Dairy chit chat II

jaymla627 · 26-03-2018 10:30PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What bulls are ye planning on using this year?

Westcoast perisus, westcoast Neptune and westcoast Yamasaka are the new additions to the flask and have boldi admiration/armour, jabir, lavaman, mainstream manifold in the flask from last year

kevthegaff · 26-03-2018 10:40PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Off tonight to E. Europe on my quarterly reminder of the fragility of W. European family farms...

I was in poland before visiting a dairy farm with 50 cows, so we wee invited into the house, and 2 of the sons appear hungover in their late 40s single, our translate r told me they prefer the drink than milking. Father was nearly seventy doing most of the work!

mf240 · 26-03-2018 10:42PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fr2298
Fr2239
Fr2314
Fr4513
Fr4532
Fr4510
Fr4337
Fr4482
Lwr

No Jersey or Scandinavian reds. ?

mahoney_j · 26-03-2018 10:47PM

mf240 wrote: »

No Jersey or Scandinavian reds. ?

Thinking of a few shorthorns .....

visatorro · 26-03-2018 10:54PM

Listening to the rain battering my window tells me girls won't be out for a walk tomorrow!

Reggie. · 26-03-2018 10:57PM

visatorro wrote: »

Listening to the rain battering my window tells me girls won't be out for a walk tomorrow!

Fair drop hitting the roof here too

alps · 26-03-2018 11:11PM

Hate this number bull identifier...just can't remember them and they give me no sence of identity like the 3 letter code, and could always link that code in my mind to a bull name...

Absolutely lost now, but part of me thinks that that may have been a little bit of the purpose of the change..

Gawddawggonnit · 26-03-2018 11:34PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I was in poland before visiting a dairy farm with 50 cows, so we wee invited into the house, and 2 of the sons appear hungover in their late 40s single, our translate r told me they prefer the drink than milking. Father was nearly seventy doing most of the work!

Yep. Bunch of drunkards Kev. What a shame.Useless drunkard fcukwits..,
We’re so lucky that we’ve our Sh1t together...

Are you content with that spiel?? Really?

I’m going further east.
Hippy, hoppy, happy, families. All’s good and dandy!

:)

Sigh!
6000ha Farm. Imagine if it changed direction..

yewtree · 26-03-2018 11:35PM

alps wrote: »

Hate this number bull identifier...just can't remember them and they give me no sence of identity like the 3 letter code, and could always link that code in my mind to a bull name...

Absolutely lost now, but part of me thinks that that may have been a little bit of the purpose of the change..

I could never remember the 3 letter bull codes never mind the 6 character ones now, I always used the end of the name, (Hugo/Dano).

whelan2 · 27-03-2018 10:32AM

Fair play to pg with the top 6 dairy bulls in the country.

yewtree · 27-03-2018 12:21PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Fair play to pg with the top 6 dairy bulls in the country.

We use a good bit of their stuff, very happy with their crossbred and Jersey bulls particularly the stuff from CRV

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-03-2018 08:23PM

Finally finished hanging the gates in the shed today and the first evening I've been inside before 8pm since it started. All the gates are now hanging and the welder even put up a gate for the end of the crush that's been hanging around now for two years.

It's a nice feeling to have gates that hang and open easily rather than be tied to a H-iron with rope:rolleyes:

Just 40 cubicles left to go down in a months time and a backing gate for the collecting yard and scraper for the cubicles.

Yeah, I'm getting lazy in my old age:)

Mooooo · 27-03-2018 08:26PM

yewtree wrote: »

We use a good bit of their stuff, very happy with their crossbred and Jersey bulls particularly the stuff from CRV

What Jersey bulls would lads use as a first cross? May try a few this spring,

jaymla627 · 27-03-2018 08:53PM

Mooooo wrote: »

yewtree wrote: »

We use a good bit of their stuff, very happy with their crossbred and Jersey bulls particularly the stuff from CRV

What Jersey bulls would lads use as a first cross? May try a few this spring,

Have some lovey vj link cross heifer calves here, don't know if he's still available though

Mooooo · 27-03-2018 09:12PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have some lovey vj link cross heifer calves here, don't know if he's still available though

Are the Jersey all new bulls as well?. Is there any proven ones still available that would have daughters milking or would lads have crosses of them here milking with a few years?

kevthegaff · 27-03-2018 09:27PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Iâ€™m going further east. Hippy, hoppy, happy, families. Allâ€™s good and dandy!

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Are you content with that spiel?? Really?

Reliable source ;-), are you not a little weary investing further East.. great land but bandit country parts

alps · 27-03-2018 10:37PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fr2298
Fr2239
Fr2314
Fr4513
Fr4532
Fr4510
Fr4337
Fr4482
Lwr

You are going seriously hard with Oman there Mahoney......including several of them with Oman on both the Sire and Dams side....would you be concerned at all about that?

I refused to breed cows here to suggested bulls that were really closely related, mainly were Oman and Dano...

yewtree · 27-03-2018 10:53PM

Mooooo wrote: »

What Jersey bulls would lads use as a first cross? May try a few this spring,

We used a lot of okm, pka and lxk as frist cross, probably used to much okm.
Have some nice npy and hkk heifers and 2nd lactation cows now.
At this stage we are using a lot of b+w bulls on the jex cows
Will use triplestar as a pure Jersey this year

Mooooo · 28-03-2018 12:06AM

yewtree wrote: »

We used a lot of okm, pka and lxk as frist cross, probably used to much okm.
Have some nice npy and hkk heifers and 2nd lactation cows now.
At this stage we are using a lot of b+w bulls on the jex cows
Will use triplestar as a pure Jersey this year

Do you find the udder holds up as number of lactation increases? Would there be many to avoid on that front?

GrasstoMilk · 28-03-2018 08:59AM

yewtree wrote: »

We used a lot of okm, pka and lxk as frist cross, probably used to much okm.
Have some nice npy and hkk heifers and 2nd lactation cows now.
At this stage we are using a lot of b+w bulls on the jex cows
Will use triplestar as a pure Jersey this year

Got triplestar here too to put in the pure Breds. Have all of 4 pb je heifers to breed. Most we've ever had in the one batch

mahoney_j · 28-03-2018 09:08AM

alps wrote: »

You are going seriously hard with Oman there Mahoney......including several of them with Oman on both the Sire and Dams side....would you be concerned at all about that?

I refused to breed cows here to suggested bulls that were really closely related, mainly were Oman and Dano...

Not one bit tbh ,inbreeding check on sire advice covers it and I’m happy to go with it ,Oman and most of his offspring are breeding seriously good stock

alps · 28-03-2018 12:02PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Not one bit tbh ,inbreeding check on sire advice covers it and I’m happy to go with it ,Oman and most of his offspring are breeding seriously good stock

Can't argue with a master Mahoney, especially with the figures you are achieving, but the fact that line breeding is the inverse of hybrid vigour, are we now not far away from the point of most of our top gene pool being related?

You will have to search extremely hard to find any bulls not related to Oman, Hugo, Dano and Keet, and am concerned that inbreeding is being overlooked to an extent in the pursuit of the genomic figure..

However, when we see the achievements of the likes of yourself, following this route to the letter, it's probably foolish of the rest of us not to have more confidence in it.

I do suspect that you do a lot of research on the bulls you end up choosing and this may take out the random risk of just using the top bulls.

I have been on farm's where the operator have felt they were doing the right thing by blanket using the top bulls year after year without being targeted, and without aimimg for any real animal type.

I've seen some poor results from this type of usage, with huge variation in animal size, type and production, and would be suggesting that many of these operators would see better whole herd gain if they used proven bulls.

It's stunning to see the amount of guys that do not know what kind of cow they want, what she may look like, and how to go about breeding to get her..

I can't understand using "bull of the day"

blackdog1 · 28-03-2018 02:03PM

alps wrote:

Can't argue with a master Mahoney, especially with the figures you are achieving, but the fact that line breeding is the inverse of hybrid vigour, are we now not far away from the point of most of our top gene pool being related?

I love when people talk about hybrid vigour. I was in a meeting in West Cork when a farmer who was crossing with Jerseys stood up and said he had Jersey milk and holstein solids..

doesn't always work. They're plenty of outcrosses out there but you'll have to use foreign bulls more as they have a bigger selection but lower ebi. Then again how many people would bite your hand off to get Lord Lilly or Hairybreeze straws? And they were all foreign bulls with low ebi.

jaymla627 · 28-03-2018 02:17PM

alps wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Not one bit tbh ,inbreeding check on sire advice covers it and I’m happy to go with it ,Oman and most of his offspring are breeding seriously good stock

Can't argue with a master Mahoney, especially with the figures you are achieving, but the fact that line breeding is the inverse of hybrid vigour, are we now not far away from the point of most of our top gene pool being related?

You will have to search extremely hard to find any bulls not related to Oman, Hugo, Dano and Keet, and am concerned that inbreeding is being overlooked to an extent in the pursuit of the genomic figure..

However, when we see the achievements of the likes of yourself, following this route to the letter, it's probably foolish of the rest of us not to have more confidence in it.

I do suspect that you do a lot of research on the bulls you end up choosing and this may take out the random risk of just using the top bulls.

I have been on farm's where the operator have felt they were doing the right thing by blanket using the top bulls year after year without being targeted, and without aimimg for any real animal type.

I've seen some poor results from this type of usage, with huge variation in animal size, type and production, and would be suggesting that many of these operators would see better whole herd gain if they used proven bulls.

It's stunning to see the amount of guys that do not know what kind of cow they want, what she may look like, and how to go about breeding to get her..

I can't understand using "bull of the day"

Westcoast Yamasaka looks like a great outcross, got a great deal on him from ai rep, still see he's over 40 a pop on website though, a lot of this years heifers here are outcrosses and it's unbelievable how much stronger and tougher they seem to the Oman/shottle sons I had through the previous few years heifers

yewtree · 28-03-2018 02:44PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Do you find the udder holds up as number of lactation increases? Would there be many to avoid on that front?

I haven't had any issues with udders, I found some of the Danish je bulls a bit lighter boned and ended up a bit too light as mature cows.
If you decide to crossbred a few probably won't go to far wrong with okm and triplestar.

Timmaay · 28-03-2018 06:50PM

Last 3 cows happily calved outside here, all them sitting in the sun happy out with their calves all day, no need for me to interfer with anything, you can talk all you like about 6wk calving targets, 1 2 3 rule etc etc, but hard to beat letting mother nature get on with itself when it allows!

whelan2 · 28-03-2018 07:00PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Last 3 cows happily calved outside here, all them sitting in the sun happy out with their calves all day, no need for me to interfer with anything, you can talk all you like about 6wk calving targets, 1 2 3 rule etc etc, but hard to beat letting mother nature get on with itself when it allows!

All's good when it goes to plan. Just be careful if weather changes.

Mooooo · 28-03-2018 07:10PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I love when people talk about hybrid vigour. I was in a meeting in West Cork when a farmer who was crossing with Jerseys stood up and said he had Jersey milk and holstein solids.. doesn't always work. They're plenty of outcrosses out there but you'll have to use foreign bulls more as they have a bigger selection but lower ebi. Then again how many people would bite your hand off to get Lord Lilly or Hairybreeze straws? And they were all foreign bulls with low ebi.

I wonder did lads go in with jerseys on cows that perhaps should have stuck with hol/fr? Cows that may have been low milk to begin with etc. Plan here is any young heifer once bulling may get one as rolling over stock will be gone as switching to spring, more to get heifer calved easier and up and running as opposed to getting replacements, and then as I need to keep numbers any high yielders that have rolled over in the past may get one as well.

Timmaay · 28-03-2018 07:13PM

whelan2 wrote: »

All's good when it goes to plan. Just be careful if weather changes.

Yeh I thought about putting all the drys on the maize stubble and draw silage to them, but too far away and fair bit of effort if the weather changed, instead the springers are in a paddock beside the shed and can pull the pin quick if needed.

whelan2 · 28-03-2018 07:18PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Yeh I thought about putting all the drys on the maize stubble and draw silage to them, but too far away and fair bit of effort if the weather changed, instead the springers are in a paddock beside the shed and can pull the pin quick if needed.

Lost a couple last spring when the weather changed. How long are you leaving the calves on the cows?

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