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60,000 child porn images no jail

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  • #92
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Neyite wrote: »
    That's why I think viewing child sex abuse images should be regarded as an ongoing crime on the person and have a mandatory sentence imposed for possession of it.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not standing up for the guy. I agree with what you have said above. I do think that viewing child sex abuse images should be regarded as an ongoing crime on the person and have a mandatory sentence imposed for possession of it. 100%.

    The point I am making is that while it is very very bad and should be viewed as a serious crime, viewing the pictures isn't the equivalent of actually abusing the kids.


  • #93
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    They took a look immediately. The lab computers go to has a massive backlog however. I'd say let the dirty bugger sweat but it does look like this might have facilitated him retiring.

    hmm.. then i wonder did he infact just go 'rehab' after he was caught, knowing he would be able to use it as a method of pleaing for leniency. I assume his solictor/himself/his community would know all the ins an outs of how those things work..


  • #94
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Disgusting, abhorrent, appalling...

    This guy should be jailed for the rest of his natural life yet he gets three years suspended sentence.

    And I can guarantee there wont be any protests on O'Connell st this weekend demonstrating the public's outrage.


  • #95
    yourdeadwright
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    Iv said it a million times, The Garda in this country get a rough time form the public but its the Judges who are a disgrace, Once again the Garda catch a scumbag and the Judges let him away scot free,
    How do they have no one to answer to its 2018 and there still getting away with this ****, Stuff like this should be brought up in the Dail it makes a mockery of our whole country ,
    Id go to jail for not paying bin charges but because this scumbag is from money he can do what he likes ,makes you sick ,


  • #96
    yourdeadwright
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    If ever we needed people to be out marching its for things like this ,Where are all the #ibelieverher crowd when the country really needs them


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  • #97
    Keyzer
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The point I am making is that while it is very very bad and should be viewed as a serious crime, viewing the pictures isn't the equivalent of actually abusing the kids.

    You're 100% right.

    Viewing them is worse than actually abusing the kids in question. I assume he paid for this disgusting filth so not only is he looking a child porn, he's paying someone else to have sex with kids to feed his depraved desires.


  • #98
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    If ever we needed people to be out marching its for things like this ,Where are all the #ibelieverher crowd when the country really needs them

    Exactly...


  • #99
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    manonboard wrote: »
    I'm very undecided how to deal with this issue.
    On one hand, I have been conditioned to see these people with disgust.

    On the other hand, I've been educated to understand that it's largely not a choice to feel these things, but that these people are hardwired this way. Just like being straight, gay, etc.
    They can choose to not act on those impulses.. mostly.
    However a life of constantly repression something as strong as the sexual urge..

    I think its a horrible fate to have to deal with that curse in oneself. I cannot imagine having to suppress my sexual urges (hetrosexual cis man) throughout my life. It's a huge part of life, relationships, even friendships, attractions, media, consumerism, etc.

    It would be fantastic to be able to cure them or rewire them to remove the dangerous conditioning.

    I acknowledge that he has been in rehab for it since 2013. So i assume he is trying to fight his addiction.

    Lock them up for life (life being actual life).

    Or de-ball them.


  • #100
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Its a strange one alright.
    Judge and gardai said it was at the lower end of the scale.
    But he did pay for them which I think should carry an automatic jail sentence.
    My gut says this guy should have got a few years in jail.


  • #101
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    wexie wrote: »
    surely we've a few spare Islands kicking about somewhere?

    NO NO NO! Not the islands! lol.. I did think that once but different now i am on one.. maybe big old ships far out at sea? Yep, that'd do it, The old prison hulks like Dickens described.. But I think they tried that at Cork? Cobh?

    https://www.spikeislandcork.ie/


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  • #102
    yourdeadwright
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    I just don't understand it , as I said you have the #ibeleieve her crowd when a jury hear's evidence and the guys are found not guilty, This guy pleads guilty and let go ahead and live his life and no one give a **** .,
    Honestly our country is gone to the dogs, I'm convinced half the #ibelieverher crowd done it for Instagram likes on a topic in the public eye, They couldn't give a flying fu*k about the correct decision being made in our courts ,


  • #103
    Zebra3
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    If ever we needed people to be out marching its for things like this ,Where are all the #ibelieverher crowd when the country really needs them

    That was last week's social media attention seeking nonsense.


  • #104
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Judge Martin Nolan is a sick man. He is obviously not fit for the job.


  • #105
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

    Correct, Nolan was the judge on that case. iirc he is a former Garda but despite that he seems to be very soft on any kind of sexual offences-
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/11/18/who-is-judge-nolan-jailing/
    Readers may be familiar with the recent decision of Judge Martin Nolan not to impose a custodial sentence on former civil servant Patrick Corcoran, 53, after he was caught with over 7,000 images and 21 videos of child pornography.

    In October 2012 Judge Nolan allowed 29 year old Graham Griffiths, who committed a violent sex attack on a 17-year-old, to walk free from court, suspending his four year sentence in full on condition he pay his victim 15,000 Euros. Griffiths had told gardaí he felt he was ‘under some magnetic force’ and ‘it must have been the hormones’ that caused him to attack.

    In December 2012 Judge Nolan fully suspended a three year sentence given to David Sharpe, a father of one, who went to a shop looking for help to transfer child pornography from one phone to another has avoided a jail term. The screensaver on his phone had an image of a child naked from the waist down as the background wallpaper. 44 images were recovered, 18 of which depicted children aged between eight and 14 years old engaged in penetrative sex, nine which showed children engaged in non-penetrative sexual activity and 17 which showed children in sexual poses. Judge Nolan said he was satisfied a prison term was not justified before he sentenced Sharpe to three years which he suspended in full on strict conditions including that he remain under probation supervision for 18 months. He accepted that Sharpe had not distributed, purchased nor shared the images and had therefore not supported the child pornographic industry.

    In July 2012 Judge Nolan again refused to impose a custodial sentence on a convicted sex offender who viewed animated child porn – graphic depictions of sexual activity with speech bubbles that left no doubt they were of children. Judge Martin Nolan said if the material had involved real children or if O’Neill had paid for it, he would be imposing a “reasonably severe” sentence. He added: “This material, no matter how odious, did not harm or exploit children.”
    Ffs. What's going on ??


  • #106
    Shurimgreat
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    In countries like Spain, they suspend any sentence which is under 2 years.
    But suspending a sentence of 3 years as we do in this country makes no sense. 3 years reflects a pretty serious crime and the perpetrator should do one year in jail at least.
    I agree our country has gone to the dogs. Hopefully the reforms Shane Ross wants with the appointment of judges also leads to the tightening up of sentencing. Far too many lenient judges in the courts, many of them political appointees who may not be the best qualified for the job.


  • #107
    manonboard
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Its a strange one alright.
    Judge and gardai said it was at the lower end of the scale.
    But he did pay for them which I think should carry an automatic jail sentence.
    My gut says this guy should have got a few years in jail.

    hmmm. I was just thinking. I wonder if the person gave them lots of information and help in maybe cracking or finding other pedophile community rings. Perhaps there was help that could not be mentioned in court but that was considered in terms of sentencing.


  • #108
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    manonboard wrote: »
    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Its a strange one alright.
    Judge and gardai said it was at the lower end of the scale.
    But he did pay for them which I think should carry an automatic jail sentence.
    My gut says this guy should have got a few years in jail.

    hmmm. I was just thinking. I wonder if the person gave them lots of information and help in maybe cracking or finding other pedophile community rings. Perhaps there was help that could not be mentioned in court but that was considered in terms of sentencing.
    Doubt it. Those filthy paedos all stick together.


  • #109
    Church on Tuesday
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    manonboard wrote: »
    I'm very undecided how to deal with this issue.
    On one hand, I have been conditioned to see these people with disgust.

    On the other hand, I've been educated to understand that it's largely not a choice to feel these things, but that these people are hardwired this way. Just like being straight, gay, etc.
    They can choose to not act on those impulses.. mostly.
    However a life of constantly repression something as strong as the sexual urge..

    I think its a horrible fate to have to deal with that curse in oneself. I cannot imagine having to suppress my sexual urges (hetrosexual cis man) throughout my life. It's a huge part of life, relationships, even friendships, attractions, media, consumerism, etc.

    It would be fantastic to be able to cure them or rewire them to remove the dangerous conditioning.

    I acknowledge that he has been in rehab for it since 2013. So i assume he is trying to fight his addiction.


    Fair point. I'm sure there are some pedophiles that are ashamed of their urges.

    But that urge is dangerous and harmful to children. I don't think rehab can work for people like that, sadly.

    It's a different thing entirely to seeking treatment for drug or alcohol addiction.


  • #110
    Corruptedmorals
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    Absolutely appalling sentencing.

    Former doctor Larry Nassar got a 60 year sentence for possession of 40,000 images a few months ago. The guideline was around 25 years. He also got 175 years for actual abuse but it's separate to the possession sentence. We should at least have mandatory minimum of 5 years for crimes like this.


  • #111
    manonboard
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    Church on Tuesday wrote: »
    Fair point. I'm sure there are some pedophiles that are ashamed of their urges.

    But that urge is dangerous and harmful to children. I don't think rehab can work for people like that, sadly.

    It's a different thing entirely to seeking treatment for drug or alcohol addiction.

    Yeah i agree, Rehab would be very different. One is not born a drug addict etc, but from what i've learned on the topic of paedophilia, (of which isnt much). It's a thing people find in themselves 'naturally', eg: its like a mal wired sexual orientation, and as such, about as useful as Gay curing or Straight Curing.

    It's a terrible affliction. I find it odd in our society, on one had we say they cannot be cured..but then on the other hand, we hold them in vilification for something we say they couldn't stop.
    I bet its the exact same logic that was used to persecute homosexuals when it was classified as a criminal mentality.

    Not acting on urges though, i think rehab can indeed help with that. That is where our best chance to militate the danger to our children must come from.


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  • #112
    RandomName2
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    Corruptedmorals wrote: »
    Absolutely appalling sentencing.

    Former doctor Larry Nassar got a 60 year sentence for possession of 40,000 images a few months ago. The guideline was around 25 years. He also got 175 years for actual abuse but it's separate to the possession sentence. We should at least have mandatory minimum of 5 years for crimes like this.


    Did he produce it? If so he should be in jail for a very long time.

    Even 'just' paying for it should be treated very seriously as that funding is instrumental to the perpetuating of the crime. Distributing it would also be a separate issue.

    If none of those factors are present here that makes this very different. While the sheer volume of images in question here is huge, the aspects I mentioned above are really key for assessing the gravity of the crime.


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
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    BattleCorp wrote: »

    The point I am making is that while it is very very bad and should be viewed as a serious crime, viewing the pictures isn't the equivalent of actually abusing the kids.


    The children are still being abused.

    If you are getting your jollys from abused kids you need a bullet in the head nevermind a custodial sentence.


  • #114
    RandomName2
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    Edz87 wrote: »
    The children are still being abused.

    If you are getting your jollys from abused kids you need a bullet in the head nevermind a custodial sentence.

    Watching someone being killed is the same as killing someone? If someone gets a kick out of watching videos about Auschwitz that makes them guilty of mass murder? It doesn't. They might be a sick individual, and maybe even a potential danger to society, but the harm done in a crime is pretty important in the measure of a crime.


  • #115
    [Deleted User]
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Watching someone being killed is the same as killing someone? If someone gets a kick out of watching videos about Auschwitz that makes them guilty of mass murder? It doesn't. They might be a sick individual, and maybe even a potential danger to society, but the harm done in a crime is pretty important in the measure of a crime.

    If you need to watch a child being abused to get sexual gratification for yourself then there is no hope for you, sorry.

    Its unjustifiable.


  • #116
    ceadaoin.
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Watching someone being killed is the same as killing someone? If someone gets a kick out of watching videos about Auschwitz that makes them guilty of mass murder? It doesn't. They might be a sick individual, and maybe even a potential danger to society, but the harm done in a crime is pretty important in the measure of a crime.

    Disgusting minimisation there. People paying to download the images are creating a demand for the material and therefore directly contributing to the rape of children.


  • #117
    donkeykong5
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    Did he even get fined. ? Remember when a sicko in cork was caught he got a fine. And it was all brushed under the carpet by his well known family.


  • #118
    Sardonicat
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Did he even get fined. ? Remember when a sicko in cork was caught he got a fine. And it was all brushed under the carpet by his well known family.

    Followed by a hasty re brand.


  • #119
    RandomName2
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Disgusting minimisation there.

    Your logic can't possibly withstand the strength of my moral indignation!
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    People paying to download the images are creating a demand for the material and therefore directly contributing to the rape of children.

    Try reading my post. It's very different if there's payment or distribution, particularly the former as it helps perpetuate the crime (to repeat myself).


  • #120
    Billy86
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    Corruptedmorals wrote: »
    Absolutely appalling sentencing.

    Former doctor Larry Nassar got a 60 year sentence for possession of 40,000 images a few months ago. The guideline was around 25 years. He also got 175 years for actual abuse but it's separate to the possession sentence. We should at least have mandatory minimum of 5 years for crimes like this.
    The two most insulting parts are the 'low risk of re-offending' and 'reputation already damaged enough' bits.

    Someone else already pointed out the 'reputation' part I think - by that logic nobody should ever go to jail. Sure we already know the culprit is a thief/rapist/murderer/etc, and isn't that punishment enough? I'm far more in favour of using prisons as a rehabilitation facility moreso than just for punishment, but this really is taking the utter p*ss.

    And in terms of 'low chance of re-offending'... in my job I come across people who have been caught looking at the likes of child pornography or using social media to make contact with underage girls. A surprising amount of the time it is a mix of mental health issues and a night under heavy influence, binge drinking in the house alone, and doing something incredibly stupid for God only knows what reason - putting 'hot teen girl' or whatever into pornhub and going downhill from there into a dark rabbit hole, or finding a busty woman on Snapchat who it turns out is 15/16... and still going while under the influence. Some of these people actually report themselves when they've sobered up and come to the senses. I'm not making any excuses for that and don't at all understand what they were thinking, but the immediate remorse is clearly obvious quite often.

    But that's not how you wind up with 60,000 photos of child porn on your computer. That's amassed over time and would take a pretty serious obsession to get that amount (try building a library of 60,000 MP3s, and those are stupidly easy to get as we all know... it would take a lot of time, effort and dedication, while child porn is something you would need to go delving deep to find). Sixty f'king thousand images. There is no 'moment of madness/weakness/whatever' there, that's an incredibly extensive library and (at best, borderline) obsessive from a man with no other history of relationships in his entire life.

    I'd go as far as to say the judge's lack of a sentence and his previous history in these cases should almost warrant an investigation or enquiry in itself.


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  • #121
    professore
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    This scumbag should lose his state pension for a start. Hard working taxpayers paying a scumbag like this a generous pension and will get a pittance themselves upon retirement. Disgusting.


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