Sexual assualt list posted in boys toilet in Cork school

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-04-2018 01:54PM

PucaMama wrote: »

What have the girls done wrong this time?

"Ah they've gone and made fierce trouble for the lads" I believe is the phraseology of our time...

Graces7 · 14-04-2018 01:57PM

wexie wrote: »

Show me where I disputed that?

Words are or can be incredibly powerful indeed, that is why we have laws against hate speech, discrimination, inciting violence and so on.

Intentions are just thoughts, no more, no less.

And last I checked we don't have any laws against thoughts in any shape way or form.

Until....they turn into actions

Intentions are fare more than thoughts. If you INTEND to do something? Thatis your purpose.

wexie · 14-04-2018 02:02PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Intentions are fare more than thoughts. If you INTEND to do something? Thatis your purpose.

Really, so you believe everyone always actually does what they intend to do?

Do you always do what you intend to do?

An intention is just a thought, that may or may not be followed through.

An up until the time it is being put into action it is just as harmless (or harmful) as any other thought.

You want to start policing thoughts and intentions now? Seriously get a grip on yourself.

Anyways, still waiting for your example where an intention to do anything has ever lead to....well anything really....

Harry Palmr · 14-04-2018 02:04PM

wexie wrote: »

Show me where I disputed that?

Words are or can be incredibly powerful indeed, that is why we have laws against hate speech, discrimination, inciting violence and so on.

Intentions are just thoughts, no more, no less.

And last I checked we don't have any laws against thoughts in any shape way or form.

Until....they turn into actions

if you express your thoughts in words you can break the law - incitement, hate speech etc.

Defunkd · 14-04-2018 02:09PM

Does anyone know specifically what was threatened to be carried out? The link in the OP isn't very informative - it says "sexual assault" but that's highly unlikely to have been the wording used by teenage boys.

wexie · 14-04-2018 02:21PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

if you express your thoughts in words you can break the law - incitement, hate speech etc.

Of course, as I already pointed out and rightly so

But it's not the having the thoughts (or intentions) that are what is acted on it's the expressing of such in a particular manner.

All of which is beside the point anyways as none of us here know (nor are likely to ever know) whether or not the writers of this list ever had any intention of carrying out the threat.

Jumping to conclusions on whether or not they did isn't even remotely useful.

Of course these kids need to be sat down and spoken to, made to be seen how this is a terrible thing to do etc. etc. but lets not just start treating them as rapists in the making just yet shall we?

Christy42 · 14-04-2018 02:31PM

wexie wrote: »

Show me where I disputed that?

Words are or can be incredibly powerful indeed, that is why we have laws against hate speech, discrimination, inciting violence and so on.

Intentions are just thoughts, no more, no less.

And last I checked we don't have any laws against thoughts in any shape way or form.

Until....they turn into actions

Your original post on the topic was about words (or writing on walls) not hurting anyone?

AllForIt · 14-04-2018 02:37PM

I never though I'd see the day that something written on a grotty public toilet wall would be taken seriously and make national headlines.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-04-2018 02:57PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I never though I'd see the day that something written on a grotty public toilet wall would be taken seriously and make national headlines.

I think you'll find the idea expressed is what's being taken seriously. Whether or not it was intended as a joke or a serious threat is irrelevant - an invitation to rape/assualt/whatever by a teenager is most certainly going to be taken seriously - the school would be guilty of negligence if it didn't.

wexie · 14-04-2018 03:04PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Your original post on the topic was about words (or writing on walls) not hurting anyone?

Try again....

wexie wrote: »

No intentions have never hurt anyone either

and if you're referring to the 'sticks and stones post' I suggest you put on your glasses, have a cup of coffee and go find whoever posted it and hassle them

Outlaw Pete · 14-04-2018 03:13PM

Whoever did this knew it would soon be seen by cleaning staff or whoever and so to me it just looks like an attempt to troll and would seem it has worked.

Lackey · 14-04-2018 03:19PM

oceanman wrote: »

its a bit of a non story really....just a bunch of young lads doing what lads do, we live in very different times now than when most of us here were going to school.
that's how teenagers are these days..

Don't speak for all young lads.

Read the story out to my young lad he said:

What the fu£k LIKE...If that was my school they'd get the head bet off them'

Dakota Dan · 14-04-2018 03:28PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I never though I'd see the day that something written on a grotty public toilet wall would be taken seriously and make national headlines.

Probably just bravado of immature gits. All that was needed was to get them to clean the wall and give them a reprimanding.

Christy42 · 14-04-2018 03:31PM

wexie wrote: »

Try again....

and if you're referring to the 'sticks and stones post' (that seems to have disappeared) I suggest you put on your glasses, have a cup of coffee and go find whoever posted it and hassle them

Apologies, I made a mistake but seriously politeness costs nothing.

BTW stop going for a technicality. This entire thing is about words written on a wall and not just intentions. Oh and conspiracy (or plans/intentions) to commit a crime is still a crime.

Dakota Dan · 14-04-2018 03:31PM

Lackey wrote: »

Don't speak for all young lads.

Read the story out to my young lad he said:

What the fu£k LIKE...If that was my school they'd get the head bet off them'

The heads beat off them? What school is your young lad going to?

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 03:35PM

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Ah come off it.

"Sticks and stones, may break my bones but names or writing on a wall won't hurt me"

Updated for millennials:

'Sticks and stones, may break my bones but words will trigger an anxiety attack'.

Lackey · 14-04-2018 03:47PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The heads beat off them? What school is your young lad going to?

One were young lads don't post rape lists on the toilet walls

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 03:50PM

I suspect the graffiti actually said something like 'whoever gets the most ticks gets the ride' when the media got hold of this the word 'rape' was added to the story.

judeboy101 · 14-04-2018 03:51PM

This will be brushed under the carpet, same happened with that hockey stick rape 2 yrs ago

14-04-2018 03:51PM

Blame Game wrote: »

I suspect the graffiti actually said something like 'whoever gets the most ticks gets the ride' when the media got hold of this the word 'rape' was added to the story.

You've just made that up, right?

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 03:52PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You've just made that up, right?

No. Come on it's the media, they want outrage. It sells.

Grab All Association · 14-04-2018 03:55PM

School staff should be charged with wasting AGS time.

14-04-2018 03:55PM

Blame Game wrote: »

No. Come on it's the media, they want outrage. It sells.

You're complaining about the media making up stuff, when you've just made up stuff?

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 03:57PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You're complaining about the media making up stuff, when you've just made up stuff?

I'm skeptical. Toilet graffiti is now national news and it just so happens we recently had the most intensively covered rape trial in our history.

Yeah, merely coincidence.

conorhal · 14-04-2018 04:10PM

Blame Game wrote: »

I'm skeptical. Toilet graffiti is now national news and it just so happens we recently had the most intensively covered rape trial in our history.

Yeah, merely coincidence.

Of course it isn't, it's the #MeCarthyism brigade using this story to push their agenda of control. Disgusting as that graffiti is, it's worth bearing in mind that it was likely perpetrated by a minor and that the MeCarthyites have no problem using minors to push an agenda, which is pretty disgusting too.

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 04:11PM

conorhal wrote: »

Of course it isn't, it's the #MeCarthyism brigade using this story to push their agenda of control. Disgusting as that graffiti is, it's worth bearing in mind that it was likely perpetrated by a minor and that the MeCarthyites have no problem using minors to push an agenda, which is pretty disgusting too.

And no proof that anything was actually written. Since this is now 'big news' they would surely have photo they could publish with the names blurred out?

14-04-2018 04:15PM

Blame Game wrote: »

I'm skeptical. Toilet graffiti is now national news and it just so happens we recently had the most intensively covered rape trial in our history.

Yeah, merely coincidence.

And how much research have you done to inform your skepticism? Did you listen back to the parent who raised the issue on Liveline or anything?

conorhal · 14-04-2018 04:17PM

Blame Game wrote: »

And no proof that anything was actually written. Since this is now 'big news' they would surely have photo they could publish with the names blurred out?

Well I'm sure it did happen as reported, but the fact remains it should be an internal school disciplinary issue and not a national news topic deployed for the purpose of an interest group to set themselves up as national moral arbiters and censors. People who clearly want to co-opt themselves into well paid positions in every institution in a role akin to the communist party representative that every factory and institution in the Soviet Union used to have imposed on them and who was there to ensure everybody was monitored for wrong-think.

Blame Game · 14-04-2018 04:18PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And how much research have you done to inform your skepticism? Did you listen back to the parent who raised the issue on Liveline or anything?

Why should I believe something the media says just because it's trendy at the moment to be 'me too'? Any proof on what was written? Or does evidence not matter anymore?

Fact is, it's only news because of the Ulster. Money to be made in outrage and the papers need it!

B0jangles · 14-04-2018 04:22PM

If a similar list were written up in a girls bathroom, except the vote was for which male student (or staff member) should be accused of sexual assault, (for a joke, of course!), would that be no big deal, just kids looking for attention too?

Sexual assualt list posted in boys toilet in Cork school

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