Time to licence pony & traps and rickshaws.

Fann Linn · 09-04-2018 08:35PM #1

Unable to post links, but today two tourists were killed in Kerry when an accident happened on a public road involving a pony and trap. RIP

In light of the above, plus the numerous accidents which occur on roads where sulkys and rickshaws are involved, is it now time for these modes of transport to be regulated and registered?

Timberrrrrrrr · 09-04-2018 08:39PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Unable to post links, but today two tourists were killed in Kerry when an accident happened on a public road involving a pony and trap. RIP

In light of the above, plus the numerous accidents which occur on roads where sulkys and rickshaws are involved, is it now time for these modes of transport to be regulated and registered?

I thought they were licenced/regulated in killarney/Kerry?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 09-04-2018 08:41PM

They are licenced. Plus one incident isn't sufficient for such a kneejerk reaction.

09-04-2018 08:43PM

This is very sad. May they Rest In Peace. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-tourists-die-in-a-freak-accident-in-kerry-36789517.html

Graces7 · 09-04-2018 08:46PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I thought they were licenced/regulated in killarney/Kerry?

They are and a vital part of our economy there. Our jaunting cars and jarveys. Terrible thing indeed.

That particular road is contested by the jarveys who tell folk cars cannot use it when they can

Graces7 · 09-04-2018 08:48PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I thought they were licenced/regulated in killarney/Kerry?

They are and a vital part of our economy there. Our jaunting cars and jarveys. Terrible thing indeed.

That particular road is contested by the jarveys who tell folk cars cannot use it when they can

Not the first accident

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/tourist-carriage-teeters-over-edge-of-cliff-on-the-lakes-of-killarney-450251.html

Fann Linn · 09-04-2018 08:57PM

Graces7 wrote: »

They are and a vital part of our economy there. Our jaunting cars and jarveys. Terrible thing indeed.

That particular road is contested by the jarveys who tell folk cars cannot use it when they can

Not the first accident

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/tourist-carriage-teeters-over-edge-of-cliff-on-the-lakes-of-killarney-450251.html

Thanks. I didn't know that. Shouldn't be a problem so to register sulkys and rickshaws also.

ED E · 09-04-2018 09:04PM

The Jarvies are a local mini-mob. Law unto themselves. Ive no doubt the RSA ignore them the way CAB/Revenue ignore Rathkeale.

STB. · 09-04-2018 09:10PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Not the first accident

Yes.

Some might wonder how many dont make the papers.

Ahhhh for forks sake! · 09-04-2018 09:11PM

Will sulkies be regulated too under such legislation?

Hector Bellend · 09-04-2018 09:13PM

probably time to stop people killing themselves in them

mikeym · 09-04-2018 09:16PM

R.I.P

kneemos · 09-04-2018 09:23PM

Licensing obviously doesn't stop accidents.

the_pen_turner · 09-04-2018 09:31PM

does the horse care if its licenced or not.
the horse has bolted in this case. very little you can do to stop that.

Graces7 · 10-04-2018 07:03AM

ED E wrote: »

The Jarvies are a local mini-mob. Law unto themselves. Ive no doubt the RSA ignore them the way CAB/Revenue ignore Rathkeale.

Actually you are wrong. They are even more carefully checked .. They add character to the town and attract many, and as this is National Park territory they are under even more stringently checked

See

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/tourist-carriage-teeters-over-edge-of-cliff-on-the-lakes-of-killarney-450251.html

I know Pat Dawson personally and do not envy the jarvey.

Horse got put down.

That road is a dangerous one. I used to drive it once a year only just to stay atop the danger. Very popular and totally glorious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatlUVfJ_BI

I miss Killarney! Especially the National Park folk

whisky_galore · 10-04-2018 07:07AM

Jarveys are a tradition and part of the local economy....sulkies don't come up under either of these headings.

Irish Guitarist · 10-04-2018 07:29AM

Honestly I think it's a bad idea to allow horses ridden by any section of society on a road. The slightest thing can scare them.

Graces7 · 10-04-2018 07:44AM

The jarveys really are a caution.. They tell gullible tourists that the Gap of Dunloe road is closed to cars so folk will hire them

It is not closed to cars! The first time I went there I spoke to the jarveys to make sure

And you can access it from the other end where there are none

Knine · 10-04-2018 08:04AM

What a very sad day for Killarney. The Gap of Dunloe is one of my favourite places in Ireland. I have gone up it in a Jarvey several times but I have also rode horses up but had my Riding Hat on. As mad as it seems I thought the last time I was in a Jarvey that it would be a good idea to wear horse Riding Hats as it is a very bumpy trail & the horses fairly move fast at times. I have always found the drivers to be good fun & usually are locals.

I was there in August with my oldest daughter and we walked up it with the dogs but I ended up having a nasty fall and my arm was fairly cut up. There is a fair drop from the bridge where this accident happened & it is at the start of the trip.

I really feel for the relatives of the deceased as they came across the accident just after it happened.

whisky_galore · 10-04-2018 08:09AM

ED E wrote: »

The Jarvies are a local mini-mob. Law unto themselves. Ive no doubt the RSA ignore them the way CAB/Revenue ignore Rathkeale.

Killarney jarveys rhino horn smuggling ring?

malinheader · 10-04-2018 08:14AM

Unfortunately accidents happen. Talking about licencing or regulating this seasonal job will only make it impossible for the people doing it as the power's that be will see it as a money making opportunity for themselves. R.i.p to the two tourists

ohnonotgmail · 10-04-2018 09:52AM

malinheader wrote: »

Unfortunately accidents happen. Talking about licencing or regulating this seasonal job will only make it impossible for the people doing it as the power's that be will see it as a money making opportunity for themselves. R.i.p to the two tourists

the jarveys are licenced

WHIP IT! · 10-04-2018 10:18AM

In Dublin, at least, carriages are subjected to 'clearance' and regulation from the Carriage Office (pardon the pun) in the same way taxis are.

Ave Sodalis · 10-04-2018 10:23AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Honestly I think it's a bad idea to allow horses ridden by any section of society on a road. The slightest thing can scare them.

The vast majority of accidents on horseback on the road are actually caused by drivers. There's no reason not to have them, given the huge benefits it has to the horse, so long as there's education (and a bit of common sense) on all sides.

If we could have bridle paths like in the UK, that would be fantastic.

Sofiztikated · 10-04-2018 10:31AM

I'm outraged, and think something should be banned or regulated, even though I know nothing about the incident, or the laws regarding such an incident.

Cookie_Monster · 10-04-2018 11:07AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

does the horse care if its licenced or not.
the horse has bolted in this case. very little you can do to stop that.

If only guns were more available, they could have just shot it

brainfreeze · 10-04-2018 11:55AM

I don't understand the correlation though. I get for the need for regulation but how does it fit into the death of these two tourists?

How do you regulate for a startled horse? How would regulation stop a horse from bolting? What regulation would mean they would still be alive today, other than an outright ban in that area which is an over-reaction for a freak accident.

Knine · 10-04-2018 12:58PM

Just reading the news now they are saying that the horse did not bolt or collide with the bridge but stumbled & fell down a ravine. Hard to imagine how it happened as normally the horse would be on the road. If you opt to take a riding horse up the Gap, you are given a helmet. Maybe it should be the same for the jarvey's

gozunda · 10-04-2018 01:06PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Actually you are wrong. They are even more carefully checked .. They add character to the town and attract many, and as this is National Park territory they are under even more stringently checked

See

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/tourist-carriage-teeters-over-edge-of-cliff-on-the-lakes-of-killarney-450251.html

I know Pat Dawson personally and do not envy the jarvey.

Horse got put down.

That road is a dangerous one. I used to drive it once a year only just to stay atop the danger. Very popular and totally glorious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatlUVfJ_BI

I miss Killarney! Especially the National Park folk

Horrible accident as most accidents involving fatalities are and a terrible thing for the visitors family.

Do you know what happened to the horse that it was put down?

Badly Drunk Boy · 10-04-2018 01:19PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Honestly I think it's a bad idea to allow horses ridden by any section of society on a road. The slightest thing can scare them.

It's not quite the same thing but I was travelling from Kildare town to Newbridge the other day, and realised that there are special lights to alert people that there are racehorses on the road, or near the road. This is at the edge of the Curragh racecourse.

There are special buttons, like at a traffic light, that the jockey presses when they are crossing a road or in close proximity. I presume after a minute or two the lights stop flashing, but it's not a bad idea to alert drivers to slow down. If the horses are on the road, they'd only be trotting along.

GoneHome · 10-04-2018 01:22PM

[QUOTE Do you know what happened to the horse that it was put down?[/QUOTE]

It obviously had injuries that weren't treatable or survivable in the long term, similar to a horse being put down if it gets injured in a race

Time to licence pony & traps and rickshaws.

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