Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Mokuba · 30-03-2018 01:51PM

Reati wrote: »

Yeah, that'll do them no end of favors. I assume the chap wants to go back to sport and not spend the next few years in court for spurious cases to win apologies...

The baying mob will not allow him to return. They will pressure sponsors, pressure the IRFU. He needs to silence them if he wants to play for Ulster again in his life. Otherwise he will be forced to play abroad for the rest of his career.

C__MC · 30-03-2018 01:52PM

Was there much uproar when Larry Murphy walked out of a jail as a convicted rapist? I can’t seem to remember, many protests? Just a genuine question

SleetAndSnow · 30-03-2018 01:52PM

https://twitter.com/_Argento/status/979693631417344001

this is exactly why they won't be allowed to move on with their lives.

dark crystal · 30-03-2018 01:52PM

markodaly wrote: »

Eh, it kinda does in a court of law. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If Guilt cannot be proven, the default position of innocence remains, therefore they remain innocent.

I am not debating the verdict at all, I am simply saying a not guilty verdict does not automatically equate to the plaintiff having lied. It just means the accusation was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

If all cases that ended in a 'not guilty' verdict equated to the plaintiff having lied, the justice system would be littered with plaintiffs being sued for perjury.

Reati · 30-03-2018 01:53PM

Nailz wrote: »

It appears that he'll be out of work for a while anyway, which likely wouldn't have been the case if it wasn't for the post-verdict backlash. I think he can afford to put the time to it, he'll probably want to try and swipe back at couple of the more prominent and public defamers while he's at it.

Might bag himself some monetary compensation as well.

It'll just extend the time he is out of work if he is tied up in more unnecessary legal drama.

super_furry · 30-03-2018 01:53PM

Nailz wrote: »

Might bag himself some monetary compensation as well.

Not if he's willing to go to court over something as weak as O'Riordan's tweet. I can't see him ending up with anything other than a big legal bill if that went all the way.

RuMan · 30-03-2018 01:54PM

Mokuba wrote: »

The baying mob will not allow him to return. They will pressure sponsors, pressure the IRFU. He needs to silence them if he wants to play for Ulster again in his life. Otherwise he will be forced to play abroad for the rest of his career.

he will earn decent money in france disgusting if he is forced abroad because of completely false rape allegations. Love to see him in the Ireland No 10 jersey again

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2018 01:54PM

dark crystal wrote: »

The same people will decry the Twitter mobs for the #ibelieveher stance (not saying I agree with it), yet say nothing about the other Twitter mobs calling her a liar and a slag without any evidence she was lying.

She can sue them.

mfceiling · 30-03-2018 01:54PM

Augeo wrote: »

what does this speel have to do with anything "Has won the Ulster schools cup (where you're treated like a god), from a good family, no previous convictions/never been in trouble with police, represented his province in professional rugby, represented his country in rugby, moved to the States on a scholarship for a few years, plays AIL rugby for the best club in Ulster" ?

Sorry what are you waffling about. You posted that the lad was working in a plastic factory and that was "karma".

Hoboo · 30-03-2018 01:54PM

Canterelle wrote: »

Yes one of the defence barristers tried this on, which imo was totally unfair. Plenty of people use this way of recounting events past, especially painful ones. That is why she should have had separate legal representation so that this kind of stuff wouldn’t be just allowed. The barrister wrongly in my opinion planted the idea in juries minds that this meant she was repeating a rehearsed speech.

I think it was rehearsed, just not well enough, but thats just my opinion.

From what I understand she had NO legal representation. Which is mind boggling. She is considered a witness to the Crown Prosecutions case. Im not clear if she had a choice and decided not to bother, or if she had no choice. If the former, thats ridiculously naive at best, if the latter, its disgraceful at best.

wexie · 30-03-2018 01:55PM

super_furry wrote: »

I can't see him ending up with anything other than a big legal bill if that went all the way.

I'd imagine that'll be covered by the lawsuit against the BBC....

sorry link :

irishrebe · 30-03-2018 01:55PM

professore wrote: »

Sidebaro wrote: »

To be honest, I've never heard of anyone not understanding it until you. Usually people get the sarcasm.

Well you are probably a lot younger than me.

When I was a teen a "nice guy" was a term of admiration. A guy who helps people. A guy who would save someone's life. A guy who would be there if you needed a friend. a guy not boasting and bragging about his sexual prowess or about how he's a male feminist. A guy who would stand up for himself and others weaker than him. A guy not overly concerned about his appearance.

A guy that if he was with a girl and a second guy came along he would tell him to **** off.

A proper man.

What you are describing is a sleazebag.

Good God. You see these little things " "? These are used to denote irony or sarcasm. Hence the difference between a nice guy and a "Nice Guy". I cannot believe this needs to be explained to you.

theoneeyedman · 30-03-2018 01:56PM

RuMan wrote: »

Hope he takes Amadan to the cleaners. He had consensual sex and committed no crime. Disgusting the way people like Amadan think they can ignore the courts ruling

There is no chance whatsoever of Jackson going to court on this.
Any lawyer (barrister?) would easily make it a rehash of the original trial. Jackson would be on the defensive, if anything would have to prove his innocence, which he would have difficulty doing I would suggest. He'd be nuts to open the can of worms again.

Been following the commentary during the week, and all I can say is WTF. I don't do twitter, but I never cease to be amazed about how the dumb, idiotic, and plain stupid attention seekers can't wait to spill their bile to all and sundry. That this includes public figures and politicians... Well... Says a lot about leadership in our society really.

RuMan · 30-03-2018 01:56PM

wexie wrote: »

I'd imagine that'll be covered by the lawsuit against the BBC....

Time to take a stand against the Twitter mob. Stand up for the ulster man

torqtorq · 30-03-2018 01:56PM

super_furry wrote: »

Not if he's willing to go to court over something as weak as O'Riordan's tweet. I can't see him ending up with anything other than a big legal bill if that went all the way.

Jackson will not need to go to court.

Hoboo · 30-03-2018 01:56PM

C__MC wrote: »

Was there much uproar when Larry Murphy walked out of a jail as a convicted rapist? I can’t seem to remember, many protests? Just a genuine question

Zero.

super_furry · 30-03-2018 01:57PM

wexie wrote: »

I'd imagine that'll be covered by the lawsuit against the BBC....

sorry link :

I'd doubt it. Very hard to imagine they'll be able to convince anyone that it wasn't in the public interest, which will no doubt be the BBC's defence, given the huge public interest in the trial and it's aftermath.

GreeBo · 30-03-2018 01:57PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Lunacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AO9C87mmYk

Sheesh Met Eireann didnt warn us that there were going to be so many snowflakes this weekend.

Flipper22 · 30-03-2018 01:57PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not familiar with the case: but the problems these guys face wasn't having a threesome - nothing wrong with that - it's the attitudes and language used in the whatsapp messages.

I think it's important not to tar them all with the same brush on that.

From anything I've seen reported, the only one of the four who really comes across badly is McIlroy, maybe Olding to a lesser extent. The whole tenor of the discussion was actually started by a different unnamed person in the group, not one of the four, who seems like a d*ck.

Jackson said very little, while Harrison comes across well.

Stonedpilot · 30-03-2018 01:58PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'd say the only thing wrong with half that crowd is they could do with a good night out in Coppers and let loose a little. Keeping up the pretence of man hating for little reason must be hard work when in reality 99.9999% of men are harmless.

True. Though Coppers is a kip.

These protests always full of unhinged men haters.

Always find it strange the whipped castrated men at these events.

They are Liable to be beaten to death with selfie sticks and camera tripods at amy moment if they brush off the wrong wrathful bitter feminst and she announces to the coven she has been sexually assualted.

jr86 · 30-03-2018 02:00PM

Haha great news re Aodhan O'Riordan. Lucking for cheap publicity and it has backfired spectacularly

Great opportunity here to hold people account for their daft ill-informed Tweets! Plenty more to come I imagine, given PJ's legal team are actively monitoring Social Media activity

Reati · 30-03-2018 02:00PM

Mokuba wrote: »

The baying mob will not allow him to return. They will pressure sponsors, pressure the IRFU. He needs to silence them if he wants to play for Ulster again in his life. Otherwise he will be forced to play abroad for the rest of his career.

You don't "silence" people. You piss them off and you drive more support to them and make them more determined.

tritium · 30-03-2018 02:00PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

So if she goes to a party with lads which everyone does as a teenager, she deserves to get raped?
Archaic arabic country alert alert!
My male friend just said to me, if he had a daughter he wouldnt let her out he would be so afraid. I have also said that i will not bring a daughter up in this country. I cry looking at all these comments, it so so hard to change male views in this country. They seem to enjoy being cold callous and hard.

You realize the 4 guys have been acquitted of rape right?

Do we just disregard the rule of law now when we don’t like the decision? Archaic country alert seems about right so.

And why is the girls drinking somehow off the agenda while the boys drinking is seen as more evidence of their decadence?

pumpkin4life · 30-03-2018 02:01PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

True. Though Coppers is a kip.

These protests always full of unhinged men haters.

Always find it strange the whipped castrated men at these events.

They are Liable to be beaten to death with selfie sticks and camera tripods at amy moment if they brush off the wrong wrathful bitter feminst and she announces to the coven she has been sexually assualted.

Maybe I will get the ride if I pretend to LIKE women!

Amalgam · 30-03-2018 02:02PM

This has been posted I guess.

Jackson to sue Labour senator over alleged defamatory tweet

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0330/951154-belfast-rape-trial/

Ulster and Ireland rugby player Paddy Jackson is to sue a Labour senator over an allegedly defamatory tweet he posted following Mr Jackson’s acquittal in the Belfast rape trial earlier this week.

In a statement issued by KRW Law, it said the legal action relates to a tweet sent by AodhRiord to a number of other persons "before it was eventually taken down".

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irishrebe · 30-03-2018 02:03PM

tritium wrote: »

Appledreams15 wrote: »

So if she goes to a party with lads which everyone does as a teenager, she deserves to get raped?
Archaic arabic country alert alert!
My male friend just said to me, if he had a daughter he wouldnt let her out he would be so afraid. I have also said that i will not bring a daughter up in this country. I cry looking at all these comments, it so so hard to change male views in this country. They seem to enjoy being cold callous and hard.

You realize the 4 guys have been acquitted of rape right?

Do we just disregard the rule of law now when we don’t like the decision? Archaic country alert seems about right so.

And why is the girls drinking somehow off the agenda while the boys drinking is seen as more evidence of their decadence?

There are dozens upon dozens of people saying that women should not expect to go to a house party or back to someone's house after a night of drinking without things becoming sexual.

Canterelle · 30-03-2018 02:05PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

True. Though Coppers is a kip.

These protests always full of unhinged men haters.

Always find it strange the whipped castrated men at these events.

They are Liable to be beaten to death with selfie sticks and camera tripods at amy moment if they brush off the wrong wrathful bitter feminst and she announces to the coven she has been sexually assualted.

And these “subtle” comments, including the earlier one about the “smell of unwashed fanny” show the mindset that needs protesting against.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2018 02:06PM

spaceHopper wrote: »

He's a fool, to win a defamation case he has to have a good name to defend. Even though he was celeard of the rape charge he does not have a good name after the text messages alone. He'd be better off looking for a team in France to take him on. What Irish sponsor will what a photo of him published with their logo on the jersey.

This could be settled out of court. Or it could be found in favour of Jackson, or against him in court. Jumping to the conclusion that he has no chance of winning is ill advised.

C__MC · 30-03-2018 02:06PM

Social media at its best lately. There is a petation going about for the 4 lads never to play rugby for Ireland again. You couldn’t make it up.

torqtorq · 30-03-2018 02:07PM

Murray and Zebo have had no issue with sponsors.

They make a video recording of themselves having a threesome - which finds its way onto the internet - but yet they are paragons of virtue with PR teams drip feeding softly softly press articles.

These men have been found not guilty and should be treated as such.

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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