Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

15-04-2018 10:02AM

why would any other club and their sponsors want Olding and Jackson?

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:02AM

Mira Rhythmic Steamroller wrote: »

why would any other club and their sponsors want Olding and Jackson?

Because they are not afraid of mob rule?

Former Former · 15-04-2018 10:03AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If Jackson is popping them over for Clermont I don't see why he cannot play for the national team again.

If rugby fans are ok with it, it will happen.

No

It

Won't

thomond2006 · 15-04-2018 10:06AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If rugby fans are ok with it, it will happen.

This just isn't true and who are "rugby fans"?

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:09AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

This just isn't true and who are "rugby fans"?

People who watch and follow rugby.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:10AM

Mira Rhythmic Steamroller wrote: »

why would any other club and their sponsors want Olding and Jackson?

Privately owned cubs will find it much easier to ignore concerns about their character, as they aren't splitting their focus with leadership of the game, they just have to worry about their own affairs.

Then you have the fact that the case will have received less publicity overseas. Then you have the added factor of different attitudes, particularly within rugby, and therefore different standards of behaviour in those countries.

I think ultimately they won't find it difficult to get deals. And it's a good way for them to start to rehabilitate their images. And I guess they should also ideally reach out and do some extra-curricular work with appropriate groups. If they keep their heads down and do that for a few years then I think they could even one day return, if they wanted to.

errlloyd · 15-04-2018 10:20AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Then you have the fact that the case will have received less publicity overseas. Then you have the added factor of different attitudes, particularly within rugby, and therefore different standards of behaviour in those countries.

Part of the motivation for the protests is also complainant solidarity. That's driven partly by them continuing to be in the same community as the complainant. So it'll be less of a problem abroad.

bilston · 15-04-2018 10:24AM

It must be pretty s*** for the parents of the two players seeing their kids having to lead their country to pursue their career. In reality even if they didnt continue as pro rugby players I'd imagine they'd probably have to leave.

15-04-2018 10:24AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

People who watch and follow rugby.

This place is full of rugby fans, plenty of whom don't think they should play again.

I'm conflicted on it but I do believe in an almost absolute right to privacy and I don't agree with holding people to account for private communications. I wouldn't however be lining up to shake their hands, not just yet anyway.

bilston · 15-04-2018 10:26AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If Jackson is popping them over for Clermont I don't see why he cannot play for the national team again.

If rugby fans are ok with it, it will happen.

I don't see it.

Although given what I read of Carbery's efforts yesterday maybe there will be a real hole at 10 in a couple of years time.

Irrespective as things stand neither will ever play for Ireland again.

bilston · 15-04-2018 10:28AM

If true those are great moves for them.

If he goes it will be interesting to see if Exeter are drawn with Leinster or Munster whether Olding would play at the RDS or Thomond

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This place is full of rugby fans, plenty of whom don't think they should play again.

I'm conflicted on it but I do believe in an almost absolute right to privacy and I don't agree with holding people to account for private communications. I wouldn't however be lining up to shake their hands, not just yet anyway.

Well I didn't hear much public objection to Willie John's plea for the lads coming from Ulster Supporters Club so I would think that they will be easily 'won over'.

I accept there is a percentage of the rugby fraternity elsewhere that don't want them to play, but I think given time that will diminish.

Fairly novel situation so anything can happen.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:29AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I didn't hear much public objection to Willie John's plea for the lads coming from Ulster Supporters Club so I would think that they will be easily 'won over'.

I accept there is a percentage of the rugby fraternity elsewhere that don't want them to play, but I think given time that will diminish.

Fairly novel situation so anything can happen.

It's more than a percentage

15-04-2018 10:30AM

Be interesting to see their form when the Lions comes around.

I wonder how bad a crisis at 10 we would need before the World Cup before serious conversations were held about Jackson. A year is a long enough time but he would have had to really turn around his image in that amount of time.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:31AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's more than a percentage

???
What does that mean? It's a percentage, 1% or 100%

durthacht · 15-04-2018 10:32AM

bilston wrote: »

If true those are great moves for them.

If he goes it will be interesting to see if Exeter are drawn with Leinster or Munster whether Olding would play at the RDS or Thomond

Why wouldn't they?

15-04-2018 10:34AM

Mira Rhythmic Steamroller wrote: »

why would any other club and their sponsors want Olding and Jackson?

Is this a real question?

Jackson is an international quality out half, still in the prime of his career, who has been found not guilty of a serious crime. The club he played for (correctly imo) stood him down for the duration of the trial and much before it. He contributed a single text message to a group chat which was made public and public pressure due this will have been a huge part of the reason why he is no longer an Ulster player. He is a player who would add serious ability to any team, coupled with the likelihood that he won't be considered for international selection, he could be a mainstay of an English or French side for the next 2/3 years.

Perhaps if I ask you the question "Why would any other club not want Paddy Jackson?" and ask you to lay out reasons you might see how they stack up to the 'positives' I've posted.

Benedict XVI · 15-04-2018 10:34AM

bilston wrote: »

It must be pretty s*** for the parents of the two players seeing their kids having to lead their country to pursue their career. In reality even if they didnt continue as pro rugby players I'd imagine they'd probably have to leave.

Oh boo f**cking hoo.

They are professional sports men, they are going to the UK and France.

They are likely to earn a lot of money.

Their families are far from the poverty line and can travel to see them play.

You would swear they weere construction labouroures during the property crash going to remote Australia or Canada the way you are going on.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:35AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

???
What does that mean? It's a percentage, 1% or 100%

You're right. However I read your use of the term as a suggestion that it's a minority, when it very much is not.

The decision has been widely, very widely, supported across the community.

awec · 15-04-2018 10:36AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well that swap deal rumour never seemed like it made any sense to me, so not surprised to see it doesn't seem to be amounting to anything

The Madigan rumour?

I am pretty sure that rumour started on here. It was nonsense. Madigan is earning megabucks for a player of his calibre in England.

mfceiling · 15-04-2018 10:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A year is a long enough time but he would have had to really turn around his image in that amount of time.

He won't have to turn his image around. He'll be out of sight and out of mind to those who don't follow rugby (which will be the majority of people looking for him to be ran out of Ireland).

The rest of us will either watch him playing in france or in the ERC and I for one will be more interested in how he performs on the pitch than off it (lesson well and truly learned I'd say).
Some kick in the balls if he turns in a performance that knocks one of the provincial sides out of Europe. Chances are likely!!

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:36AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You're right. However I read your use of the term as a suggestion that it's a minority, when it very much is not.

The decision has been widely, very widely, supported across the community.

Among rugby fans?
What data are you going on?

awec · 15-04-2018 10:37AM

Mira Rhythmic Steamroller wrote: »

why would any other club and their sponsors want Olding and Jackson?

Moving seems to cure all issues.

The IRFU been happy enough to sign overseas players with questionable pasts towards women in recent times.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Among rugby fans?
What data are you going on?

Anecdotal evidence, was with them most of the day yesterday

awec · 15-04-2018 10:44AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Anecdotal evidence, was with them most of the day yesterday

SO by "community", you mean your mates.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:45AM

awec wrote: »

SO by "community", you mean your mates.

No, not all mates at all. I'm talking about attendees at multiple games I was at and also the clear reaction on Twitter amongst the people who I follow.

awec · 15-04-2018 10:47AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No, not all mates at all. I'm talking about attendees at multiple games I was at and also the clear reaction on Twitter amongst the people who I follow.

You should go read the reaction to the Ulster twitter post announcing the news.

You should go read the reaction on the official ulster facebook page.

You should go read the reaction of the official Ulster Supporters Club.

You should go read the reaction on UAFC.

Indeed, you should read the reaction on here.

Maybe there is widespread support, maybe there isn't. You have no idea.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2018 10:48AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No, not all mates at all. I'm talking about attendees at multiple games I was at and also the clear reaction on Twitter amongst the people who I follow.

I would be absolutely astonished if the majority of rugby fans think this should be a life ban.

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would be absolutely astonished if the majority of rugby fans think this should be a life ban.

This post is literally the first thing anyone has said about a life ban! :pac:

irishbucsfan · 15-04-2018 10:57AM

awec wrote: »

You should go read the reaction to the Ulster twitter post announcing the news.

You should go read the reaction on the official ulster facebook page.

You should go read the reaction of the official Ulster Supporters Club.

You should go read the reaction on UAFC.

Indeed, you should read the reaction on here.

Maybe there is widespread support, maybe there isn't. You have no idea.

See here's the thing. i did go and read that when I woke up yesterday morning. As I said on this very thread.

Then, after depressing myself by reading that and eventually as the fallout spread realising they're still a minority, I realised I couldn't care less about the opinions of the URSC, at least those on UAFC. They're odious scrotes and their attitude towards women is a complete and utter embarrassment to the sport. And so I really wish I hadn't done exactly what you suggested here. Luckily enough as the day progressed I soon realised they're not representative of the general reaction at all, as evidenced by the opinions of people across the country, luckily enough for the rest of us.

I do wish their dream of cutting ties with the IRFU and setting up a new side under the auspices of the SRU was even 0.001% feasible, it would certainly save us potential future embarrassment.

Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

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