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Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

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  • #122
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,534 ✭✭✭enricoh


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    I see the OP's name and I see Breitbart and I know it's going to be a feeding frenzy.
    As was said before, the usual people screaming about this with bulging veins and foam speckled mouth couldn't give a flying sh*t about the victim, other that she fits with their agenda.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD_TN5N9-Ps


    Mr Toad must have been absolutely delighted at this case. Must have posted it right away after pulling his trousers back up.
    As for "the situation in Europe" posters, do you live here? Do you even know any foreigners?
    I work with and know a lot of people from Turkish, African and Asian descent, you'd be amazed at the times they didn't try to rape or jihad me.
    You love to foam at the mouth whilst screaming about warzone Europe, rape gangs, etc...
    You'd be amazed (and I guess disappointed) how boring and normal it is here.
    Kudos to the police for arriving and taking those scumbags down.

    "Must have posted it right away after pulling his trousers back up" . Good one, maybe u'd prefer if it wasn't mentioned whatsoever. And instead u could just regale us with your experiences. I take it u don't live in Telford, Rotherham, Luton, etc etc.


  • #123
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    professore wrote: »
    Why don't the mainstream media report this?
    Why is our media so biased?

    How mainstream do you want?

    The Irish Timeshttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-woman-allegedly-gang-raped-while-holidaying-in-prague-1.3453187

    The "Irish" sun


    The Mirror


    Irish Post


    ETC ETC


  • #124
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    quintana76 wrote: »
    If the general media had being less agenda driven this may not have been as pronounced a phononom.

    I used to be idealistic enough to believe that. I genuinely no longer believe you can get an "agenda free" media. Theoretically you could develop a balanced newspaper which has as many opposing views as possible, but human nature prevents that from becoming a reality.

    I haven't bought a newspaper in perhaps 15 years. It used to be a nice thing to buy The Irish Times or Sunday Business Post and read either over a coffee. The Post is a hell of a lot less biased than The Irish Times, but it, too, has a clear agenda.


  • #125
    BadTurtle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭BadTurtle


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    The Daily Mail

    Wow. If you think the Daily Mail is the middle ground rather than an extreme, you must be a big fan of punish a Muslim day.


  • #126
    Pepefrogok
    Site Banned Posts: 406 ✭✭Pepefrogok


    BadTurtle wrote: »
    Wow. If you think the Daily Mail is the middle ground rather than an extreme, you must be a big fan of punish a Muslim day.

    Punish a Muslim day lol! You mean that made up thing the media pounced on! Pity they weren't so quick to pounce on the news of all the white girls who were actually punished by rape and abuse by Muslims ffs.


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  • #127
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,196 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    BadTurtle wrote: »
    Wow. If you think the Daily Mail is the middle ground rather than an extreme, you must be a big fan of punish a Muslim day.


    Thank you. Just knew you'd see the sarcasm. Not.


  • #128
    ahnowbrowncow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    RustyNut wrote: »
    How mainstream do you want?

    The Irish Timeshttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-woman-allegedly-gang-raped-while-holidaying-in-prague-1.3453187

    The "Irish" sun


    The Mirror


    Irish Post

    ETC ETC

    Irelands two most popular news outlets didn't cover the story.

    The Irish Sun and the Mirror each have ten times less online readership than each of Rte News and the Irish Independent, both of whom never ran the story.
    The Irish Post has 20 times less online readership and the Irish Times has just over half of each of them.

    It seems like our definition for mainstream differs.


  • #129
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    What countries in the European Union are lead by the far left?.

    What have you done to help the victims. Absolutely nothing. popping one off to a Alex jones rant doesn't count.

    Have you ever set foot in a European country?. Serious question? You don't know seem to have the faintest clue about politics in Europe.

    I'd consider Sweden's Government fairly far to the left. Since when is a list of facts a rant? What have I done? I don't ignore the reality that there is a culture clash happening in Europe and a organised effort by institutions to hide it. You openly support block bloc groups like antifa so please don't lecture me on politics.

    I live in Europe btw, after all the stalking you still haven't figured that out.


  • #130
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    I'd consider Sweden's Government fairly far to the left. Since when is a list of facts a rant? What have I done? I don't ignore the reality that there is a culture clash happening in Europe and a organised effort by institutions to hide it. You openly support block bloc groups like antifa so please don't lecture me on politics.

    I live in Europe btw, after all the stalking you still haven't figured that out.

    I don't support groups like antifa the Anti-fascist group. . Your dishonest poster as usual. Quite honestly.. Know one gives two ****s about antifa. your obsessions with the left, cultural Marxism is parody. You don't have a slight clue what your talking about. You've managed to name one government thats left leaning. I thought
    Europe's was swarmed with far left governments?????.


  • #131
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'd actually say the opposite: most media is economically rightwing and is supportive of more immigration because it keep the costs of doing business down and increases the number of potential customers they can have. The human rights stuff is just fluff used by them. Don't let that deceive you. It's no coincidence, for instance, that The Irish Times supports "minority rights" given its origins as a colonial minority in Ireland: a convenient dressing on naked self-interest.

    Further, it's not as if it's going to be the media owners or editors whose jobs will be first threatened by more immigrants. If it were you can bet they'd be more "racist". And remember people aren't having enough children but are living longer. And pensions are paid out of current government revenue so many rightwing governments in Europe see immigration as a way to fund economic issues in the future.

    Refugees are an opportunity for the German economy

    There's a very practical reason why Germany is taking in so many refugees

    It's an ineffably impressive achievement from sections of the economic rightwing - Jacob Rees Mogg, for instance, is worth about €150 million - to blame the economic leftwing for being the chief proponents of increasing immigration. It's a win on the double. It's also a massive problem that the people for whom being against immigration is most important can't apportion blame for that immigration where it belongs at rightwing economic policies. Utterly duped.

    This is extremely true and an excellent point that should be emphasised. However the left has done itself no favours by swallowing the multicultural kool-aid and going full speed down the identity politics dead end. It's emasculated the left at a time when it's been needed more than ever and opened the door to right wing populists.


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  • #132
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    RustyNut wrote: »
    How mainstream do you want?

    The Irish Timeshttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-woman-allegedly-gang-raped-while-holidaying-in-prague-1.3453187

    The "Irish" sun


    The Mirror


    Irish Post


    ETC ETC

    These are tabloids apart from the Irish Times. They are not seen as the standard bearers of an impartial media. Sadly they seem more balanced than the broadsheets these days.


  • #133
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    I thought
    Europe's was swarmed with far left governments?????.

    You asked for an example of a Government and I gave you one.

    Bolded part, quote where I said that.

    Positions of power isn't just Politicians, it's the media, judicial system, the police. Look no further than the UK where the state covered up widespread child rape in fear of being called racists but convicted a man for making his pug make a nazi salute as a joke.


  • #134
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    irishrebe wrote: »
    They're just talking pure sh1te and victim blaming. It's in no way reasonable to assume that you will be gang raped if you go back to someone's hostel room. People banging on about 'strangers' - what exactly is the criteria for someone to no longer be classed as a 'stranger'? A date lasting a few hours? A few dates? When can you reasonably be alone with a man without being blamed for getting raped? I often stay in hostel dorms when I travel and sometimes there are men in them. Am I and all the other women who do the same putting ourselves in danger for not assuming every man is a potential rapist? We're criticised for being uptight and prejudiced if we're wary of men and reluctant to engage, and then called stupid and naive if we take the risk of being alone with a man and it turns out horribly. You couldn't make it up. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. 
    She might not even have known he was Algerian or a Muslim btw. A lot of Algerians are very light skinned and French speaking, especially upper class ones like these lads apparently were. He may have told her or let her think he was French.

    Agreed. It's victim blaming in the extreme. Some will say it's about advisjng personal safety, ignoring that safety advice is 100% useless to someone who's just been assaulted. And they'll ignore the fact that it's a relatively low risk behaviour, that people (including themselves) take low risks everyday (getting in a car).

    The fact that for.many on here the FIRST reaction has been "why did she...." Makes this one of the most disgusting threads I've read in a while.


  • #135
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Agreed. It's victim blaming in the extreme. Some will say it's about advisjng personal safety, ignoring that safety advice is 100% useless to someone who's just been assaulted. And they'll ignore the fact that it's a relatively low risk behaviour, that people (including themselves) take low risks everyday (getting in a car).

    The fact that for.many on here the FIRST reaction has been "why did she...." Makes this one of the most disgusting threads I've read in a while.

    That wasn't my first reaction.

    So you think going back to a bedroom with someone you just met in a nightclub in another country is a low risk behaviour? This is just astonishing to me.


  • #136
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    irishrebe wrote: »
    They're just talking pure sh1te and victim blaming. It's in no way reasonable to assume that you will be gang raped if you go back to someone's hostel room. People banging on about 'strangers' - what exactly is the criteria for someone to no longer be classed as a 'stranger'? A date lasting a few hours? A few dates? When can you reasonably be alone with a man without being blamed for getting raped? I often stay in hostel dorms when I travel and sometimes there are men in them. Am I and all the other women who do the same putting ourselves in danger for not assuming every man is a potential rapist? We're criticised for being uptight and prejudiced if we're wary of men and reluctant to engage, and then called stupid and naive if we take the risk of being alone with a man and it turns out horribly. You couldn't make it up. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. 
    She might not even have known he was Algerian or a Muslim btw. A lot of Algerians are very light skinned and French speaking, especially upper class ones like these lads apparently were. He may have told her or let her think he was French.

    This is a difficult issue because of course girls have to be cautious. Very cautious. But we have to hope for a certain level of civilisation in our world. My daughter has done a lot of solo world traveling, and meets people of all nationalities all the time, as do millions of other young lads and lassies in Prague, Budapest, Buenos Aires, Moscow, Auckland, wherever, and of course often these young lads and lassies click with someone and there is plenty of sex being had in hostels and air bnbs all over the world! This girl really was just being ordinary, I feel. She was not overly reckless, in my opinion. She was extraordinarily unfortunate to have such a horrible attack. But there is also the complicating issue that (I believe) there is a huge disparity between European attitudes towards women and some Islamic attitudes towards women. Not in all cases, of course, but more so as Islam has gone through its fundamentalist revival since the late 70s. As a young girl I traveled extensively in the Middle East and India long before all this PC BS about not critiquing Islamism and it was a known fact that one had to keep safe due to inherent misogynism in Muslim areas. The local women would tell me!! they stayed indoors after nightfall, they went out accompanied, this is not a new story! This of course does not apply to all Muslim youths, there are groovy youth cultures in Morocco and Algeria and every Muslim place where the youngsters are very cool - I have a good Moroccan friend, a young lad, totally modern and educated, and he is mortified by the rapists from his country that are turning up in the European media. My daughter worked on refugee welcoming committees in germany, going for dinner with Syrian chaps and my first instinct was to be terrified for her. I argued with her but was told that these are perfectly normal young people who love their families, their culture, who just want to better themselves out of a war zone. And of course she is right. And of course I feel I am also right to be worried for her and incredibly wary of importing masses of migrants who by default regard women as chattels and of lesser status. God, but it's complicated!


  • #137
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    professore wrote: »
    A stranger is someone you meet in a pub or a nightclub, especially in another country and go back to their place for sex or snogging or whatever. Getting naked with a stranger and then changing your mind is a VERY bad idea.

    As a man I would be very cautious about this as there is a good chance its a trap so her accomplices can attack and rob me. And I can put up a decent fight. If I was an average woman I'd have no chance.

    It's just common sense.

    It's. It really.common sense. For example, could you take a guess (not gonna ask for figures as that would be ridiculous) as to how many Irish men out of all the Irish men who.go home with a woman while abroad are victims of a scam/assault?

    Would you estimate the number as higher or lower than car accidents?

    Would you characterise those who get in cars as lacking common sense?


  • #138
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Slightly off topic, but what in this day and age is a trustworthy news source?


  • #139
    dickface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭dickface


    Those Czech police weren't ****ing around


  • #140
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Slightly off topic, but what in this day and age is a trustworthy news source?

    Reuters is far out on it's own as a neutral news source.


  • #141
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    You asked for an example of a Government and I gave you one.

    Bolded part, quote where I said that.

    Positions of power isn't just Politicians, it's the media, judicial system, the police. Look no further than the UK where the state covered up widespread child rape in fear of being called racists but convicted a man for making his pug make a nazi salute as a joke.

    Ah so that's whats your really annoyed about. Nazi pugs. Go figure.


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  • #142
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Ah so that's whats your really annoyed about. Nazi pugs. Go figure.

    So you misquoted me. Good man.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Some will say it's about advisjng personal safety, ignoring that safety advice is 100% useless to someone who's just been assaulted.

    Obviously, it's useless to the person who has just been assaulted. The logic would be to encourage others to be safe and decrease the chances of being assaulted, by knowing the risks involved in what they choose to do.

    Admittedly it seems that some posters seem to favor women walking blindly into risky situations and that they will be consoled since they're victims and therefore blameless.

    I'd imagine prevention of the assault would have been preferred.


  • #144
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    LLMMLL wrote: »

    Would you estimate the number as higher or lower than car accidents?

    Would you characterise those who get in cars as lacking common sense?

    That’s quite incomparable, given that most people travel in cars on almost a daily basis. Most Irish men don’t go home with women they’ve just met abroad, on a daily basis (unfortunately for them!!) You can’t really compare those sets of odds.


  • #145
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    professore wrote: »
    That wasn't my first reaction.

    So you think going back to a bedroom with someone you just met in a nightclub in another country is a low risk behaviour? This is just astonishing to me.

    Yes I absolutely think it's a low risk behaviour. I have to go on personal experience and what I hear from other people and the media as I doubt there's been a study done in how dangerous it is to go home with someone while abroad.

    I know countless people who have had sex abroad with no negative consequences and 1 girl who had an extremely negative experience though in her case it's hard to say she chose to go home with a stranger as she has no memory of the incident.

    I don't think you're assessing actual risks. I'd say you do things everyday that are statistically more likely to result in harm to yourself.


  • #146
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    RustyNut wrote: »
    As pointed out by a poster on another thread, the gateston institute you are relying on for your information (conformation bias) are proven sh1t stirring, bigoted liars.

    Has been pointed out to me several times. The PRIMARY source of the information are, amongst others, official reports by the Federal Criminal Police Office, Interviews with police officials, articles from various German newspapers etc.

    I don't know if you read the article but there's very little in the way of 'opinion', more so a list of sexual assaults that they have collated.

    To the extent that people are offended, angered, outraged or undermined by what they have published then yeah they're **** stirrers. They may well be bigots too. Liars? If you find that any of those reports was trumped up then let me know and I won't link to them in future.


  • #147
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    That’s quite incomparable, given that most people travel in cars on almost a daily basis. Most Irish men don’t go home with women they’ve just met abroad, on a daily basis (unfortunately for them!!) You can’t really compare those sets of odds.

    Why not? Surely what matters in terms of risk is not how many people do it but what the risk is to an individual who does it.

    For example if I could reliably calculate that if an individual has casual sex abroad and the percentage who were assaulted was less than the percentage of people who drive being involved in an accident, what would it matter that more people drive than engage in casual sex abroad?


  • #148
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Obviously, it's useless to the person who has just been assaulted. The logic would be to encourage others to be safe and decrease the chances of being assaulted, by knowing the risks involved in what they choose to do.

    Admittedly it seems that some posters seem to favor women walking blindly into risky situations and that they will be consoled since they're victims and therefore blameless.

    I'd imagine prevention of the assault would have been preferred.

    In another thread you said the circumstances need to be examined so responsibility can be apportioned at a trial. Are you sure your main goal is giving advice?

    Reading the comments in this thread do you think they have had an advisory tone?

    I'm not against anyone being aware of risks. I'm against it being said to them after they've been assaulted. I'm against any suggestion that a sentence would be lower for an assaulter if the assaultee was thought to have taken a risk. I'm against low risk behaviour being portrayed as risky (wearing revealing clothing).


  • #149
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    I'd consider Sweden's Government fairly far to the left. Since when is a list of facts a rant? What have I done? I don't ignore the reality that there is a culture clash happening in Europe and a organised effort by institutions to hide it. You openly support block bloc groups like antifa so please don't lecture me on politics.

    I live in Europe btw, after all the stalking you still haven't figured that out.
    You cited a music festival being women only due to sexual assaults at festivals. You attribute this to migrants. The reality is that music festivals have had an ongoing sexual assault and rape issue going back decades. So it is not a phenomena that exists because of migrants.


  • #150
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    You cited a music festival being women only due to sexual assaults at festivals. You attribute this to migrants. The reality is that music festivals have had an ongoing sexual assault and rape issue goin back decades. So it is not a phenomena that exists because of migrants.

    Oh dear

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/swedish-music-festivals-hit-by-reports-of-rapes-by-migrants/

    “Foreign young men“ were blamed by police for the attacks at one of the festivals and at least two unaccompanied migrant youths were under arrest.

    Police recorded five reports of rapes and 12 of sexual molestation at Bravalla, Sweden's biggest music festival, and 35 reports of sexual molestation at Putte i Parken, a free festival in Karlstad, where the youngest victim was just twelve years old.

    "An anonymous 15-year-old girl told Expressen newspaper that no fewer than five of her six friends had been sexually molested by “foreign youths” during the Karlstad event.

    A man had come up behind her and started grinding against her, she said. A young man had groped one of her friends through her jeans.

    Alexandra Larsson, 17, told MailOnline that she had not seen exactly who had assaulted her at Putte i Parken.

    She stressed, however, that that the group of 18-19 year old boys standing behind her were “not from a Swedish background”."


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  • #151
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    In another thread you said the circumstances need to be examined so responsibility can be apportioned at a trial. Are you sure your main goal is giving advice?

    Giving advice? Who am I giving advice to? I'm stating my opinion on the subject, just as you are.
    I'm not against anyone being aware of risks.

    And yet, you protest when posters highlight the risks involved and suggest that people should be more careful.
    I'm against it being said to them after they've been assaulted.

    I'm not aware that the victim of the assault is either posting or lurking on this thread.


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