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DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!
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By then I'd be hoping to fit about 21 into the one and only 3 hour run... and trust the plan.
Long runs will be easy paced most of the time. It is a cumulative thing where every day serves a purpose.
The plan looks good, very doable. 5 days running and an optional 6th day recovery run, 2 very easy days and nice variety with the mid-week session and with the weekend runs - the variety in the long run appeals to me in particular.
However, I'd only barely cover 16 miles in 3 hrs at my current easy pace.
But from everything i read last year a 3 hr cut-off for the long run is the right approach - with diminishing returns going beyond that.
But even so it would be a big leap of faith for me to run a marathon with a longest long run of 16 miles and only done once at that.
Plenty of food for thought for sure
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The Black Oil wrote: »Yep, used it for DCM last year. In taper now with it for Conn. Would recommend.
I am reading your log with great interest, good luck in Conn 0 -
The Black oil: fantastic result in DCM17 and you where great following the plan
you had similar concerns about not reaching the 18 - 20 miler distance
but Testosterscone explains it all
Ariana this should ease any concerns it has for me
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104742641&postcount=1150 -
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The Black oil: fantastic result in DCM17 and you where great following the plan
you had similar concerns about not reaching the 18 - 20 miler distance
but Testosterscone explains it all
Ariana this should ease any concerns it has for me
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104742641&postcount=115
I've never run a marathon, so probably shouldn't comment, but from what I've read, the long run topping out at three hours is bang on. It's a "feature" of the Hanson plans and I think Jack Daniels would limit the long run at even shorter. I suppose you build your endurance over all of the miles you run in training - not just the one you run on a Sunday.
If I'd a marathon under my belt, I'd definitely consider it.0 -
The Black oil: fantastic result in DCM17 and you where great following the plan
you had similar concerns about not reaching the 18 - 20 miler distance
but Testosterscone explains it all
Ariana this should ease any concerns it has for me
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104742641&postcount=115
Thanks N for the link.I've never run a marathon, so probably shouldn't comment, but from what I've read, the long run topping out at three hours is bang on. It's a "feature" of the Hanson plans and I think Jack Daniels would limit the long run at even shorter. I suppose you build your endurance over all of the miles you run in training - not just the one you run on a Sunday.
If I'd a marathon under my belt, I'd definitely consider it.
Yeah, i remember reading up a bit last year and the diminishing returns after 3 hrs made a lot of sense to me even then, i know i posted a few times about my concerns going above 3 hrs and got knowledgeable responses explaining why we shouldn't but also when and why we do.
So despite any concerns I'm leaning very strongly towards the grads plan at the moment for DCM. The mix of paces in the long run really appeals to me - easy/moderate/tempo etc. And the mix of paces on Saturday's run - easy one week, moderate the next. The session and then the very easy runs... It all appeals to me if I'm honest. And more importantly i think it can fit into my life very nicely AND i think i am able for it :cool:
It will just require a small 'leap of faith' to trust the lack of distance on the long run.
I'm looking forward to reading TBO's log for further inspiration 0 -
Cork marathon training all going to plan. Delighted to have done my 20 mile run today with relative ease. Went back and checked my 2 20 milers that I ran for DCM last year - both faster than today. I must be listening to somebody round here
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Cork marathon training all going to plan. Delighted to have done my 20 mile run today with relative ease. Went back and checked my 2 20 milers that I ran for DCM last year - both faster than today. I must be listening to somebody round here
From following you on Strava K, i think you're doing really brilliant. You're very consistent with your paces. I was looking back at my training for DCM last night and 8 weeks out (which is about where you are now i think?), i did 18m @ about 45 seconds/mile faster than your run yesterday and faster than my current long run pace :rolleyes: I actually got a HM PB on that run and Strava gave a relative effort level of 'Historic' :pac: Any wonder i was injured 4 weeks later
. You're doing super, keep it up, we'll all be behind you in Cork. 0 -
From following you on Strava K, i think you're doing really brilliant. You're very consistent with your paces. I was looking back at my training for DCM last night and 8 weeks out (which is about where you are now i think?), i did 18m @ about 45 seconds/mile faster than your run yesterday and faster than my current long run pace :rolleyes: I actually got a HM PB on that run and Strava gave a relative effort level of 'Historic' :pac: Any wonder i was injured 4 weeks later. You're doing super, keep it up, we'll all be behind you in Cork.
It’s hard to grasp the concept though. There is still a niggle in the back of my head when I look at my long run paces and think that on the day I need to increase it and sustain it and how can I really do that. Last year I was too afraid to really try it so just ran however I felt like doing and while I’m possibly still not slow enough some days it makes sense that you aren’t exhausted for the rest of the week now.0 -
Safiri will be thrilled!!!!
:pac:From following you on Strava K, i think you're doing really brilliant. You're very consistent with your paces. I was looking back at my training for DCM last night and 8 weeks out (which is about where you are now i think?), i did 18m @ about 45 seconds/mile faster than your run yesterday and faster than my current long run pace :rolleyes: I actually got a HM PB on that run and Strava gave a relative effort level of 'Historic' :pac: Any wonder i was injured 4 weeks later. You're doing super, keep it up, we'll all be behind you in Cork.
I know I said something at the time which was probably a bit harsh and salt in the wound(apoligies for that btw) as you said but this is what I was hoping for by saying it:). You're always going to make mistakes, it's part of the process and it's great to see you guys learning from them. There's a lot of merit in the old saying that you learn more from failing than you do from winning and your first marathon serves a stepping stone to bigger and better things. Think the grads plan would be a good fit for you as well:)It’s hard to grasp the concept though. There is still a niggle in the back of my head when I look at my long run paces and think that on the day I need to increase it and sustain it and how can I really do that. Last year I was too afraid to really try it so just ran however I felt like doing and while I’m possibly still not slow enough some days it makes sense that you aren’t exhausted for the rest of the week now.
It's like a tube of toothpaste KG. When you squeeze the tube from the bottom, it still comes out the top. When you start squeezing it in the middle, you get less out of the tube and end up wrestling for the last bit. The bigger the base, the higher the peak can be.0 -
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It’s hard to grasp the concept though. There is still a niggle in the back of my head when I look at my long run paces and think that on the day I need to increase it and sustain it and how can I really do that. Last year I was too afraid to really try it so just ran however I felt like doing and while I’m possibly still not slow enough some days it makes sense that you aren’t exhausted for the rest of the week now.
That's understandable too K. But stick with it, you're doing super and you're getting the best of advice from the experienced folk on here to back it up too
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I know I said something at the time which was probably a bit harsh and salt in the wound(apoligies for that btw) as you said but this is what I was hoping for by saying it:). You're always going to make mistakes, it's part of the process and it's great to see you guys learning from them. There's a lot of merit in the old saying that you learn more from failing than you do from winning and your first marathon serves a stepping stone to bigger and better things. Think the grads plan would be a good fit for you as well
Thank you!
And fwiw there was never any hard feelings, maybe someday i'll be the one coming across as being a bit harsh to some novice on here but with the best of attentions alsoEven if I say so myself I think that was a wonderful piece of deflection on my part!:pac:
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The last couple of weeks of the Grads HM plan certainly had me feeling sharp. It might be worth a look.
I did look at that and was wondering if the mileage is high enough 5 weeks out from Cork or do I need to worry about that? The 70 min long run will more or less fit with my 8 miles - well the 8 miles should take me much longer as shouldn’t be at pace
The 45 min runs would only be about 4 miles.
I did look at a few different plans to see including the DCM Boards plan and that has 3 and 4 mile runs too so maybe I’m just worrying for no reason :rolleyes:0 -
I did look at that and was wondering if the mileage is high enough 5 weeks out from Cork or do I need to worry about that? The 70 min long run will more or less fit with my 8 miles - well the 8 miles should take me much longer as shouldn’t be at pace
The 45 min runs would only be about 4 miles.
I did look at a few different plans to see including the DCM Boards plan and that has 3 and 4 mile runs too so maybe I’m just worrying for no reason :rolleyes:
I wouldn't worry to be honest. It's a balancing act. I still have reservations about a flat out half on the novices plan 5 weeks before DCM as it involves a taper and recovery week which then only allows a week of training before the marathon taper begins. Your case is different as you're not a novice and have a great base. You could run a marathon at any time off your training.0 -
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With the New Novices DCM 18 thread up and running and some of our Graduates leading the New novices on the road to their first Marathon very excited for them.
Now is the time to get this thread going again for us and for future Graduates
I know many of us have or are doing DCM again this year and for most, it will be our second marathon we may have one on her 4th so no better time than now to choose our plans and start base building if we are not all ready.
I am recovering from Achilles Tendonitis and at the minute. I am following my Physio instructions and recovering well, he has me running 30 minutes per run this week & From Friday I will be able to increase the time on my feet.
My plan once fully recovered, is to start the base plan and on Friday I am going to do a core and cardio class but S&C will be starting next week on a Tuesday and Thursday onwards.
On which plan to use, I am leaning towards the beginner only because I do not think I will be up to running 40mpw by the time training starts.
So who is with me!
Which plan are you leaning towards be it grads or another one 0 -
With the New Novices DCM 18 thread up and running and some of our Graduates leading the New novices on the road to their first Marathon very excited for them.
Now is the time to get this thread going again for us and for future Graduates
I know many of us have or are doing DCM again this year and for most, it will be our second marathon we may have one on her 4thso no better time than now to choose our plans and start base building if we are not all ready.
I am recovering from Achilles Tendonitis and at the minute. I am following my Physio instructions and recovering well, he has me running 30 minutes per run this week & From Friday I will be able to increase the time on my feet.
My plan once fully recovered, is to start the base plan and on Friday I am going to do a core and cardio class but S&C will be starting next week on a Tuesday and Thursday onwards.
On which plan to use, I am leaning towards the beginner only because I do not think I will be up to running 40mpw by the time training starts.
So who is with me!
Which plan are you leaning towards be it grads or another one
Or 5th by the time DCM comes along
Good call getting this thread going again. Once I’ve Cork done I’ll decide what plan I’ll do next. The HH Marathon 3 is suiting my lifestyle at the moment so as long as I get a good result in Cork I might just follow it again. I’ll see.0 -
Or 5th by the time DCM comes along
Good call getting this thread going again. Once I’ve Cork done I’ll decide what plan I’ll do next. The HH Marathon 3 is suiting my lifestyle at the moment so as long as I get a good result in Cork I might just follow it again. I’ll see.
Ah yes Cork is your 4th now, isn't it 0 -
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Another question is anyone going to work in any or all the race series this year?
Kellygirl some achievement when you think about it I really wanted to have another under my belt before DCM but I can wait till next year
You were flying it until the achilles kicked off and you are being incredibly patient. It can’t have been easy to give up The Burren. It will pay off. Any idea what caused that?0
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