London murder rate overtakes New York for the first time ever

SharpshooterTom · 01-04-2018 09:33PM #1

NYC authorities efforts to make the city safer over recent decades looks its paying off. NYC obviously had huge issues with crime in the 80s with large parts of the city back then having a fierce reputation. I think 9/11 knock on effect has helped build up law enforcement resources and its clearly working.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-for-first-time-ever-after-spate-of-fatal-stabbings-and-a3803566.html

London looks like its going backwards however, real shame.

Is it really now safer to visit New York as tourist than London?? According to the statistics it is.

Hande hoche! · 01-04-2018 09:35PM

The moped crime is a bit mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un780lEbQZI

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2018 09:43PM

Pretty bad alright. Is this a nationality issue (is there a breakdown?)?

I know there were serious issues with acid attacks in recent years.

It's just if we are going to "learn from the mistakes" elsewhere it's probably best we know whether this is connected to multiculturalism or not.

mikemac2 · 01-04-2018 09:44PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I think 9/11 knock on effect has helped build up law enforcement resources and its clearly working.
.

Maybe but huge strides were made before then too in the late 1990’s

quintana76 · 01-04-2018 09:44PM

London has a Mayor who says that terrorism is just a normal part of modern urban life just like parking charges and that everyone should just get used to it. Most stabbing murders are acknowledged to be black on black. Very inconvenient that as it doesn't fit in with the liberal diversity agenda as espoused by the said Mayor. It also means that the Police are wasting time and effort searching elsewhere so as not be seen to focus on one particular community. It will only get worse.

TheValeyard · 01-04-2018 09:50PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Maybe but huge strides were made before then too in the late 1990’s

Yeah, remember in school our teacher looking at the train shootings in the 80s NYC and how it lead to social change over the 90s and onwards.

silverharp · 01-04-2018 09:50PM

PC's are too pc

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-04-2018 09:51PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The moped crime is a bit mad.

Few of them Honda50 lads stopped rush hour traffic last week after spotting a shinny shinny camera on the Putney bridge.

It's also possibly the acid attack capital of the world (about x500 last year).
'37,443' recorded knife offences the tabloids say, that can't be right?

BattleCorp · 01-04-2018 09:56PM

I blame the guns. The UK should ban handguns. Oh wait.......

RayCun · 01-04-2018 09:56PM

Actually, more murders in New York this year than in London (50 to 48) , and London is slightly larger. But that doesn't sell papers, or appeal to islamophobes.

dxhound2005 · 01-04-2018 09:58PM

Why is it a story if 180 people will be murdered in London this year? The average is around 170 over the years. Chicago with a much smaller population will be over 600.

If there are fewer murders in say June and July you can be sure the papers won't report that.

2 Scoops · 01-04-2018 10:01PM

RayCun wrote: »

Actually, more murders in New York this year than in London (50 to 48) , and London is slightly larger. But that doesn't sell papers, or appeal to islamophobes.

Lol, are people still using this word in 2018?

Here are London's crime statistics for the previous year from the Mayor of London's police office, youth homicide jumped 70% . London has more acid attacks per capita than any other city in the world.

https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s67144/05b%20-%20Appendix%201%20-%20MOPAC%20Quarterly%20Report.pdf

SnakePlissken · 01-04-2018 10:02PM

RayCun wrote: »

Actually, more murders in New York this year than in London (50 to 48) , and London is slightly larger. But that doesn't sell papers, or appeal to islamophobes.

Only 48 murders in 3 months? Ah sure nothing to debate here so.

RayCun · 01-04-2018 10:03PM

It's very simple.

People talk about the London murder rate when they want to suggest war with Muslims.

But you can't forget your ordinary, everyday racism either, so you have to call back to 'black on black' crime every now and again.

Some people will always be ready with a reason to hate and fear non-white people.

Yer Da sells Avon · 01-04-2018 10:05PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Lol, are people still using this word in 2018?

Here are London's crime statistics for the previous year from the Mayor of London's police office, youth homicide jumped 70% . London has more acid attacks per capita than any other city in the world.

It seems that people are still using that word, yes. In fact, the report you posted says that Islamophobic hate crime has risen by 26%. Maybe people will stop using it when it decreases by 100%

silverharp · 01-04-2018 10:06PM

RayCun wrote: »

Actually, more murders in New York this year than in London (50 to 48) , and London is slightly larger. But that doesn't sell papers, or appeal to islamophobes.

yet guns are freely available in the US, without checking i'd have been inclined to say london would be half ny. Weaker policing in London might be a reason with political pressure not to stop and search

RayCun · 01-04-2018 10:06PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Lol, are people still using this word in 2018?

I'm happy to stick with 'racists', to be honest, since that's what it boils down to, though there's always whinging when people use that word.

dav3 · 01-04-2018 10:10PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Is it really now safer to visit New York as tourist than London?? According to the statistics it is.

No, what statistics are you using?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-murder-rate-new-york-overtakes-stabbing-a8283866.html

While London remains substantially the safer city overall, with less than half the homicides of New York last year, according to a new report a recent spike in knife cirme meant February was the first month the UK capital was home to more murders than the US city.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics eh?

SharpshooterTom · 01-04-2018 10:15PM

dav3 wrote: »

No, what statistics are you using?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-murder-rate-new-york-overtakes-stabbing-a8283866.html

Lies, damned lies, and statistics eh?

From the statistics quoted in the article in my OP.

February marked the first month the UK capital saw more murders than New York, with 15 dead (nine aged 30 or younger).

According to the report in the Sunday Times, London also suffered 22 fatal stabbings and shootings in March, higher than the 21 in the Big Apple.

Both cities have similarly sized populations of around 8.5m people. New York City's murder rate has decreased by around 87 per cent since the 1990s.

2 Scoops · 01-04-2018 10:15PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It seems that people are still using that word, yes. In fact, the report you posted says that Islamophobic hate crime has risen by 26%. Maybe people will stop using it when it decreases by 100%

Or perhaps when parents and communities start taking some responsibility for the actions of their youth.

2 Scoops · 01-04-2018 10:16PM

RayCun wrote: »

I'm happy to stick with 'racists', to be honest, since that's what it boils down to, though there's always whinging when people use that word.

How are statistics racist?

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2018 10:17PM

RayCun wrote: »

I'm happy to stick with 'racists', to be honest, since that's what it boils down to, though there's always whinging when people use that word.

The acid attacks in London boroughs are carried out by people whose descent is the Asian sub-continent.

Is this a racist thing to say?

RayCun · 01-04-2018 10:18PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

How are statistics racist?

People are racists.

For example, people who cherrypick statistics.

Yer Da sells Avon · 01-04-2018 10:19PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Or perhaps when parents and communities start taking some responsibility for the actions of their youth.

As can be seen on After Hours, a lot of Islamophobes and racists are adults, so it's not up to their parents to take responsibility for their actions.

RayCun · 01-04-2018 10:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The acid attacks in London boroughs are carried out by people whose descent is the Asian sub-continent.

Is this a racist thing to say?

If you focus on one particular type of crime because of the people who most often commit it, yeah, that's often due to racism.

dav3 · 01-04-2018 10:22PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

From the statistics quoted in the article in my OP.

The answer is still no.

2 Scoops · 01-04-2018 10:24PM

RayCun wrote: »

People are racists.

For example, people who cherrypick statistics.

Scotland yard are racists?

They released statistics that showed two thirds of shootings and more than half of violent street crimes committed in London were perpetrated by black men. 67% of those caught by Police for gun crimes were black.

SharpshooterTom · 01-04-2018 10:24PM

dav3 wrote: »

The answer is still no.

Ok, no need to shoot the messenger, I'm just quoting the article from a London newspaper and that's what it says.

silverharp · 01-04-2018 10:26PM

chances are in either city a tourist wouldnt be in the areas where these crimes are likely to occur so its a moot point. the police in london need to get their act together and do what needs to be done

2 Scoops · 01-04-2018 10:27PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

As can be seen on After Hours, a lot of Islamophobes and racists are adults, so it's not up to their parents to take responsibility for their actions.

Do you think the large amounts of immigrants from Muslim majority countries into Europe in the past 5-10 years has had a positive or negative effect both culturally and socially?

It's a simple question really.

SharpshooterTom · 01-04-2018 10:27PM

silverharp wrote: »

chances are in either city a tourist wouldnt be in the areas where these crimes are likely to occur so its a moot point. the police in london need to get their act together and do what needs to be done

I think a lot of people on British forums I post on are moaning about Tory cuts to the police whereas NYC has cops literally everywhere.

London murder rate overtakes New York for the first time ever

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