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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #6002
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    I'm having an absolute gem of a time schooling two pro-lifers on a Facebook status, goes on to shame abortion - openly uses contraceptives.....

    Abortion happens because someone doesn't want to be pregnant.
    Contraception is used because someone doesn't want to be pregnant.

    Logic is absolutely LOST on these two.

    More than happy to PM a link to show what kind of people there are out there that are so ridiculously uninformed and so poorly educated on this sensitive matter.


  • #6003
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Misael Echoing Horse wrote: »
    Carefully worded to not be technically false but you were fairly clearly pro-life two months ago judging by your posts on the first thread.

    Perhaps while you're up on that fence (which you're definitely not lying about being on) you can call people disingenuous and accuse them of putting up a facade again.

    Like bubblypop, I had given the poster the benefit of the doubt... that'll teach me to do background checks beforehand!


  • #6004
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Erica is posting here regularly. She has given long and detailed posts on her stance, and her history. The other poster has contributed absolutely nothing except the random "Save the 8th" comments.

    Wouldn't be to worried about Anne Frank, he/she is just dropping in from giving out about Muslims, feminists and gays in other threads.

    Always struck me as a strange name to be using given what the real Anne Frank went through, which at the time was legal based on the law of the land.


  • #6005
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    kylith wrote: »
    Please excuse if asked/ answered already, i’ve fallen a bit behind here.

    We have a poster on here who is married, has children, and has a 5% chance of death and a 20% chance of serious impact to health if she gets pregnant. Should she not have sex with her husband until she finishes menopause, which could be 10-15 years?

    Excuse me if asked/answered already but are you advocating abortion as a form of contraception???


  • #6006
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Excuse me if asked/answered already but are you advocating abortion as a form of contraception???

    Abortion is not a form of contraception.

    Do you think it is? If so, my next post to you is going to be very, very educational.


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  • #6007
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Excuse me if asked/answered already but are you advocating abortion as a form of contraception???

    abortion cannot be used as contraception seeing as contraception prevents pregnancy.


  • #6008
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Abortion is not a form of contraception.

    Do you think it is? If so, my next post to you is going to be very, very educational.

    Some people seem to think so.


  • #6009
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Some people seem to think so.

    Which people and what makes you think so?


  • #6010
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Some people seem to think so.

    Only the dimwits in Iona-Youth Defence-Cora Sherlock appreciation Society actually think or are trying to get others to believe that anyone is advocating termination as a form of contraception.


  • #6011
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Some people seem to think so.

    Literally no one thinks that.


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  • #6012
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    Billy86 wrote: »
    But with 20% of potential new births being aborted as the no side want us to believe, there will be considerably less strain that with those 20% being born. This is undeniable, and is entirely the argument of the no side.

    Zappone's gonna make up the numbers by giving out baby boxes.


  • #6013
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    * as a form of birth control, so


  • #6014
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Some people seem to think so.

    Those people would be wrong, are you one of those people?


  • #6015
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pleas advice wrote: »
    * as a form of birth control, so

    the practice of preventing unwanted pregnancies?
    obviously not!


  • #6016
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    pleas advice wrote: »
    * as a form of birth control, so

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control

    Interesting, I don't see abortion as a form of birth control in here, so...


  • #6017
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    This issue is not high on people's agenda really. I reckon most people acknowledge that abortion pills are happening here every day of the week. And that will not change at all.

    So the issue then is, FFA. Compassion is required really. Walk in those parents shoes.


  • #6018
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    I have no words.

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  • #6019
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Excuse me if asked/answered already but are you advocating abortion as a form of contraception???

    You answer the question I’ve asked first, please.


  • #6020
    Neddyusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    AtomicHorror wrote: »

    You'll get respect so long as you show willingness to move from dogmatic positions to factual ones!

    So you hold no respect for humans who hold differing opinions to you...

    The poster respectfully gave her opinions - you don't respect them and sneeringly belittle her.

    Interestingly Repeal campaigners repeatedly play the man rather the ball when it comes to "debate".

    Speaks volumes.


  • #6021
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    I have no words.

    Indeed, next you'll be saying every sperm is sacred


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  • #6022
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    kylith wrote: »
    Please excuse if asked/ answered already, i’ve fallen a bit behind here.

    We have a poster on here who is married, has children, and has a 5% chance of death and a 20% chance of serious impact to health if she gets pregnant. Should she not have sex with her husband until she finishes menopause, which could be 10-15 years?
    Misael Echoing Horse wrote: »
    Which people and what makes you think so?

    Contraceptive pill, husband could have tubes tied.


  • #6023
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    What's your point exactly? You're agitating for repealing the 8th amendment on the basis of healthcare issues while simultaneously acknowledging that none of those concerns will be addressed by repealing the 8th amendment.

    Why don't Pro Choicers come straight out and say that they are in favour of abortion on demand. I get it, but running a campaign based on a healthcare issue because you think that this is more palpable to a wider audience is disingenuous. I think that Pro Lifers would be better served arguing the merits of abortion on demand instead of this tactic of taking the marginal case and use that as the broad argument when regardless of whether the woman was raped they are still in favour of abortion in which case you're giving an exceptional example to prove a rule that you don't actually want to defend. Taking the marginal case of the imaginary victim who has been raped or has a cancer and saying "this is all abortions" when know that this is simply not the case.

    Is there a script ye get for posting on here? Because your arguments especially the one above is very similar to thee glitz earlier posts, which have now been mainly reduced to pretty bad one liners


  • #6024
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    pleas advice wrote: »
    Indeed, next you'll be saying every sperm is sacred

    You can honestly see the point I'm trying to make though, right?

    More than happy to use contraceptives with the intent of not being pregnant, but have a problem seeking an abortion with the intent of no longer being pregnant... What?


  • #6025
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Contraceptive pill, husband could have tubes tied.
    thee glitz wrote: »
    Zappone's gonna make up the numbers by giving out baby boxes.
    pleas advice wrote: »
    * as a form of birth control, so

    Are ye on some kind of pro-life piss up? These are nonsensical posts, literally nothing to do with the posts they're allegedly replying to. Is that what ye're reduced to?


  • #6026
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    You can honestly see the point I'm trying to make though, right?

    More than happy to use contraceptives with the intent of not being pregnant, but have a problem seeking an abortion with the intent of no longer being pregnant... What?

    as we have been told quite recently, abortion isn't contraception.


  • #6027
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Do pro life really care about "born" babies once they have arrived? Just wondered about that.

    They seem to be very focused on embryos and foetuses with moving fingers and all the rest of it. But once born, all is forgotten.

    And then the parents have a battle for that kid's care for the rest of their lives. Where is pro life support there I often wonder?


  • #6028
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    pleas advice wrote: »
    as we have been told quite recently, abortion isn't contraception.

    Not quite recently, since it was first mentioned.

    And repeatedly since then.


  • #6029
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Contraceptive pill, husband could have tubes tied.

    a friend of mine was married to a man that had a vasectomy, both of them had grown up children from previous relationships.
    she got pregnant.
    With twins.
    que much rows etc etc turned out he still fathered the children.

    no contraceptive is 100% affective.


  • #6030
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Contraceptive pill, husband could have tubes tied.

    Contraception, including sterilisation, is not 100% effective. That’s if you can find a doctor who will do it as it is notoriously difficult to get sterilised in this country.

    So, should that woman not have sex with her husband? Yes or no?

    And to answer your question: as you have been told abortion cannot be used as contraception as conception has already occurred. However I have no problems with women using abortion to not have babies that, for their own reasons, they do not want to have.


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  • #6031
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Not quite recently, since it was first mentioned.

    And repeatedly since then.

    so you can see the difference between preventing a pregnancy, and ending one?


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