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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #3872
    baldshin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭baldshin


    Has anyone else questioned the cost of the posters? €10 a poster when you're buying such a large quantity seems way over the top.


  • #3873
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    baldshin wrote: »
    Has anyone else questioned the cost of the posters? €10 a poster when you're buying such a large quantity seems way over the top.

    Yea that struck me too. When more than doubling your order quantity you would expect a per unit drop in cost by the supplier.

    But the new higher target happened very quickly due to the sheer speed of donations yesterday. So perhaps the organizers simply have not gone back to their supplier yet to ask for a re-quote. So they are still working with the base quote they were offered.

    The level of money they have now gives them a lot of buying power to shop around. I hope they have a business head on their shoulders and they shop around, play quotes off each others, and maybe even consider going beyond just posters to printed media in news papers, radio, buses, bill boards, who knows.


  • #3874
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    pleas advice wrote: »
    Me, personally. No. Nor for importing abortion pills, or taking them.
    So you’re ok with women taking abortion pills, as would be the case if abortion to 12 weeks was legalised, but not with being able to do so without risking prosecution or being able to get proper medical advice and aftercare?


  • #3875
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kylith wrote: »
    So you’re ok with women taking abortion pills, as would be the case if abortion to 12 weeks was legalised, but not with being able to do so without risking prosecution or being able to get proper medical advice and aftercare?

    the mental gymnastics required to adopt that position are pretty impressive. if it was an olympic event it would definitely win gold.


  • #3876
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  • #3877
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    baldshin wrote: »
    Has anyone else questioned the cost of the posters? €10 a poster when you're buying such a large quantity seems way over the top.

    You are also paying for distribution and delivery, plastic cable ties and for them to be hung up by companies with drivers, machinery etc so not that over the top

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3878
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    €50 donated. Past €320k now. Keep it going


  • #3879
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭Simi


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the mental gymnastics required to adopt that position are pretty impressive. if it was an olympic event it would definitely win gold.

    It's possibly the most sadistic position I've seen someone adopt so far.

    Someone who knows the eight is ineffective at preventing abortion, who accepts that women are going to have unsafe abortions using pills and who actually seems fine with that, so long as it's unsafe, illegal and in secret with no support.

    I mean JDO's example was a case where medical supervision is an absolute necessity, but he would rather risk her life to protect an amendment he knows doesn't work.


  • #3880
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    I've been trying to tune out of this the last week or so for personal reasons but donated to the campaign and looked at the comments...could someone give me the quick version of what the hell John McGuirk said yesterday?? He's responsible for a few grand of donations by the look of things.


  • #3881
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    baldshin wrote: »
    Has anyone else questioned the cost of the posters? €10 a poster when you're buying such a large quantity seems way over the top.

    It's also a waste of money, ineffective and they are eyesores. Sean Gallagher managed to come second in a presidential election without posters and probably would have won but for the fake tweet. Other media is more powerful.

    I hope all campaigns take down the cable ties when it's all over however.


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  • #3882
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Misael Echoing Horse wrote: »
    I've been trying to tune out of this the last week or so for personal reasons but donated to the campaign and looked at the comments...could someone give me the quick version of what the hell John McGuirk said yesterday?? He's responsible for a few grand of donations by the look of things.

    Screenshots of his moronic tweets attached!


  • #3883
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,409 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I see people are now trolling him after posting donations....lol

    Do you think the Iona institute and the like screen every donation to make sure it has come from in ireland?!?! ah come on...sour grapes


  • #3884
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,409 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I dont see any mention of David Quinns recent tweet...which i found hilarious!
    All Hail our men overlords!!!!!!!!!

    The built world around you; men did that. Your house, car, street, plumbing, electric wiring etc. Men. Let's say sonething nice about men today.


  • #3885
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #3886
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I think we're all questioning it, but rather than answer they're just interested in throwing mud on us repealers


  • #3887
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  • #3888
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    Screenshots of his moronic tweets attached!

    Why is he claiming that the donations are anonymous? some people ticked a box to not have their names displayed publicly but togetherforyes know who they are.


  • #3889
    garbo speaks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    €50 donated. Past €320k now. Keep it going

    There's a sucker born every minute.


  • #3890
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Misael Echoing Horse wrote: »
    I've been trying to tune out of this the last week or so for personal reasons but donated to the campaign and looked at the comments...could someone give me the quick version of what the hell John McGuirk said yesterday?? He's responsible for a few grand of donations by the look of things.

    Nothing especially out of the ordinary. He's just being his usual eloquent, considered, and reserved self. :D:D
    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    There's a line in today's paper where they say they raised €100,000 at the their March for Life last month. Considering they also claim there was up to 100,000 people at the march, that means an average donation of €1 per person. Talk about skinflints!


  • #3891
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    Hitting 330,000 euros now.

    Over 8,800 people have donated. Incredible

    https://togetherforyes.causevox.com/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=cf1


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  • #3892
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Why is he claiming that the donations are anonymous? some people ticked a box to not have their names displayed publicly but togetherforyes know who they are.

    he's not the strongest on the aul joined up thinking, he's spouting some sh1te again today


  • #3893
    fruitcake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭fruitcake


    Hi

    I am prochoice - I am trying to convince my husband who is conservative on this issue. He confirms that he would be prochoice but for the fact he has concerns that a future government may further liberalise the laws on abortion (if passed), beyond the 12 week mark..

    how do I try and allay these fears?

    tia


  • #3894
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    fruitcake wrote: »
    Hi

    I am prochoice - I am trying to convince my husband who is conservative on this issue. He confirms that he would be prochoice but for the fact he has concerns that a future government may further liberalise the laws on abortion (if passed), beyond the 12 week mark..

    how do I try and allay these fears?

    tia

    Ask him how manywomen he wants die like Savita while he is sitting on the fence.


  • #3895
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Will be interesting to see if they do a public crowdfund tomorrow actually or will they keep the total hidden so they can fluff the numbers


  • #3896
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see if they do a public crowdfund tomorrow actually or will they keep the total hidden so they can fluff the numbers

    Lol, number 2 of course!


  • #3897
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #3898
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    fruitcake wrote: »
    I am prochoice - I am trying to convince my husband who is conservative on this issue. He confirms that he would be prochoice but for the fact he has concerns that a future government may further liberalise the laws on abortion (if passed), beyond the 12 week mark..

    how do I try and allay these fears?

    There are three ways to allay those fears. The first is to point out how unlikely this is to happen. There are better speakers on this thread to explain that view point to you than I, so I will leave that to them.

    The second is to point out that EVEN IF it did happen it would have almost no effect on abortion statistics. If you look at the statistics on abortion in countries with no abortion at all, abortion to a limit like the UKs, or abortion with almost no limits like in Canada...... the numbers of women seeking abortion at each stage is pretty much universally consistent. Over 92% of abortions happen in or before week 12 regardless of locale.

    The third is to point out that the increase, even if it were to happen, would have to be pretty significant to be a concern. There is pretty much nothing at all happening at, say, 16 weeks that should suddenly be a concern that is not already a concern at 12. If he is ok with abortion at 12 therefore then why not 16? Try to understand with him what his actual concerns are, and then work out with him when they actually become a concern. I know what concerns ME with abortion, and it does not come into play at 12 OR 16 or even 20 weeks for example.


  • #3899
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Why is he claiming that the donations are anonymous? some people ticked a box to not have their names displayed publicly but togetherforyes know who they are.
    Because he's an idiot.

    This is the same guy who as a member of a college society started an anonymous email campaign accusing another member of sexual harassment and then got caught out. He offered nothing but pathetic apologies in penance.

    He has for twenty years continually tried to get "into" politics, but been continually rejected and ejected by parties for being too right-wing and untrustworthy - he has a reputation for undermining or attacking party colleagues, and leaking inside information to 3rd parties and the press.

    John McGuirk is a troll and has been a troll his entire adult life. The only thing that makes him remarkable is that he doesn't just confine his trolling to the internet. He scorches the earth around him and then points the finger at everyone else.

    The T4Y campaign has already covered their arse on this. Donors are required to provide a declaration that they are an Irish citizen or Irish resident before they can donate. If someone notifies them that a donation doesn't appear to be from an Irish citizen or resident, they can deal with that. But the declaration itself would be enough to say that they haven't intentionally taken any foreign donations.


  • #3900
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    fruitcake wrote: »
    Hi

    I am prochoice - I am trying to convince my husband who is conservative on this issue. He confirms that he would be prochoice but for the fact he has concerns that a future government may further liberalise the laws on abortion (if passed), beyond the 12 week mark..

    how do I try and allay these fears?

    tia

    Ask him this question:

    If - God forbid - your daughter/future daughter finds herself in a crisis pregnancy (for whatever reason) when she is 18, who would he prefer decide what happens?

    1. His daughter (with support from you), informed by the precise circumstances at the time
    2. Hundreds of thousands of people you don't know, who have no such knowledge of the circumstances at the time.


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  • #3901
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Did you delete your post Garbo Speaks? Or was it deleted for you?


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