandchildren growing up in the European version of Basra or Mosul??

    I currently live in a muslim country.
    they have perfectly reasonable laws, like home.


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  • #162
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Well obviously, Captain :P . I believe post number 56 sums up quite well what is a sustainable Muslim population for a country to have i.e under 2% before real problems start to occur. Ireland is expected to hit 5 per cent within the next 25 years.

    Post 56 is just someones opinion, someone clearly terrified of any change at all.
    thebull85 wrote: »
    Ok so, we will wait till it becomes a problem before we do anything about it. Sounds very familiar that.

    Build yourself a bunker if you'd feel safer.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The average muslim family in the UK is having more kids than the average non-muslim family. So while there may be laws now, what happens when Muslims have a majority and can vote out these progressive laws we have enacted?? It may not happen tomorrow, but would you like your grandchildren, great grandchildren growing up in the European version of Basra or Mosul??

    What makes you think their grandchildren will be extreme Muslims?


  • #163
    bladespin
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    Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »
    Is any religion right for a country?
    All it seem's to do, is cause more trouble than its worth? IMO

    Nail on the head there.

    To be clear, most of the sensational headlines are made by extremeist loonies (they have them, so do we), who have as much to do with 'normal' islam as they do with Jehovah witnesses.
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  • #164
    Harika
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The average muslim family in the UK is having more kids than the average non-muslim family. So while there may be laws now, what happens when Muslims have a majority and can vote out these progressive laws we have enacted?? It may not happen tomorrow, but would you like your grandchildren, great grandchildren growing up in the European version of Basra or Mosul??

    That has been shown to not happening, as when Muslims grow up in Europe, they tend to take the liberalism on board. See the generations of Turkish people in Germany. Also with higher education they are getting less children https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/29/muslim-population-in-europe-could-more-than-double
    So until 2050 the population will double to a whooping 20%, thats 32 years down the road and a lot will happen until then.


  • #165
    weldoninhio
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Our “Christian heritage”?

    Priests raping kids? Sounds like something that would happen in Derby, Telford, Newcastle, Luton minus the priests.

    Women locked up in slave labour camps (many of them rape victims) for having a child outside marriage? What happens to Muslim women that are raped?? Stoned, and not the nice mellow way.

    A total disregard for democracy like under the unspoken McQuaid dictatorship?

    The above historical claims sound eerily familiar in the context of a modern day religion.


  • #166
    Summer In the City
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    I currently live in a muslim country.
    they have perfectly reasonable laws, like home.

    This is too much for some of these lads to fathom. I'd love for them to actually visit one of these countries, meet people and then justify their standpoint.


  • #167
    thebull85
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    Summer In the City wrote: »
    This is too much for some of these lads to fathom. I'd love for them to actually visit one of these countries, meet people and then justify their standpoint.

    You not going to respond to the question i asked you?


  • #168
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Muslims in Dubai are totally different to ones in Islamabad for example, in general, from being to the 2 places.

    Comparing them is like comparing Apples and oranges.

    Look at what even New Zealand did with buying houses. Even they had enough.

    Bringing them in slowly is way to go. The current system across Europe is already showing signs that its very bad, and not getting better soon.

    EVENFLOW



  • #169
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Post 56 is just someones opinion, someone clearly terrified of any change at all.



    Build yourself a bunker if you'd feel safer.



    What makes you think their grandchildren will be extreme Muslims?

    Aren't we told currently that most of these "lone wolves" terrorists are 2nd and 3rd generation muslims??

    Wasn't "He wasn't a refugee, he was a 2nd/3rd generation British/French/German citizen" the rallying call after Berlin, Bataclan, Nice etc??

    But i'm sure Ireland will get all the "nice" muslims, only doctors and engineers coming over here. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #170
    up for anything
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    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    personally i was very pro migrant about a year (maybe a year and a half) ago but have completely 180'd on the topic

    Yeah right! :rolleyes:


  • #171
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    thebull85 wrote: »
    No they dont have exclusive rights on it, but look at the rise of sex attacks and terrorism since Germany opened wide their doors. Its been a huge rise!

    Again ill say if we can avoid this we should.

    Do you not agree?

    Have they? This report says otherwise.
    https://www.thelocal.de/20170427/anything-but-dramatic-what-the-new-german-crime-report-really-means
    he frequency rate of crimes in actually sank by about 0.5 percent, down from 7,797 crimes per 100,000 residents in 2015, to 7,755 crimes per 100,000 people in 2016. And when excluding crimes that related to immigration policy violations - such as illegal stay or entry - the overall number of crimes dropped by 0.7 percent.

    Looking back over the years, the frequency rate has generally hovered between 7,500 and 8,000 crimes per 100,000, reaching a high of 8,337 per 100,000 residents in 1993.

    “It is the same each year: the Interior Ministry publishes the police statistics and the media reports it as if it were a report on actual criminality,” Singelnstein said.
    The survey further showed that ethnic German teens were twice as likely to report an attack on them if it had been carried out by someone with a migrant background than if it had been carried out by a German.

    “It’s quite plausible that if you perceive someone to be a stranger, you might be more likely to report them,” Drenkhahn said.

    Singelnstein further explained that “foreign-looking people are subject to more stringent social controls”.

    “Also police are more sensitive to controlling these groups,” he added.

    “Males under 30 have higher prevalence in general of being found in these statistics as suspects all over the Western world, and if you have a specific subgroup where a large proportion fits these criteria, then you will have an elevated proportion of this subgroup in the statistics,” explains Drenkhahn.

    So not only are crimes down, Muslims are being profiled and are more likely to be reported.


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  • #172
    weldoninhio
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    I currently live in a muslim country.
    they have perfectly reasonable laws, like home.

    Strange how all these muslim "refugees" aren't going to all these perfectly reasonable muslim countries, rather than flooding Europe.


  • #173
    10000maniacs
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Nobody said it did, so why ask such a stupid question? :confused:
    So instead of introducing 60 year old Bishop John McQuaid hyperbole into the discussion, try staying on topic.


  • #174
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Post 56 is just someones opinion, someone clearly terrified of any change at all.



    Build yourself a bunker if you'd feel safer.



    What makes you think their grandchildren will be extreme Muslims?

    We should all be terrified f that change is going to potentially undue all the hard won rights for minorities and women over the last number of years.


  • #175
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Strange how all these muslim "refugees" aren't going to all these perfectly reasonable muslim countries, rather than flooding Europe.

    They were and still are predominately, until in 2015 European countries stopped paying funding those refugee camps. Without food or future they decided to come to Europe.


  • #176
    The_Kew_Tour
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Strange how all these muslim "refugees" aren't going to all these perfectly reasonable muslim countries, rather than flooding Europe.

    You would wonder why they aint going to Dubai alight.

    EVENFLOW



  • #177
    weldoninhio
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    Harika wrote: »
    They were and still are predominately, until in 2015 European countries stopped paying funding those refugee camps. Without food or future they decided to come to Europe.

    Isn't Europe terrible for not paying for the rest of the world's bills. Shame on us.


  • #178
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Harika wrote: »
    They were and still are predominately, until in 2015 European countries stopped paying funding those refugee camps. Without food or future they decided to come to Europe.

    Why is it Europe's responsibility to fund anything of the sort?


  • #179
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Strange how all these muslim "refugees" aren't going to all these perfectly reasonable muslim countries, rather than flooding Europe.

    is it?
    why should they want to go to a specifically muslim country?


  • #180
    eeguy
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Strange how all these muslim "refugees" aren't going to all these perfectly reasonable muslim countries, rather than flooding Europe.

    Look at the map.

    The US and UK has made sh*t of many of the Muslim countries over the last decade.
    If you're a Muslim living anywhere from Algeria to Afghanistan and fleeing on foot, your options are the Sahara desert, the deserts of northern Saudi Arabia, the mountains of Pakistan, the steppe of China and Kazakstan, or Europe.

    Where would you go?


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  • #181
    Harika
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why is it Europe's responsibility to fund anything of the sort?

    It is not, just then be aware of the effects from that.


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