Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

davo10 · 11-04-2018 08:49AM

Pub owners have the right to refuse admission, as long as they don't discriminate against you on one of the nine grounds, they don't even have to give you a reason. Taking into consideration th situation as described by you, suing could be a costly folly. You could of course pay a solicitor for advice on this, but it may be cheaper to just avoid the pub.

Uncharted · 11-04-2018 09:14AM

I hope he is barred from every pub in the country..... clogging up valuable counter space with his crypto-payments for a glass of stout !

Lol..... daydreamer on tour.

sbsquarepants · 11-04-2018 09:28AM

I think it's just one of those things, he's mixed you up with someone else - just move on.

Couple of years ago myself and a mate were doing a nixer on the south circular road one weekend, we finished up and headed into a pub there for a bit of grub and a sneaky pint. I ordered off the barman who refused point blank, telling me I was barred after my carry on a couple of weeks back - I had never even been in the pub before. I told him as much but he was having none of it - so we just left and went elsewhere. I wouldn't even consider suing!

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 09:41AM

davo10 wrote: »

Pub owners have the right to refuse admission, as long as they don't discriminate against you on one of the nine grounds, they don't even have to give you a reason. Taking into consideration th situation as described by you, suing could be a costly folly. You could of course pay a solicitor for advice on this, but it may be cheaper to just avoid the pub.

Booked in tonight with a solicitor

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 09:42AM

amcalester wrote: »

Turns out the OP couldn't afford the Apple watch.

I don't buy Apple anything. I'm a grown up. This is the only one I have seen with a 4G sim slot so I can leave the phone at home. I'm not a head in the phone all the time type.

amcalester · 11-04-2018 09:43AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I don't buy Apple anything. I'm a grown up.

That's debatable.

Hitman3000 · 11-04-2018 09:48AM

amcalester wrote:

That's debatable.

This.

buster76 · 11-04-2018 10:26AM

cryptocurrency wrote:

No. If he said the first bit then fine and then Iâ€™d not go in there again but to be barred from a place based on pure nonsense or prejudice I will not accept.

cryptocurrency wrote:

So they canâ€™t say or prove a date when this happened because in all likelihood I was not in Ireland. I work overseas and pop back on my rotation and almost never go to that pub. They can hit me with any date I know the exact dates and times I was in that pub and never with friends. Be funny if they gave a date and I show they I was not in Europe ....odds are they could pick lots of dates and they will find this is the case. I ask them to try that one.

They don't have to give a specific date or time. They only have to stay that in their opinion it was you that ....? My advice - if you want to use this premises speak to the person, tell him in a calm manner that you believe it was a mistake but understand their stance. Ask how it can be rectified. He will more than likely say pop back some time. Any legal talk and they dig their heals in. Hard pill to swallow I know.

sbsquarepants · 11-04-2018 10:29AM

It's only a pub - not even one you go to much. Just move along and forget it ffs!

El Weirdo · 11-04-2018 11:04AM

I work in 2 pubs and I've decided that I would refuse to OP service based on this thread alone.

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 11:30AM

buster76 wrote: »

They don't have to give a specific date or time. They only have to stay that in their opinion it was you that ....? My advice - if you want to use this premises speak to the person, tell him in a calm manner that you believe it was a mistake but understand their stance. Ask how it can be rectified. He will more than likely say pop back some time. Any legal talk and they dig their heals in. Hard pill to swallow I know.

You like many here seem resigned to accept people making up random stuff and you just sucking it up and moving on. This is very weak and only encourages such people to do it at will.

The Backwards Man · 11-04-2018 11:45AM

Ireland's Erin Brockovich.

Uncharted · 11-04-2018 12:16PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You like many here seem resigned to accept people making up random stuff and you just sucking it up and moving on. This is very weak and only encourages such people to do it at will.

Not the hero we wanted...... but the hero we needed.

Mongfinder General · 11-04-2018 12:29PM

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

He was probably caught in the corner pulling the plum off himself. The glass of Guinness was the final straw though.

A swift half indeed!

Fighting Tao · 11-04-2018 12:35PM

Unfortunately people are so precious these days. All they are think about is lining their own pocket because someone caused offence or they were stupid enough to hit their knee of a table.

A number of years ago a mate and I went for one pint in one pub before going to meet a group of friends in another pub. When we got to the other pub the owner wouldn’t let my mate in the door and barred him because he was drunk. He only had the one pint and there wasn’t a bother on him. Guess what we did. We moved on to the pub next door and didn’t bother going near the pub that wouldn’t let him in ever again. Did he think of suing? No. He had a bit of sense and just said fcuk that and moved on with his life as a normal person would do.

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 12:39PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Unfortunately people are so precious these days. All they are think about is lining their own pocket because someone caused offence or they were stupid enough to hit their knee of a table.

A number of years ago a mate and I went for one pint in one pub before going to meet a group of friends in another pub. When we got to the other pub the owner wouldn’t let my mate in the door and barred him because he was drunk. He only had the one pint and there wasn’t a bother on him. Guess what we did. We moved on to the pub next door and didn’t bother going near the pub that wouldn’t let him in ever again. Did he think of suing? No. He had a bit of sense and just said fcuk that and moved on with his life as a normal decent person would do.

This is nothing to do with lining own pockets. They made a mistake and should be man enough to accept that instead of doubling down. This was completely different to your mate and was 5pm on an evening with the car parked outside. There is more to it and I've fair reason to believe its the usual chipy reason that some have. Its one of them pubs where the hardcore slip in and out to the bookies by it all day so it has a certain market. It is not somewhere even on my radar when I am actually looking to go out.

ShooterSF · 11-04-2018 12:41PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

What strikes me most about the OP’s post is that he had taken his child to the pub. Now people do bring children to pubs now and then and have a meal but let’s face it a lot of drinking is done by the adults whilst the children are bored out of their minds. I’m so grateful that my parents weren’t pub goers who dragged my siblings and myself there at weekends. Didn’t stop me becoming an alcoholic though.

A pub is no environment for a child. I remember years ago seeing a group of extremely inebriated adults in a hotel bar in Cork city whilst most their children ran amock. Two small girls were crying, asking their mammy to take them home. Is that right?

Oh man my pub, I dunno if it's a certain part of Dublin thing or what, the kids are there from opening at the weekend until you're telling the parents they have to go and then they start complaining that Tommy's kids are still here too. They almost throw the tantrum you'd expect from the children.
I did two years in Canada and most bars its illegal to be in them until your 18. Only right.

Fighting Tao · 11-04-2018 12:46PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is nothing to do with lining own pockets. They made a mistake and should be man enough to accept that instead of doubling down. This was completely different to your mate and was 5pm on an evening with the car parked outside. There is more to it and I've fair reason to believe its the usual chipy reason that some have. Its one of them pubs where the hardcore slip in and out to the bookies by it all day so it has a certain market. It is not somewhere even on my radar when I am actually looking to go out.

What’s different? It was a popular bar that we drank in quite often at about 7pm on a Saturday night where many people saw and heard the owner. Water of a ducks back. He wasn’t vindictive about it like you are with the idea flyers in the locality. Life is too short to worry about crap like this, and life gets shorter due to stress you put on your heart with worry and anger.

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 12:48PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Oh man my pub, I dunno if it's a certain part of Dublin thing or what, the kids are there from opening at the weekend until you're telling the parents they have to go and then they start complaining that Tommy's kids are still here too. They almost throw the tantrum you'd expect from the children.
I did two years in Canada and most bars its illegal to be in them until your 18. Only right.

I was waiting so ordered a glass as I had done previously. As for going to the pub for a couple of hours as a family, you never eat in pubs no???

You would have to wonder what kind of pubs Jupiterkid goes to if he finds the concept so shocking. Going to a pub/ restaurant is actually very normal, these are suburban pubs not dirty bars in Berlin. Jeysus.

Uncharted · 11-04-2018 12:50PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is nothing to do with lining own pockets. They made a mistake and should be man enough to accept that instead of doubling down. This was completely different to your mate and was 5pm on an evening with the car parked outside. There is more to it and I've fair reason to believe its the usual chipy reason that some have. Its one of them pubs where the hardcore slip in and out to the bookies by it all day so it has a certain market. It is not somewhere even on my radar when I am actually looking to go out.

The hardcore crew,eh.

The type of lads that drink pints in a pub!
Gambling too ! Phew.... Rough crowd.

You were lucky to escape by the sounds of it,like I said..... cool story.

RocketRaccoon · 11-04-2018 12:52PM

Uncharted wrote: »

The hardcore crew,eh.

The type of lads that drink pints in a pub!
Gambling too ! Phew.... Rough crowd.

You were lucky to escape by the sounds of it,like I said..... cool story.

I bet they have tattoos too

amcalester · 11-04-2018 12:53PM

Uncharted wrote: »

The hardcore crew,eh.

The type of lads that drink pints in a pub!
Gambling too ! Phew.... Rough crowd.

You were lucky to escape by the sounds of it,like I said..... cool story.

Probably smoked real cigarettes too, the hardy bástards.

ShooterSF · 11-04-2018 12:54PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I was waiting so ordered a glass as I had done previously. As for going to the pub for a couple of hours as a family, you never eat in pubs no???

You would have to wonder what kind of pubs Jupiterkid goes to if he finds the concept so shocking. Going to a pub/ restaurant is actually very normal, these are suburban pubs not dirty bars in Berlin. Jeysus.

Sorry I was talking off topic, not about your situation personally. I don't have kids but going for dinner or a glass of guinness, which I would have no problem serving you btw, is different to the situation I was talking about which is sometimes up to 9 hours in the place and the only dinner we serve is crisps (pronounced Crips for some weird irritating reason) or nuts.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 11-04-2018 12:54PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Yes some view that this way with their English team shirts in pub to watch two English teams and their tattoos of English teams. Odd folk really.

Fully agree.

It is indeed very odd behaviour.

cryptocurrency · 11-04-2018 12:58PM

amcalester wrote: »

Probably smoked real cigarettes too, the hardy bástards.

The yellow fingered brigade as myself and a neighbour referred to them as.

Allinall · 11-04-2018 01:02PM

buster76 wrote: »

Only 2 legal reasons you can be refused entry or service is if you are too drunk or have caused problems on the premises before. Unfortunately the onus is on you too prove innocence in both cases. You got to love legal loopholes

I must tell my 5 year old.

He can’t wait to go for a pint .

amcalester · 11-04-2018 01:06PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The yellow fingered brigade as myself and a neighbour referred to them as.

Name calling isn't exactly the behavior of an adult, now is it?

MarinersBlues · 11-04-2018 01:13PM

amcalester wrote: »

Name calling isn't exactly the behavior of an adult, now is it?

Could be viewed as slanderous!

Hitman3000 · 11-04-2018 01:15PM

MarinersBlues wrote:

Could be viewed as slanderous!

Especially if someone recorded them making that comment on their smart watch.

AnneFrank · 11-04-2018 01:15PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The yellow fingered brigade as myself and a neighbour referred to them as.

May i ask, are you a traveller ?

Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

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