Mens Rights Thread

Maxpfizer wrote: »

How is it not an attack to try and join when you know the action of "trying to join" will result in the disbanding of the group?

"Oh, I wasn't attacking them, I was just getting them shut down".

It seems like a lot of unnecessary nitpicking to me. OK, don't call it an attack on the group. Call it a deliberate attempt to shut down the group.

It's almost like the "women can't be sexist" argument. Sure, we can be prejudiced against someone based on their gender and treat them differently or badly based on gender but we aren't sexist.

Without the mental gymnastics it was an attack. With the mental gymnastics it was an attempt to get the group shut down. What's the difference again?

You’re omitting the other option, to disband or accept the new members. They chose to disband and re establish as a private club. Problem solved.

They got to comply with the rules and keep the choir Male only AND men get to feel they were attacked for being men as Silverharp demonstrated above. They get to have their cake and eat it. Only difference is they have to find somewhere else to practice. Sweet deal in the end.

silverharp wrote: »

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why is it a sweet deal?, I assume they have lost their standard gigs throughout the year. So now they are without facilities or will have to pay higher fees to stay in the group and find a new audience. Sounds really bad for them

You’re making a lot of stretching assumptions there. But let’s grant you the persecution you want. They have 60 years of history and connections. It’s not like they’re a brand new club starting from scratch. They just re established and changed one word in the name. It’s not perfect but it’s not the doomsday scenario you’re looking for. Strange that the article was so friendly to the choir but it didn’t mention the problems you imagined.

silverharp wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You’re making a lot of stretching assumptions there. But let’s grant you the persecution you want. They have 60 years of history and connections. It’s not like they’re a brand new club starting from scratch. They just re established and changed one word in the name. It’s not perfect but it’s not the doomsday scenario you’re looking for. Strange that the article was so friendly to the choir but it didn’t mention the problems you imagined.

my wife is in a  choir, so I am all too familiar with the financial and administrative side of running one.

Your wife's in a choir so you must appreciate the advantage to having 60 years worth of contacts and history. It's hardly like starting a brand new choir. 

Don't you feel you're stretching the desire to make this issue about men's rights? Bringing choral administration into it must have signalled to you that you've chosen the wrong hill to die on. Fair play if you really need to see this as a men's rights issue. Im glad I dont share your sense of oppression. 

We've come a long way from 'men meeting together is verboten' to 'this is an attack on men' and we've finally arrived at administrative difficulties of choirs. There are real men's issues and this ain't one of em.

Buttonftw, debate can't happen in a thread where 99% of the posters agree with each other-- that's a circle jerk, not a debate.    And I'm surprised you're angry with the mods when they didn't ban you after your obvious personal attack. Kind of biting the hands that feed you no?

Calhoun wrote: »

Indeed it is a circle jerk to an extent but so is the ladies lounge. However i have seen the mods in this forum post and they dont go with the group think by any means.

There are certain users who have a certain political view point is from a more feminist perspective and they do rile people up at times, i think they are best ignored.

I have seen the mods in this forum as well and not only do they engage in groupthink, they lead the circlejerk.   I'm not sure why you brought up the Ladies Lounge as I believe it is against forum rules to do so and irrelevant at that, but anyone claiming this thread is a debate is delusional.  A discussion, maybe, but debate? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Calhoun wrote: »

NI24 wrote: »

Buttonftw, debate can't happen in a thread where 99% of the posters agree with each other-- that's a circle jerk, not a debate.    And I'm surprised you're angry with the mods when they didn't ban you after your obvious personal attack. Kind of biting the hands that feed you no?

Indeed it is a circle jerk to an extent but so is the ladies lounge. However i have seen the mods in this forum post and they dont go with the group think by any means.

There are certain users who have a certain political view point is from a more feminist perspective and they do rile people up at times, i think they are best ignored.

If its a circle jerk, how is ignoring people who don't necessarily agree with you going to affect it?

I only disagree with some things said in this thread and that seems to be too much far too much for some people to tolerate. It's a weak idea that would chose to ignore any challenge.

iptba wrote: »

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in:
https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/983325263336493056

This was discussed on to NewsTalk programs this week as discussed in this Irish Times article today:
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/men-are-from-mars-women-are-from-venus-but-what-planet-is-david-quinn-from-1.3459634

One of the comments below that article:

"What a useless piece of so called journalism where Mr Quinn gets slagged off /demeaned by yet another 'Femman' writing for the Irish Times but gives no opinion as to whether he agree with him or not. Instead he headlines by asking what planet is Mr Quinn from! and points out petty grammar corrections. Well I would say that Mr Quinn is very much from the planet Male and of course we all know that what he said is true and he could have said a lot more but that would have invited even more consternation. Because Men not only made the world as we know it, they invented it as well and continue to do so. Everything in the room I occupy- my I phone laptop/software/ social media dyson etc wtc invented by male geniuses. We could do diddely **** without them. But the feminists like Ciara Kelly hate to acknowledge this so instead they snigger and deride the Man and feel 'sorry for him'. It is called bitchiness, is synonymous with Women and is alive and well. What is really worrying is that Mr Quinn felt compelled to make such a statement. Of course it took courage because as a male ( not a 'Femmale)', you cannot open your mouth nowadays. But the media pays their male journalists off not to offend the feminists and so we get useless articles like this. Men of course ( and I say this with Male pride) were at the forefront of all the great innovations and art movements throughout all time. This is a fact. They are also continuing to do so and will continue to do so into the future.
Live with it"

iptba wrote: »

This would necessarily represent true equality given how many women stay out of the workforce for significant periods (i.e. years sometimes decades, not months) or only work part-time.

Interesting study on the gender unemployment gap here -

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr613.pdf

TL;DR version? As more women join the workforce, men opt out of the workforce, which closes the gap. The effects of this are particularly prominent during economic recessions.

There was a 'Alpha Male PUA' group in Dublin. They were more interested in getting off with anything in a Dublin nightclub not really personal empowerment.


Look at the reaction to this thread, men empowerment group gets shunned down or ridiculed.
Shows how far the cultural marxist feminist brainwashing has gone.

When clinical pyschologist like Dr Jordan Peterson tell us men get depressed when they have their masculinity removed we need to address this pronto.

I'd welcome a mens empowerment network, would take a lot of men out of depression in my view.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well that's nonsense. Male empowerment is all around you if you don't do your best to ignore it. I'm going to watch the Leinster Vs Munster match on Saturday. Great men on display being role models in terms of their professionalism and dedication to excellence. Marxist feminist detractors absent.

I had a chat with my line manager yesterday about career progression, Marxist feminist detractors absent.

I turn on the TV and I'll see men and women running the government. You'd have to be blind to not see the male empowerment all around you.

What would your male empowerment group do exactly?

It's a sad state of affairs when you see rugby players as rolemodels. Great athletes but 30 guys running around after a ball, wearing outfits smeared in corporate logos for a crooked bank surrounded by advertising for mobile phones, gaming consoles, lotions and countless other stuff people don't need only for a halftime break to sell even more advertising.

These men are athletes playing a game, it's entertainmnet nothing more nothing less it means nothing absolutely nothing. Nice to look at don't get me wrong but anyone emotionally involved in rugby is lacking in other important things. It's a game, like looking at a movie for an hour and half. Chewing gum for the mind if you will.

Big butch dudes chasing a ball that's your idea of masculinity?.

WOW. Really telling how askew and warped people's views of masculinity have become.

I recommend reading Dr Jordan Peterson or David Deida to discover masculinity is more that overpaid muscleheads running around like headless chickens after a ball. That is such an incredible insult to men.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. Someone didn’t make the senior cup team.

I didn’t say rugby players encapsulate masculinity. What I did say was that their professionalism, dedication to excellence are admiral. But to answer your question about masculinity and rugby players more directly, I think it’s fairly well established that physical prowess, courage, dedication to teammates and endurance are some of the elements of masculinity. (They’re probably some of the elements of good adults of any gender tbh).

How would the prophet Peterson define masculinity? Does he condescendingly refer to athletes as meatheads etc or is that how you refer to other men?

Derogatory rant about rugby aside, what would your male empowerment group do exactly?

We'd sit around all day whinging on boards.ie


No seriously if I had a mens group it would focus on

Developing goals
Focusing on being self assured
Developing mental resilience
Helping each other with problems
Ensuring men arent discriminated against in workplaces etc. (goes on alot more than you think).
Having fun (ice cream and jelly all round)

The elements point you bring up those elements can be applied to actual relevant things in life not stupid meaningless team sports. I grew out of that at 20. Wonderful to keep in shape for oneself win things etc , doing it for the "fans" is absurd and illogocial.

I bet you are one of the fans who says "we won" when your team wins. What position you play eh?. LOL.

Its quite sad to see men so far removed from their own masculinity they have to identify with a stranger on a pitch playing nothing more than a ball game. Its sad. A stranger they never meet and a stranger who spends his time running around like a headless chicken or on his arse with 10 other men on top of him. How alpha and masculine eh!.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

No seriously if I had a mens group it would focus on

Developing goals
Focusing on being self assured
Developing mental resilience
Helping each other with problems
Ensuring men arent discriminated against in workplaces etc. (goes on alot more than you think)

Sounds sensible. Now all that's left do do is assume you could never establish such a group for men. Then you can blame the imaginary feminists for thwarting your imaginary group and Bob's your uncle.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

The elements point you bring up those elements can be applied to actual relevant things in life not stupid meaningless team sports. I grew out of that at 20. Wonderful to keep in shape for oneself win things etc , doing it for the "fans" is absurd and illogocial.

I bet you are one of the fans who says "we won" when your team wins. What position you play eh?. LOL.

Yes those elements are great when applied to real life, which is why people who demonstrate those qualities are role models for those qualities.

And no, I don't say 'we' unless I was involved myself. I don't expect that to change your view at all.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Its quite sad to see men so far removed from their own masculinity they have to identify with a stranger on a pitch playing nothing more than a ball game. Its sad. A stranger they never meet and a stranger who spends his time running around like a headless chicken or on his arse with 10 other men on top of him. How alpha and masculine eh!.

Jeez your issue with rugby seems to go beyond this topic. Meatheads, headless chickens, 10 other men in top of him. Let's assume you're anger towards rugby players had been registered.

So how does Peterson define masculinity then?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sounds sensible. Now all that's left do do is assume you could never establish such a group for men. Then you can blame the imaginary feminists for thwarting your imaginary group and Bob's your uncle.



Yes those elements are great when applied to real life, which is why people who demonstrate those qualities are role models for those qualities.

And no, I don't say 'we' unless I was involved myself. I don't expect that to change your view at all.



Jeez your issue with rugby seems to go beyond this topic. Meatheads, headless chickens, 10 other men in top of him. Let's assume you're anger towards rugby players had been registered.

So how does Peterson define masculinity then?

I dont hate rugby enjoy it and been to many games! You can be flippant too on these pal

bern to

Ireland v New Zealand
Ireland v Australia
Ireland v Wales

etc etc

I see it was entertainment not something to define masculinity with. A good 80 mins of entertainment. Nothing more or less.

Never called em meatheads. Go on with your agenda or whatever your at or on but didnt type that.