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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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  • #3302
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    hill16bhoy wrote: »
    Jackson has done himself no favours at all over the last two days.

    Olding on the other hand showed at least some smarts with his statement.

    Jackson should be aware that if he goes ahead with his action against O'Riordain he'll be:

    i) Securing O'Riordain's re-election to the Dail.
    ii) On, at best, very shaky legal ground for an action.
    iii) Only bringing more trouble upon himself.

    He's being extremely badly advised here.

    So Jackson, an innocent man, should just keep silent and let people defame and slander him all they like?

    And there I thinking we lived in a progressive and rational thinking country. I’m scared for society, I really am.


  • #3303
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    I hope Jackson wins, the irony of a public representative ****ting on the concept of law and justice, when the seat they take on, is underwritten by swathes of legal framework, to underpin their role/work.


  • #3304
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Best one yet, people are sharing a picture of the WhatsApp quotes and berating Jackson.

    LOL - not one of the quotes in it are even his!!!


  • #3305
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    super_furry wrote: »
    Feminazis, snowflakes, virtue-signalling, feminism is a cancer, etc - all the language of people who spend too much time on weird red-pill, PUA and women hating sites and youtube channels. Usually the same kind of people who are frothing at the mouth about immigrants, muslims and the unemployed.

    True, but tbh it’s just the other side of the gang who drone on about rape culture, patriarchical structures, toxic masculinity and frankly the whole #ibelieveher trend


  • #3306
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    paw patrol wrote: »
    you are talking through your hoop....

    Well at least you didn't call me a cuck. Probably thinking about it though, go on, you'll feel better if you do.


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  • #3307
    Uncharted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    I'm just thrilled for the Senator.
    I hope he gets his ass handed to him in court.
    A pathetic attempt at grasping the ' lefty SJW offended female snowflake ' vote.

    The great unshaven won't save him now.
    Will they march on the high court to defend him?
    Will they fcuk.....


  • #3308
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Phoebas wrote: »
    What was defamatory in Ó Ríordáin's tweet?
    I'm not seeing it myself.

    I'd venture very little, but he is the highest profile person to come out with a tweet like that and going after him is a good way to scare other people into being quiet.


  • #3309
    RuMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭RuMan


    Amalgam wrote: »
    I hope Jackson wins, the irony of a public representative ****ting on the concept of law and justice, when the seat they take on, is underwritten by swathes of legal framework, to underpin their role/work.

    Amadan didnt respect democracy when the voters rejected him and now he doesnt respect a court ruling


  • #3310
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Uncharted wrote: »
    I'm just thrilled for the Senator.
    I hope he gets his ass handed to him in court.
    A pathetic attempt at grasping the ' lefty SJW offended female snowflake ' vote.

    Ahhh SJW! How could I forget SJW? I'm annoyed with myself now.


  • #3311
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RuMan wrote: »
    he will earn decent money in france disgusting if he is forced abroad because of completely false rape allegations. Love to see him in the Ireland No 10 jersey again

    False rape allegations?


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  • #3312
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    jr86 wrote: »
    Best one yet, people are sharing a picture of the WhatsApp quotes and berating Jackson.

    LOL - not one of the quotes in it are even his!!!

    And even they were they in no take prove rape - if anything they speak against because why in the world would a rapist take the risk of bragging on any form of social media?

    You’d think no-one in this county ever made mistakes when they were young or ever sent regrettable texts.


  • #3313
    Sidebaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭Sidebaro


    GreeBo wrote:
    In fairness, the comment was about white males.

    Was it not about privilege? The guy was a white male but the privilege that was being referred to didn't mention that, you seemed to add it.


  • #3314
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    super_furry wrote: »
    I'd venture very little, but he is the highest profile person to come out with a tweet like that and going after him is a good way to scare other people into being quiet.

    I think that's the idea alright

    AOR will come out publicly apologise, and it'll prevent high profile people coming out spouting nonsense


  • #3315
    RuMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭RuMan


    super_furry wrote: »
    Ahhh SJW! How could I forget SJW? I'm annoyed with myself now.

    Amadan of course was part of the government that cut the grant for carers for the disabled he has no concern for vulnerable people this is just virtue signalling for him


  • #3316
    Stonedpilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    Canterelle wrote: »
    And these “subtle” comments, including the earlier one about the “smell of unwashed fanny” show the mindset that needs protesting against.

    Oh please these eejits protesting a case they know nothing about and willingly ignoring

    THE FACT THESE MEN WERE FOUND NOT GUILTY.

    I was using humour to show how irrational and biased these people are.


  • #3317
    Mokuba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Mokuba


    Some of the WhatsApp quotes I have seen shared were not by any of the 4 who were on trial.


  • #3318
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jr86 wrote: »
    Best one yet, people are sharing a picture of the WhatsApp quotes and berating Jackson.

    LOL - not one of the quotes in it are even his!!!

    Yeah, he didn't say much if anything on whatsapp after the spitroasting message.


  • #3319
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    jr86 wrote: »
    I think that's the idea alright

    AOR will come out publicly apologise, and it'll prevent high profile people coming out spouting nonsense

    Scare people away from expressing opinions on social media.?

    That doesn't sound like a good idea.


  • #3320
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Phoebas wrote: »
    What was defamatory in Ó Ríordáin's tweet?
    I'm not seeing it myself.

    Then open your eyes and read it properly.

    Jackson has been found not guil But the tweet intimates that he is guilty and got away with because of wealth and who he is - there is absolutely no basis for such an assumption.

    This is slander/defamation in anyone’s book.


  • #3321
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    RuMan wrote: »
    Amadan of course was part of the government that cut the grant for carers for the disabled he has no concern for vulnerable people this is just virtue signalling for him

    Ah see I already had virtue signalling in there. Gimme a feminazi and a femanism is cancer and you've earned yourself a bingo.


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  • #3322
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Faugheen wrote: »
    If you don't allow the media or the public in court then how can it be determined that the defendant gets a fair trial?

    Absolute nonsense statement to make. You can put restrictions on what the media can report (naming complainants and defendants, for example) but to say court sittings should be behind closed doors completely is absolutely preposterous.

    You are blind then, its because of social media and journalists the situatition is the way it is the lads where named but the girl was not, to stop the current situation going on and happening again is ban the press until the verdict is read out if you did not realise the sitation is between A and B not the public to decide thats what the jury is there for i think you need to take a reality check...


  • #3323
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Personally I would prefer not to have men who speaks about women like they did on their whatsapp messages to be seen as a good example . I wouldn't like to think that young boys or girls would see them as heroes to look up to . Think what you like of that kind of behaviour and language about a young woman but I am entitled to my opinion too . Thankfully no men in my life would dream of demeaning women like that .

    Do you really contend that if someone pores through your internet and text history they wouldn’t be able to find something, a single snapshot in time, that would paint you in a less favourable light that the person you think you are? No text or message that with benefit of hindsight you might not have sent

    Do you think that the same wouldn’t be true for al the men in your life?

    Or indeed for most of us?


  • #3324
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Stonedpilot wrote: »

    I was using humour to show how irrational and biased these people are.

    Isn't humour supposed to be funny?


  • #3325
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Augeo wrote: »
    Yeah, he didn't say much if anything on whatsapp after the spitroasting message.

    And that one isn't even in this image!


  • #3326
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    It doesnt actually matter anymore, the mob are on the loose so truth and fiction are one and the same.

    Do these people actually want the four men to be hanged in public or maybe stoned to death.

    If they commit suicide would that calm the mob down.


  • #3327
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Scare people away from expressing opinions on social media.?

    That doesn't sound like a good idea.

    Scaring people away from twitter seems like the best idea ever!!!


  • #3328
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    I have never been upset after sex the morning after. I certainly wouldnt put myself through 9 weeks of a trial after sex that I wanted.
    Why do you think she was injured with the laceration?

    Jackson isn't big on cutting his nails?


  • #3329
    torqtorq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭torqtorq


    jr86 wrote: »
    I think that's the idea alright

    AOR will come out publicly apologise, and it'll prevent high profile people coming out spouting nonsense

    A mealy mouth apology will not prevent more high profile people coming out spouting nonsense.

    It will do exactly the opposite.

    That solicitor of PJ is a rottweiler with a bone. He is not for letting go.


  • #3330
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Mokuba wrote: »
    Some of the WhatsApp quotes I have seen shared were not by any of the 4 who were on trial.

    Yep, its gone out of hand. Watsapp messages being made up and doctored to further the #ibelieveher cause. Beyond ridiculous. Some people out there could do with laying off social media and seeking help.


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  • #3331
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    The laceration hasn't exactly been brushed over in all of this. It was dealt with in court and was the subject of testimony from a medical expert who confirmed that a vaginal laceration is not conclusive in determining whether penetration is consensual or not. Bleeding and small cuts can happen in consensual penetration, whether it be done with the fingers, penis or objects. Sure, it can be indicative that the sexual act was roughly or carelessly done, but it does not prove an absence of consent.

    I'll ask again ... what sort of penis makes lacerations inside the vagina? I've been having all sorts of vigourous sex for 20 years or more and I've never once caused lacerations or bleeding. There aren't any sharp surfaces on a penis.


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