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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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  • #6542
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I have talked what the law community commonly believe.

    The truth coming out 9 out of 10 times is nothing to do with 8%.

    If 8% are convicted, it's doesn't mean the other 92% didn't have the truth revealed.

    A person being found not guilty doesn't mean the truth was not revealed.

    State your profession and prove what your saying, otherwise it is just self serving nonsense.

    I know what not guilty means, I'm not the one struggling with it.


  • #6543
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    No I don't see why, you are simply extending to the victim, what is guaranteed for the defendant.

    On the basis that, in every rape case, the victim is the person who is on trial.

    Sounds like basic justice to me.


  • #6544
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    Rapist get locked up in the majority of cases. So unless you can state otherwise ?

    You state otherwise.

    How many rapes are there in this country every year?
    How many get reported?
    How many get to court?
    How many get convicted?


  • #6545
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    Sounds like basic justice to me.

    I as a man, have no idea why people are so threatened by it!!!


  • #6546
    emeraldwinter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭emeraldwinter


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    You state otherwise.

    How many rapes are there in this country every year?
    How many get reported?
    How many get to court?
    How many get convicted?

    You can find all that on the DPP site.


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  • #6547
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    You can find all that on the DPP site.

    The DPP knows how many rapes occur in Ireland???????

    You do realise the last time this nation undertook a study about sexual violence in this state was 2002!!!

    Another bluffer!!!


  • #6548
    emeraldwinter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭emeraldwinter


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I as a man, have no idea why people are so threatened by it!!!

    Threatened by what. Nothing suggested would improve the levels of convictions. Again unless you want to present false evidence or just do away with a trial.


  • #6549
    chicorytip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Silentcorner wrote:
    There is something very emotive about the topic of rape and sexual assault that is deep in us, it is a weird kink.


    If the defendants in this trial had not been high profile sportsmen the entire story would barely have got a mention, anywhere. Most rape cases that come before the courts where victims - both female and male - have been subjected to the most shocking and brutal treatment by their rapists go unreported by the mainstream media.


  • #6550
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    How do we raise convictions on reported rapes convict innocent people ??

    This doesn't even make sense?

    Slow down, type one word at a time...


  • #6551
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    chicorytip wrote: »
    If the defendants in this trial had not been high profile sportsmen the entire story would barely have got a mention, anywhere. Most rape cases that come before the courts where victims - both female and male - have been subjected to the most shocking and brutal treatment by their rapists go unreported by the mainstream media.

    Couldn't agree more, the defendants should never have been named.


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  • #6552
    emeraldwinter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭emeraldwinter


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    The DPP knows how many rapes occur in Ireland???????

    You do realise the last time this nation undertook a study about sexual violence in this state was 2002!!!

    Another bluffer!!!

    Yes the level of convictions of rape and sexual violence is on the site. No one can tell you the level of none tried cases. How can the Rape crisis come up with the figure of unreported.. they can because people report it to them but do not report it to the Garda. So again how would you increase the conviction rate ?


  • #6553
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    Threatened by what. Nothing suggested would improve the levels of convictions. Again unless you want to present false evidence or just do away with a trial.

    I don't know where your anger is coming from pal...but you are not thinking straight...


  • #6554
    emeraldwinter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭emeraldwinter


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I don't know where your anger is coming from pal...but you are not thinking straight...

    What anger :pac:. I just want to know how we raise the levels of convictions of reported and Tried rape cases pretty simple.


  • #6555
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    What anger :pac:. I just want to know how we raise the levels of convictions of reported and Tried rape cases pretty simple.

    Mate, you are struggling to string sentences together....go back and look!


  • #6556
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    veronymus wrote:
    Can you point to some evidence, from any reputable sources which backs up your claim that the truth comes out '9 out of 10 times'?


    Doesn't matter. Can you prove otherwise?

    As a society we must believe this or else it means we don't believe in law


  • #6557
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Doesn't matter. Can you prove otherwise?

    As a society we must believe this or else it means we don't believe in law

    Are you the law?


  • #6558
    emeraldwinter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭emeraldwinter


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Doesn't matter. Can you prove otherwise?

    As a society we must believe this or else it means we don't believe in law

    I have a feeling some would love a NK style system for hot button issues. All falls down when they end up in the hot seat of a family member.


  • #6559
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,943 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Mate, you are struggling to string sentences together....go back and look!

    I would like an answer to that as well.

    You can by all means make it easier on the alleged victims, but how do you increase convictions in any substantial way.


  • #6560
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I would like an answer to that as well.

    You can by all means make it easier on the alleged victims, but how do you increase convictions in any substantial way.

    Well we know that sticking our heads in the sand isn't working.


  • #6561
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    What anger :pac:. I just want to know how we raise the levels of convictions of reported and Tried rape cases pretty simple.

    Mate, you are struggling to string sentences together....go back and look!

    Seriously, you're wasting your time. I know from experience.


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  • #6562
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    I have a feeling some would love a NK style system for hot button issues. All falls down when they end up in the hot seat of a family member.

    Can people make sense of this?


  • #6563
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,943 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    emeraldwinter wrote: »
    I have a feeling some would love a NK style system for hot button issues. All falls down when they end up in the hot seat of a family member.

    They seem to want a situation that regardless of the outcome of the case, they can decide themselves and continue to label defendants as they see fit.


  • #6564
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,943 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Well we know that sticking our heads in the sand isn't working.

    Is that it? Is that what you were telling people 'to go back and read'?


  • #6565
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Silentcorner wrote:
    I know what not guilty means, I'm not the one struggling with it.


    I thought you were a Ibelieveher?

    They are the only ones struggling with the verdict


  • #6566
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Silentcorner wrote:
    Can people make sense of this?


    Seems clear to be fair


  • #6567
    veronymus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭veronymus


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Doesn't matter. Can you prove otherwise?

    As a society we must believe this or else it means we don't believe in law

    Actually, it does matter, it really does. You are accusing people of making up facts but will not point to any evidence for your own. And some of the things you have asserted on this thread are eminently debatable.


  • #6568
    Wheety
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭Wheety


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Can people make sense of this?

    Why do you keep pretending you can't understand posts in here? It's not a good way of arguing your point.

    Cases of rape are very hard to prove as (usually) it's 1 person's word against another. You can't believe 1 over the other. If there's any doubt about the accused's guilt, they must be found not guilty.

    I'm not sure how you can make it easier for the accuser. They must be questioned. They can not just be believed automatically and the accused must prove otherwise. That's not how the law works in any civilised country.


  • #6569
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,943 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Seems clear to be fair

    Me too.

    It's great when you are a fly on the wall with the noose ready but would be entirely different thing if you found yourself or a family member on either end of the case.

    Absolutely there are things that can be done for an alleged victim, but if somebody accuses me or a family member of something I know wasn't done to them, I'm coming at you all guns, all resources I can muster, to prove you wrong.

    I don't know anyone who would behave differently.


  • #6570
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Who are you to dictate what nonsense illogical posts are? What gives you that right?

    Everybody involved in the assistance of rape victims is lobbying for legal assistance for victims in rape trials...

    I am not and have not suggested infringing of the rights of the accused.

    I have given an explanation and an example of how a victim could benefit from legal assistance.

    The question you need to ask yourself is, what problem do you have locking up rapists?

    You have been asked repeatedly, by many people how your propositions will increase the conviction rate, which your goal, yet you haven't once, not a single time, come close to explaining how this will happen.

    If you want to back away from that idea, fine, we can all agree you have no idea how to increase convictions, but if you keep peddling it, I'm going to keep pulling you up on it.

    Oh and the problem I have is locking up people who haven't been find guilty of anything. No one is supporting letting convicted rapists off, but I think you know that.


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  • #6571
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Well we know that sticking our heads in the sand isn't working.

    Ok....so what do we do?

    Give us one tangible thing that will increase convictions....or stop talking about it and move onto world peace. I'll even give you a sash and a tiara!


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