Two Families in Turmoil.....

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 06:26PM #1

.... as boy (11) allegedly rapes girl (9):eek:

That's what the headline in the Indo says. Apparently happened on Easter Sunday in a field in a Laois town. The Indo doesn't mention Laois only Leinster, but a quick search reveals other mainstream media claiming its Laois. Regardless of where it happened, it's shocking to think that a child of 11 is sexually active enough to even contemplate attempting to or even have sex with a child of 9. How the hell will the powers that be deal with this one?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-families-in-turmoil-as-boy-11-allegedly-rapes-girl-9-36779878.html

ironwalk · 06-04-2018 06:34PM

Very very sad for both families involved.

Both children will be damaged by this, whatever the true story is behind it.
Both sets of families will be scarred.

All professionals involved will have to thread very carefully and delicately given their ages.

Graces7 · 06-04-2018 06:42PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

.... as boy (11) allegedly rapes girl (9):eek:

That's what the headline in the Indo says. Apparently happened on Easter Sunday in a field in a Laois town. The Indo doesn't mention Laois only Leinster, but a quick search reveals other mainstream media claiming its Laois. Regardless of where it happened, it's shocking to think that a child of 11 is sexually active enough to even contemplate attempting to or even have sex with a child of 9. How the hell will the powers that be deal with this one?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-families-in-turmoil-as-boy-11-allegedly-rapes-girl-9-36779878.html

Children mature sexually earlier than they used to. google a few articles /Some say as early as 9 for a boy. Needs great care in families to recognise this,

Poor wee lass

DanWall · 06-04-2018 06:44PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

.... as boy (11) allegedly rapes girl (9):eek:

That's what the headline in the Indo says. Apparently happened on Easter Sunday in a field in a Laois town. The Indo doesn't mention Laois only Leinster, but a quick search reveals other mainstream media claiming its Laois. Regardless of where it happened, it's shocking to think that a child of 11 is sexually active enough to even contemplate attempting to or even have sex with a child of 9. How the hell will the powers that be deal with this one?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-families-in-turmoil-as-boy-11-allegedly-rapes-girl-9-36779878.html

Stop kids watching adult programmes on the TV

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 06:48PM

DanWall wrote: »

Stop kids watching adult programmes on the TV

And perhaps getting easy online access to porn? I'm in my 40s and remembering back to when I was 11, I'd been told about the "birds and the bees", but the thoughts of actual sex was horrifying. FFS even when I did eventually take the plunge years later, I was a bag of nerves. I have to admit that I'm finding this story very disturbing.

06-04-2018 07:17PM

Very sad

Children who are sexually abused can act in sexually inappropriate ways. This is not the action of a well adjusted 11 yr old.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 07:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Very sad Children who are sexually abused can act in sexually inappropriate ways. This is not the action of a well adjusted 11 yr old.

Forgive me but are you trying to suggest that the 11 year old boy was previously sexually abused?

06-04-2018 07:54PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Forgive me but are you trying to suggest that the 11 year old boy was previously sexually abused?

I of course don't know what went on here but it's the first thing that came in to my head. Really though it's not fair for me to speculate. Perhaps I shouldn't have made the post.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 07:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I of course don't know what went on here but it's the first thing that came in to my head. Really though it's not fair for me to speculate. Perhaps I shouldn't have made the post.

No, you're fine. I wasn't having a go. I merely wanted to clarify your post. Obviously, it could be a factor as it has been known to be a factor in similar cases.

06-04-2018 08:02PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

No, you're fine. I wasn't having a go. I merely wanted to clarify your post. Obviously, it could be a factor as it has been known to be a factor in similar cases.

It's a horrible case and I think the 11yr old will need treatment and support as well of course as the 9 yr old girl.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 08:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a horrible case and I think the 11yr old will need treatment and support as well of course as the 9 yr old girl.

You're right. They are both kids.

Mrs OBumble · 06-04-2018 08:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a horrible case and I think the 11yr old will need treatment and support as well of course as the 9 yr old girl.

At what age do you think the boy would be expected to take responsibility for his actions?

Should he be getting "treatment and support" if he was 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 20? 21? 22? 23?

Serious question. Where do you draw the line?

06-04-2018 08:24PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

At what age do you think the boy would be expected to take responsibility for his actions?

Should he be getting "treatment and support" if he was 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 20? 21? 22? 23?

Serious question. Where do you draw the line?

I may be wrong. He may be a monster in the making.

RDM_83 again · 06-04-2018 08:24PM

I'm not sure this is really an appropriate thread for AH at all considering the age of those involved and the small size of Ireland.

SEPT 23 1989 · 06-04-2018 08:27PM

He needs to be watched very carefully for the rest of his life

06-04-2018 08:32PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I'm not sure this is really an appropriate thread for AH at all considering the age of those involved and the small size of Ireland.

You're right. I won't be commenting any further.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 08:35PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I'm not sure this is really an appropriate thread for AH at all considering the age of those involved and the small size of Ireland.

Its not a witch hunt thread. It is a very difficult topic, true, but surely its worthy of discussion? For the record I'm not a fan of the giant carpet and sweeping brush. That said I'm confident mods will keep an eye on anything untoward.

happyoutscan · 06-04-2018 08:36PM

I genuinely do not think there needs to be a thread about this.

Trigger Happy · 06-04-2018 08:39PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

I genuinely do not think there needs to be a thread about this.

I am with you on that one. No good can come out of this.

Gatling · 06-04-2018 08:40PM

It's not the first time and won't be the last time you hear something like this op ,

Mrs OBumble · 06-04-2018 08:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I may be wrong. He may be a monster in the making.

He raped a 9 year old.

In what way do you think he is not already a monster?

He needs to go on the sex offender's register, and be monitored forever.

Mod note:He is accused of raping a 9 year old. There has not been a finding of guilt at this stage. Please take note of this fact when posting please.

Buford T. Justice

erica74 · 06-04-2018 08:43PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

it's shocking to think that a child of 11 is sexually active enough to even contemplate attempting to or even have sex with a child of 9.

I was 6 when my brother started abusing me, he was 12. It went on for about 4 years, just when I thought it was done, it would start again.

meeeeh · 06-04-2018 08:44PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

At what age do you think the boy would be expected to take responsibility for his actions?

Should he be getting "treatment and support" if he was 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 20? 21? 22? 23?

Serious question. Where do you draw the line?

Age of criminal responsibility is 12. I think kids younger can be charged with rape (or killing) but I very much doubt they would end up in some youth prison with 16 year olds. So lines are very clearly drawn.

This is only in the stages of investigation and any type of speculation about it or drawing any type of conclusions would be completely wrong at the moment.

wexie · 06-04-2018 08:44PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

At what age do you think the boy would be expected to take responsibility for his actions?

Should he be getting "treatment and support" if he was 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 20? 21? 22? 23?

Serious question. Where do you draw the line?

tough question and I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to have to answer it.

Personally I think they need treatment and support at pretty much any age (or at least treatment). But depending on age a level of punishment is appropriate of it's up to me.

Having said that I'd like to think rather than just age perhaps whoever does need to make these decisions will also look at maturity and other developmental factors.

I would imagine there's quite a bit of range in all of those when it comes to 11 year olds.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 08:48PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

I genuinely do not think there needs to be a thread about this.

Why not? And I'm not being smart with you. But because I started the thread, I have to ask.

meeeeh · 06-04-2018 08:50PM

Also I don't think speculating about sexual abuse is helpful at this stage. We were playing doctors with neighbour's kids at that age. There was nothing sexual about it and there was definitely no abuse but we explored our bodies. I don't want to imply that happened here but there is such a huge scope in what could of happened and why that it's really not worth speculating.

Gatling · 06-04-2018 08:50PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Why not? And I'm not being smart with you. But because I started the thread, I have to ask.

Having very little facts don't help ,
For all anyone knows there was no actual rape and could a case of you show me yours and I'll show you mine kind of situation ,

Galwayguy35 · 06-04-2018 08:53PM

Some people are just born bad to the bone.

Mary Bell, Thompson and Venebles being examples of this.

If this kid did what is alleged then he is in the same category.

Grandeeod · 06-04-2018 08:55PM

Gatling wrote: »

Having very little facts don't help ,
For all anyone knows there was no actual rape and could a case of you show me yours and I'll show you mine kind of situation ,

That's very true. In these days of heightened awareness, it could be a case of the age old "discovery" thing being hyped up. I would hope it is for all involved.

flutered · 06-04-2018 08:56PM

the time has come that acts such as this and the incident in the ballymun school need to be legistlated for, the peoples council or whatever it is called need to be given a new objective

06-04-2018 08:59PM

I feel I should clarify my post regarding support and treatment given to the 11 yr old boy. It was made with the possibility of him also being abused. A discussion around early sexualised behaviour and what is appropriate and what isn't is certainly useful but I don't think it should be done within the context of this case.

It's only just happened and Ireland is a very small place. The last thing I would want to do is cause further distress to anyone reading here by an ill judged comment.

Two Families in Turmoil.....

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