Southern Kings vs Munster, Sat 7th April 6:35pm Irish time, TG4

thomond2006 · 06-04-2018 11:54am #1

Kings:
15 Masixole Banda
14 Michael Makase
13 Jacques Nel
12 Berton Klaasen
11 Yaw Penxe
10 Martin Du Toit
9 Godlen Masimla
1 Schalk Ferreira (C)
2 Stephan Coetzee
3 Pieter Scholtz
4 Stephan Greeff
5 Bobby De Wee
6 Andisa Ntsila
7 Martinus Burger
8 Ruaan Lerm

SUBSTITUTES

16 Alandre Van Rooyen
17 Justin Forwood
18 Luvuyo Pupuma
19 Lubabalo Mtyanda
20 Lusanda Badiyana
21 Rudi Van Rooyen
22 Ntabeni Dukisa
23 Luzuko Vulindlu

Munster:
JJ Hanrahan; Calvin Nash, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Alex Wootton; Ian Keatley, James Hart;
James Cronin, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Gerbrandt Grobler; Dave O’Callaghan, Conor Oliver, CJ Stander (C).

Replacements: Rhys Marshall, David Kilcoyne, Brian Scott, Billy Holland, Jack O’Donoghue, Jack Stafford, Stephen Fitzgerald, Robin Copeland.

Five players are retained in the starting XV that won against Toulon. A 6-2 split is used with the backline resources stretched due to the unavailability of Zebo and Sweetnam. CJ Stander takes the captain's armband for a game in his hometown. Munster will be looking for a bonus point win against the worst defence in the league (40 points conceded on average per game). The Kings are currently six points below Dragons at the foot of Conference B.

Outeniqua Park, George

ScrubsfanChris · 06-04-2018 12:36pm

Sam Arnold rested then? No surprise, the man looked battered after Saturday.
Pretty solid looking pack plus CJ was always gonna be starting this too. Looking forward to seeing Wootton in a bit of free space against this lot.

phog · 06-04-2018 12:43pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Kings are currently six points below Dragons at the foot of Conference B.

Off Topic but...

I know it's hard to evenly split teams into two conferences but having these two in the same conference isn't great for a team in Conference A looking for Points, PD or Tries scored as they'll only get to play them once while others only get to play twice.

Are the teams remaining in the same conferences next season or is there to be some readjustments?

ScrubsfanChris · 06-04-2018 12:46pm

phog wrote: »

Off Topic but...

I know it's hard to evenly split teams into two conferences but having these two in the same conference isn't great for a team in Conference A looking for Points, PD or Tries scored as they'll only get to play them once while others only get to play twice.

Are the teams remaining in the same conferences next season or is there to be some readjustments?

Conferences will be changed every season according to the previous seasons rankings. (IIRC)
There will still be an even split between countries though. 2 Irish, 1 Scottish and so on.....

Sabre0001 · 06-04-2018 12:51pm

The conference/derby system isn't perfect. Cheetahs get to play Kings 3 times!

At least next season more might be known about what could be expected from various teams (though there could always be outliers that then make the system look flawed)

thomond2006 · 06-04-2018 3:12pm

phog wrote: »

Off Topic but...

I know it's hard to evenly split teams into two conferences but having these two in the same conference isn't great for a team in Conference A looking for Points, PD or Tries scored as they'll only get to play them once while others only get to play twice.

Are the teams remaining in the same conferences next season or is there to be some readjustments?

They won't be able to split it evenly between the weakest/strongest Scottish, Welsh and SA teams but I imagine given Edinburgh's resurgence the fairest outcome would be Dragons and Kings to be in separate conferences.

The Cheetahs have benefited from it the most as they have three games against the Kings (two played already with maximum return) but it's helped them get into the playoffs which will be great for the league.

who_me · 06-04-2018 4:40pm

Sabre0001 wrote: »

The conference/derby system isn't perfect. Cheetahs get to play Kings 3 times!

At least next season more might be known about what could be expected from various teams (though there could always be outliers that then make the system look flawed)

(very OT, but..) I'm not sure I'm a fan of the system as it currently stands. Just feels like 21 weeks of faffing about, then 2 meaningful knockouts at the end. And it's weird playing against sides that aren't in the same league table as you.

I'd much prefer something like this:
- Expand the league, if needed (rumours of other teams wanting to join)
- Regular league season is home OR away, one unified table again.
- (Award a regular season trophy, if needed)
- All teams involved in knockouts, seedings based on table position. If the number of teams isn't a power of two (in this case: 16) then lower-placed teams play an extra round of knockouts while the higher teams have a rest weekend.

One league table. Everyone has something to play for right to the end. No one has weaker or harder conference advantage/disadvantages.

You would potentially lose a derby game, but IMO many of the derbies aren't as strong as they used to be, and games against strong non-domestic sides have increasing appeal. Any meaningful competition has to grow beyond just relying on derby matches anyhow.

Sabre0001 · 06-04-2018 4:43pm

As for this match, I'm also looking forward to seeing some of the backs with a bit of sunshine, dry ball and hopefully open defence

Again, I find myself hoping that JJ uses this match to gain confidence. I'm not sure if it's short on confidence, trying too hard, or what at this stage. Maybe the Carbery rumour woke him up.

Riskymove · 06-04-2018 4:45pm

who_me wrote: »

One league table. Everyone has something to play for right to the end. No one has weaker or harder conference advantage/disadvantages.

why would one table mean everyone has something to play for until the end?

as you are only judged against how the other teams in your conference do then there is no disadvantage/advantage to a stronger/weaker conference

The Lost Sheep · 06-04-2018 5:28pm

who_me wrote: »

(very OT, but..) I'm not sure I'm a fan of the system as it currently stands. Just feels like 21 weeks of faffing about, then 2 meaningful knockouts at the end. And it's weird playing against sides that aren't in the same league table as you.

I'd much prefer something like this:
- Expand the league, if needed (rumours of other teams wanting to join)
- Regular league season is home OR away, one unified table again.
- (Award a regular season trophy, if needed)
- All teams involved in knockouts, seedings based on table position. If the number of teams isn't a power of two (in this case: 16) then lower-placed teams play an extra round of knockouts while the higher teams have a rest weekend.

One league table. Everyone has something to play for right to the end. No one has weaker or harder conference advantage/disadvantages.

You would potentially lose a derby game, but IMO many of the derbies aren't as strong as they used to be, and games against strong non-domestic sides have increasing appeal. Any meaningful competition has to grow beyond just relying on derby matches anyhow.

I dont see how having just one league table makes things better.
The conferences are needed as you have to separate how all teams dont play each other home and away. Having all teams in playoffs for league title is a waste of time.
Losing derbies isnt good especially when theyre about the only games which have significant away support so removing them isnt good and they get best crowds for all sides.
Sure you could argue all the leagues are the same with "x" weeks of "faffing about" before playoffs decide league champions.

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 6:33pm

Fan Linn? ...new Chinese signing?

davo2001 · 07-04-2018 6:37pm

Seem to be a fair few munster fans there.

Tigerandahalf · 07-04-2018 6:39pm

Is this on any channel?

The Cheetahs game was meant to be delayed by 3 hrs but is in 2nd half now.
22 - 13 to Cheetahs 55 mins

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 6:40pm

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Is this on any channel?

The Cheetahs game was meant to be delayed by 3 hrs but is in 2nd half now.
22 - 13 to Cheetahs 55 mins

TG4

BBDBB · 07-04-2018 6:41pm

Regular updates would be appreciated

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 6:42pm

Kings have a pen ... fairly straightforward..and miss!

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 6:42pm

Nervey start, hardly had any ball.

Subpopulus · 07-04-2018 6:42pm

Love this little stadium the Kings are in - much cosier than the huge Nelson Mandela Stadium.

budhabob · 07-04-2018 6:45pm

Munster scrum demolition job.

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 6:45pm

Over throw from Scannel in the lineout, thats 2 lost now

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 6:45pm

Kicks are travelling some distance here

budhabob · 07-04-2018 6:47pm

Feck, James Cronin going off holding his left hand / wrist.

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 6:47pm

James Cronnin off already, looks like a wrist injury. Killer on.

Burkie1203 · 07-04-2018 6:47pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

James Cronnin off already, looks like a wrist injury. Killer on.

Dislocated shoulder judging by the medic there

LuckyGent88 · 07-04-2018 6:48pm

Can we just forfeit next weeks game. The injury list is beyond a joke at this stage.

budhabob · 07-04-2018 6:48pm

Who else do we have at LH that's fit?

Heres Johnny · 07-04-2018 6:49pm

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

Kicks are travelling some distance here

It's not at altitude though George is coastal.

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 6:50pm

Bit of white line fever from CJ was it? Disappointing end

budhabob · 07-04-2018 6:51pm

Good covering tackle by keatley

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 6:52pm

Heres Johnny wrote: »

It's not at altitude though George is coastal.

Was thinking that...but still...there's something def happening

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 6:54pm

I know we had a penalty advantage..... but what on earth was keatley doing with that kick?

thomond2006 · 07-04-2018 6:54pm

Cronin injury would be a disaster. We're already down our third choice loosehead in LOC (torn ACL). Brian Scott now to be the LH bencher?

budhabob · 07-04-2018 7:01pm

Some clear out by Grobler....on second viewing could be in trouble

Subpopulus · 07-04-2018 7:01pm

0-3 to Munster after 22 minutes. Not a lot happening in this game.

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 7:02pm

Ah that's fine

Edit... awful decision

kuang1 · 07-04-2018 7:03pm

budhabob wrote: »

Some clear out by Gobler....on second viewing could be in trouble

1st view in real time had me thinking...fcuk...down to 14...but for 10 mins or the whole game...

Jack Kanoff · 07-04-2018 7:04pm

I didn't see it...did he deserve a yellow?

sioda · 07-04-2018 7:05pm

Yeah yellow every day

kuang1 · 07-04-2018 7:05pm

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

I didn't see it...did he deserve a yellow?

I thought so. Depending on which part of his body hit which part of a Kings' body it could have been worse.
Shoulder hitting shoulder the end result...yellow.

Squatter · 07-04-2018 7:06pm

Drug cheat reveals - to no-one's great surprise - that he's 100% scum.

Surely there are some Dundon-Collopy thugs in Limerick prison that Munster could have signed more cheaply?

budhabob · 07-04-2018 7:06pm

Great try by the Kings, after a comedy of errors on the ground.

ScrubsfanChris · 07-04-2018 7:06pm

That was knocked on at the ruck by Kings

thomond2006 · 07-04-2018 7:07pm

Squatter wrote: »

Drug cheat reveals - to no-one's great surprise - that he's 100% scum.

Surely there are some Dundon-Collopy thugs in Limerick prison that Munster could have signed more cheaply?

Bye.

budhabob · 07-04-2018 7:07pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bye.

+1

kuang1 · 07-04-2018 7:07pm

budhabob wrote: »

Great try by the Kings, after a comedy of errors on the ground.

The referee's not really on the ball generally in this game though in fairness...missing a lot on both sides.

Burkie1203 · 07-04-2018 7:08pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

That was knocked on at the ruck by Kings

Ripped by Stander I think

budhabob · 07-04-2018 7:09pm

We are being made look amateur here.

Bridge93 · 07-04-2018 7:09pm

That was a great try. Great entertainment. Munster will win but the Kings at times can be fun to watch. They're so random

Subpopulus · 07-04-2018 7:10pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ripped by Stander I think

Correct, knocked backwards by Munster and regained by the Kings.

sioda · 07-04-2018 7:11pm

This is shocking stuff altogether

Subpopulus · 07-04-2018 7:12pm

I know we're at sea level but I'm blaming altitude anyway.

Southern Kings vs Munster, Sat 7th April 6:35pm Irish time, TG4

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