The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:14PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

every pole on the N4 has been done
I'm going to report them for false message

1 in 5 babies are aborted in the UK
THEY ARE FOETUSES

A foetus is an unborn human being after 8 weeks. However what do you believe is the difference in moral worth between a foetus and a born baby? Physically the only difference is in growth and development. In your opinion why is it moral to terminate the life of one and not the other?

Water John · 02-04-2018 11:18PM

Most Constitutional lawyers, save Mr. Binchy, don't believe it's possible to compose an Amendment that incorporates the complexity of the abortion issue.
BTW we have history to prove Mr. Binchy was radically wrong, the last time.

amdublin · 02-04-2018 11:18PM

sean635 wrote: »

nice_guy80 wrote: »

every pole on the N4 has been done
I'm going to report them for false message

1 in 5 babies are aborted in the UK
THEY ARE FOETUSES

A foetus is an unborn human being after 8 weeks. However what do you believe is the difference in moral worth between a foetus and a born baby? Physically the only difference is in growth and development. In your opinion why is it moral to terminate the life of one and not the other?

I'm not sure what is the post and what is the quote above...but I'm really not sure what is the 8 week timeframe mentioned in this post??

02-04-2018 11:20PM

amdublin wrote: »

That article.

Why are some people so intent on controlling other people's bedroom activity and wombs.

Sigh.

https://www.joe.ie/life-style/story-of-the-8th-how-right-wing-catholic-groups-staged-a-remarkable-political-coup-614595?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=onsite_share

Religious zealotry.
Misogyny.
Sexual repression.
Control.
Money.

There's more but it'd be a long list.

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:21PM

amdublin wrote: »

sean635 wrote: »

I'm not sure what is the post and what is the quote above...but I'm really not sure what is the 8 week timeframe mentioned in this post??

Apologies. I edited and fixed the quote box. By 8 weeks I mean by 8 weeks gestation it’s considered a foetus. Before that it’s an embryo

Sofiztikated · 02-04-2018 11:24PM

thee glitz wrote: »

How is that the opposite? They show that they don't particularly care about rape victims, FFA etc by not seeking that proposed legislation be more restrictive.

Are you claiming that because the majority of pro Repeal give enough of a **** about ALL womens health care, they don't care enough about specific cases?

D'ya know, you've got us. It's mandatory abortions we're after, we got a big truck load of hammers cheap from some commies, and we want to use them. And we've own the land that all the abortion clinics are going want.

January · 02-04-2018 11:24PM

sean635 wrote: »

Apologies. I edited and fixed the quote box. By 8 weeks I mean by 8 weeks gestation it’s considered a foetus. Before that it’s an embryo

Weren't you banned from posting in this thread?

thee glitz · 02-04-2018 11:27PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense to me, maybe it's the fact that I'm tired. But your saying that the pro choice side don't actually care about these women and are using them just so they can have abortion on demand?

I'm tired too, but here goes... No, I'm not saying that they dont care about them. Yes, I'm saying that they are using them to push abortion on demand. They may care about them, but not as much as they claim to, and not even necessarily
as much as some who intend voting No. The agenda is abortion on demand, stories of rape victims are a happy convenience.

Sorry but that myth has been debunked already as far as I'm concerened.

I don't think so?

What hasn't been debunked is the PLC side insisting that we don't need to repeal as the health care and assistance that these women receive is fine as long as another child is brought into the world.

What's PLC if not a college course? We can probably do better than the 8th but who's got the palatable solution?

Annasopra · 02-04-2018 11:30PM

thee glitz wrote: »

How is that the opposite? They show that they don't particularly care about rape victims, FFA etc by not seeking that proposed legislation be more restrictive.

Are you completely unaware of the reasoning behind the 12 week proposal? It is proposed mainly to address the issue of women who have been raped to avoid retraumatising them through different medical and legal processes.

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:31PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Religious zealotry.
Misogyny.
Sexual repression.
Control.
Money.

There's more but it'd be a long list.

Reading the article it’s clear that the Eight Amendment was religiously motivated. But I don’t think that’s a ground for removing it. The amendment itself does not concern religion. There is no mention of god or the church in it’s text. All it does is guarantees an equality of rights between the mother and the unborn. There are atheological arguements for this as well which I believe are the only arguements that matter.

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:33PM

January wrote: »

Weren't you banned from posting in this thread?

I didn’t realize it was permanent. I thought it had been lifted

02-04-2018 11:34PM

thee glitz wrote: »

I'm tired too, but here goes... No, I'm not saying that they dont care about them. Yes, I'm saying that they are using them to push abortion on demand. They may care about them, but not as much as they claim to, and not even necessarily
as much as some who intend voting No. The agenda is abortion on demand, stories of rape victims are a happy convenience.

I don't think so?

What's PLC if not a college course? We can probably do better than the 8th but who's got the palatable solution?

Your posting on a thread regarding the repal or not of the 8th and you don't know that PLC stands for Pro Life Campaign, as it's been used and explained as such already.

Rape victims etc are a happy convenience for the repeal side, I'm sorry but your posting crap.

Edit: if you feel your not post links proving that these people are being used by the pro choice side.

gctest50 · 02-04-2018 11:34PM

thee glitz wrote: »

..........

What's PLC if not a college course? .....

google etc is a search engine, giving a bit of context helps

try :

PLC abortion

http://bfy.tw/HRG7

hth

amdublin · 02-04-2018 11:37PM

sean635 wrote: »

I didn’t realize it was permanent. I thought it had been lifted

Oh you were told it had been lifted?

freshpopcorn · 02-04-2018 11:38PM

sean635 wrote: »

amdublin wrote: »

Apologies. I edited and fixed the quote box. By 8 weeks I mean by 8 weeks gestation it’s considered a foetus. Before that it’s an embryo

MOD NOTE
Your thread band. Don't post here again!

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:39PM

amdublin wrote: »

Oh you were told it had been lifted?

I was told my banning from after hours had been lifted. Does that not mean I’m allowed to post here now?

gctest50 · 02-04-2018 11:40PM

groundhog day .........

thee glitz wrote: »

..........

What's PLC if not a college course? .....

gctest50 wrote: »

bertieinexile wrote: »

Who are PLC? google is giving me Post Leaving Certificate Courses and of course Public Limited Company.....

You have to "help" it some bit, bit of context like

http://bfy.tw/HK9V

,

,

freshpopcorn · 02-04-2018 11:41PM

sean635 wrote: »

I was told my banning from after hours had been lifted. Does that not mean I’m allowed to post here now?

Hi!
You can still post in After Hours but your banned from this thread!

sean635 · 02-04-2018 11:42PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Hi!
You can still post in After Hours but your banned from this thread!

Ok. Sorry.
Leaving now

thee glitz · 02-04-2018 11:46PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Are you claiming that because the majority of pro Repeal give enough of a **** about ALL womens health care, they don't care enough about specific cases?

Abortion isn't healthy or care for the foetus concerned, so considering the procedure 'healthcare' is inaccurate in most instances.

What I'm saying is that they're pushing for a liberal abortion regime where the alternative is retention of the 8th. This can't be considered having a great concern for supposedly special cases, yet many claim to do so over those who would allow for it but who are also uncomfortable with abortion on demand.

D'ya know, you've got us. It's mandatory abortions we're after, we got a big truck load of hammers cheap from some commies, and we want to use them. And we've own the land that all the abortion clinics are going want.

Sounds like sarcasm, but can we be sure..?

thee glitz · 02-04-2018 11:53PM

gctest50 wrote: »

thee glitz wrote: »

..........

What's PLC if not a college course? .....

google etc is a search engine, giving a bit of context helps

try :

PLC abortion

http://bfy.tw/HRG7

hth

I appreciate that you've gone to some effort, but it would be more efficient for the sake of all to just spell it out. The number 1 result is Peter Lougheed Centre btw.

gctest50 · 02-04-2018 11:57PM

thee glitz wrote: »

I appreciate that you've gone to some effort, but it would be more efficient for the sake of all to just spell it out. The number 1 result is Peter Lougheed Centre btw.

That was just a hint to get you going in the right direction of looking up stuff for yourself instead of reading off the old handbook

if you are getting results more relevant to other countries, try adding "ireland" to the end :

http://bfy.tw/HRH1

FizzleSticks · 02-04-2018 11:57PM

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thee glitz · 02-04-2018 11:58PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Are you completely unaware of the reasoning behind the 12 week proposal?

Apparently.

It is proposed mainly to address the issue of women who have been raped to avoid retraumatising them through different medical and legal processes.

That's a disproportionate solution, got a source on it?

bertieinexile · 03-04-2018 12:02AM

There are a couple of interesting lessons to be taken from the assault on drillyeye that's just taken place.

The first being that if this is how you treat someone who was open to being persuaded but wasn't yet a believer, then the sooner you all get out on the canvass the better. Let her rip guys! Both barrels!

The basic problem drillyeye has with repeal is that, as the supreme court has unequivocally said, if you take away the 8th amendment then there are no constituional safeguards for the unborn child. You have no guarantees, no idea what abortion legislation may eventually look like in the future.
drillyeye is just repeating what the supreme court said.

Where drillyeye is overstating it I think, and where i agree with nearly all the recent pro choice posts, is that we do know what the immediate consequences of a yes vote will be. We know the legislation we will be getting. There is nothing vague about the consequences at all. In your efforts to trounce drillyeye you were a bit too upfront about the reality of the situation.
Its a long way removed from the sentiment expressed here.

ave sodalis
I would agree if that's what we are voting on, but it's not. We are voting the repeal the 8th, nothing more. Upon repeal, abortion will still be illegal. The 12 weeks will not be going into the constitution therefore we are not voting on that.
Edward M
Stricter laws than are proposed can be legislated for once the eighth is repealed.
Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the proposed 12 week limit failed to be passed after repeal.

(Not saying these are contradictory but the message is totally different)

And of course you're right.

A Dail majority is 79. The Irish times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/referendum-tracker
has 67 TDs in favour of abortion on demand/request up to 12 weeks plus 13 SF currently recorded as undeclared plus however many more of the other 22 undeclared TDs. Plus every party leader is in favour. Plus it would be getting voted on in the context of a successful referendum. Can you see any way that 12 weeks and the rest of the schedule would not be adopted in the case of a yes vote?

In the event of a Yes vote the published schedule would be approved.

And to bring it back to what drillyeye was saying, the only thing stopping the legislation being made any more liberal in future is that it is hard to imagine any way in which it could be more liberal.

The proposed legislation is for abortion on demand/request in law up to 12 weeks and in fact up to 24 weeks.

It wasnt me123 · 03-04-2018 12:03AM

I think the pro choice group don't need to worry about posters, etc.

Let's face it - we know that the 8th needs to be repealed so that the 5,000 that go to the UK each year can get medical treatment and support and respect in their own country. That there should never be another Savita, her medical treatment, or lack thereof, was a disgrace.

The Catholic church no longer has a hold on the country, they can preach all they like about abortion. We haven't forgotten Tuam and the 800 babies thrown in a septic tank, the numerous paedophile priests and the hypocracy of the likes of Eamon Casey.

Let them put up posters about abortion in the UK - those numbers include people from Ireland that are forced to go abroad because they can't get that service in their own country - but commonsense is not their strong point. This is Ireland, not the UK.

Just keep mentioning Tuam. Once the babies are born, they don't give a shi*e about them.

gctest50 · 03-04-2018 12:07AM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

...... Once the babies are born, they don't give a shi*e about them.

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thee glitz · 03-04-2018 12:13AM

gctest50 wrote: »

That was just a hint to get you going in the right direction of looking up stuff for yourself instead of reading off the old handbook

if you are getting results more relevant to other countries, try adding "ireland" to the end :

http://bfy.tw/HRH1

Peter Lougheed Centre it is so. No need to make everyone go clicking patronising links. Show you're a sport and look up how much higher the per capita abortion rate for women giving English or Welsh addresses over Irish ones is in those countries.

03-04-2018 12:18AM

thee glitz wrote: »

Apparently.

That's a disproportionate solution, got a source on it?

Still waiting on you for sources to prove the pro choice side are using rape victims etc as a happy convenience/cover for abortion on demand.

gctest50 · 03-04-2018 12:23AM

thee glitz wrote: »

Peter Lougheed Centre it is so. No need to make everyone go clicking patronising links. Show you're a sport and look up how much higher the per capita abortion rate for women giving English or Welsh addresses over Irish ones is in those countries.

thee glitz wrote: »

Peter Lougheed Centre it is so. No need to make everyone go clicking patronising links. ...........

So, you can't find out what PLC means in the middle of a thread called " The 8th Amendment "

thee glitz wrote: »

......
What's PLC if not a college course? .....

The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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