Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:13PM #1

Went into a pub today, one I have only been in few times before in two years and I remembered both dates a durations and was with my other half and child.
I don’t go there as I have to drive and it’s out of my way. Today I called in and ordered a glass of Guinness only to be refused and told I was in there a few months ago with another guy and was causing a fight. This surprised me as it’s not something I’ve ever done or been accused of, infact most people would laugh at that idea of me. I said to the bar man you have made a mistake, 100% there is no chance of this. He said there is CCTV footage of this incident and the landlord had it and said I was not to be served. I said what time was the landlord in..he said 7.30. I come back at 7.30, bar man said 8..waited till 8 till the landlord arrived. I asked the landlord for a word and explained the situation and he said that his barman said it was me and he will back his staff. I informed him I am certain it wasn’t me as I have never been in the place with friends or a friend and just a few flying visits with family when we pop into the veg shop next door. He said there was no CCTV and repeated he will back his staff. I said ask all your staff as they are the ones I have dealt with and he said he will come back to me. He then said he has a right to do what he likes and I will have to put up with it. I said I would speak with a solicitor and he just laughed saying “I’m insured” ..I sense this was just a chip at my UK accent.
Now that this is clearly a mix up and he hasn’t an ounce of proof to his or his staffs claims is this slander or defamation of character if they still stick to this wild claim?
I’m happy to consider contacting a solicitor as I can’t believe we live in a world where people can publicly point and people and make wild unsubstantiated claims about them.

M5 · 10-04-2018 08:16PM

Go to another bar, move on, everyone lives happily ever after!

TheChizler · 10-04-2018 08:17PM

People have sued for less: https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057839752

amcalester · 10-04-2018 08:18PM

This is why bar staff should never explain why they are refusing service.

Sorry, I can’t serve you.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:18PM

So you are saying that he has the right to point of people and say what he likes about them and people have to suck it up. Nice place we live.

freshpopcorn · 10-04-2018 08:20PM

I always get worried about somebody when I hear them say ''Can I sue?''

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:20PM

TheChizler wrote: »

People have sued for less: https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057839752

I think my situation is far worse then that.

Jack Kanoff · 10-04-2018 08:20PM

Maybe OP has one of those faces...could turn the Guinness sour... landlord can't have that

TheChizler · 10-04-2018 08:20PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

So you are saying that he has the right to point of people and say what he likes about them and people have to suck it up. Nice place we live.

Who said that?

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:20PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I always get worried about somebody when I hear them say ''Can I sue?''

An acknowledgement after he speaks to his other staff that it was just some confusion and it would be the end of it from me.

harry Bailey esq · 10-04-2018 08:22PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Went into a pub today, one I have only been in few times before in two years and I remembered both dates a durations and was with my other half and child.
I don’t go there as I have to drive and it’s out of my way. Today I called in and ordered a glass of Guinness only to be refused and told I was in there a few months ago with another guy and was causing a fight. This surprised me as it’s not something I’ve ever done or been accused of, infact most people would laugh at that idea of me. I said to the bar man you have made a mistake, 100% there is no chance of this. He said there is CCTV footage of this incident and the landlord had it and said I was not to be served. I said what time was the landlord in..he said 7.30. I come back at 7.30, bar man said 8..waited till 8 till the landlord arrived. I asked the landlord for a word and explained the situation and he said that his barman said it was me and he will back his staff. I informed him I am certain it wasn’t me as I have never been in the place with friends or a friend and just a few flying visits with family when we pop into the veg shop next door. He said there was no CCTV and repeated he will back his staff. I said ask all your staff as they are the ones I have dealt with and he said he will come back to me. He then said he has a right to do what he likes and I will have to put up with it. I said I would speak with a solicitor and he just laughed saying “I’m insured” ..I sense this was just a chip at my UK accent.
Now that this is clearly a mix up and he hasn’t an ounce of proof to his or his staffs claims is this slander or defamation of character if they still stick to this wild claim?
I’m happy to consider contacting a solicitor as I can’t believe we live in a world where people can publicly point and people and make wild unsubstantiated claims about them.

I feel for ya guy, but asking how much a pint of Heineken costs in bitcoin probably raised a few red flags.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:22PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Who said that?

M5, effectively

wexie · 10-04-2018 08:24PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

An acknowledgement after he speaks to his other staff that it was just some confusion and it would be the end of it from me.

But why?

He's hardly taking out adds in the local newspaper with your picture that say 'this guy is a trouble maker and is barred from my pub'?

By your own admission you very rarely go in there? So why bother?

The Backwards Man · 10-04-2018 08:24PM

Doesn't seem like any confusion from here, they say you're barred, you say you're not. You drink somewhere else, it's their loss (or not).

Simple

tomofson · 10-04-2018 08:26PM

I'm sure you could make a case if you are a member of a certain minority group, other wise probably not.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:29PM

tomofson wrote: »

I'm sure you could make a case if you where a member of a certain minority group, other wise probably not.

Is sectarianism not a thing no or do you say it just has to be race? Plenty salt of the earth bar crawlers have a deep seated hatred of anyone with a southern English accent

ShooterSF · 10-04-2018 08:34PM

Was going to mention the counterfeit 10 euro case above if it hadn't been mentioned. Its an example of why we are told to pull people aside privately if we're going to refuse them in our bar.

Op probably depends how you were refused. If they defame your character in front of others you might have a case.

Edit also that you were here before trouble excuse is one we are told to use to refuse undesirables all the time. So the bartender for whatever reason just probably didn't want to serve you.

Hitman3000 · 10-04-2018 08:36PM

So your word against that of the Landlord and his staff, how do you see that working out buddy? Life's to short move on.

bobmalooka · 10-04-2018 08:38PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Is sectarianism not a thing no or do you say it just has to be race? Plenty salt of the earth bar crawlers have a deep seated hatred of anyone with a southern English accent

How would he know what religion you follow?

Hitman3000 · 10-04-2018 08:39PM

cryptocurrency wrote:

Is sectarianism not a thing no or do you say it just has to be race? Plenty salt of the earth bar crawlers have a deep seated hatred of anyone with a southern English accent

Now I understand why they don't want your business.

amcalester · 10-04-2018 08:40PM

Did any third party hear the conversation?

If not then you’ve no claim.

Even if someone did that doesn’t mean you have a claim.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:41PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So your word against that of the Landlord and his staff, how do you see that working out buddy? Life's to short move on.

I don’t accept that the landlord and his staff are above the law and can just make stuff up about people. As I know they are full of it I am happy to up it to any level they like. I am even happy to publicly call them out on it. They have nothing ...name a date and there is a 90% I was not even in Ireland and can prove it.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:42PM

amcalester wrote: »

Did any third party hear the conversation?

If not then you’ve no claim.

Even if someone did that doesn’t mean you have a claim.

About ten in the bar would have heard the conversation and my watch recorded it all.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 10-04-2018 08:44PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So your word against that of the Landlord and his staff, how do you see that working out buddy? Life's to short move on.

The whole “move on” nonsense is the catchcry of the wimp.

I don’t if this is slander or not but “moving on” from personal attacks is not what you do.

amcalester · 10-04-2018 08:44PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

About ten in the bar would have heard the conversation and my watch recorded it all.

And what do you want to get out of this?

tomofson · 10-04-2018 08:44PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Is sectarianism not a thing no or do you say it just has to be race? Plenty salt of the earth bar crawlers have a deep seated hatred of anyone with a southern English accent

I was referring to a certain well known group of people who have a habit of suing anyone and everyone over perceived insults.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 08:45PM

amcalester wrote: »

And what do you want to get out of this?

An acknowledgment it wasn’t me.

tomofson · 10-04-2018 08:46PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

An acknowledgment it wasn’t me.

I'm sure you could get that without going through the process of suing someone.

SCOOP 64 · 10-04-2018 08:46PM

tomofson wrote: »

I'm sure you could make a case if you where a member of a certain minority group, other wise probably not.

Op from UK so might have a case

Hitman3000 · 10-04-2018 08:47PM

cryptocurrency wrote:

I donâ€™t accept that the landlord and his staff are above the law and can just make stuff up about people. As I know they are full of it I am happy to up it to any level they like. I am even happy to publicly call them out on it. They have nothing ...name a date and there is a 90% I was not even in Ireland and can prove it.

Go on so slick, keep us updated.

wexie · 10-04-2018 08:47PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

An acknowledgment it wasn’t me.

Ah... the Shaggy Defence

Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

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