Buncrana pier victims family being sued

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 06:17PM

cantdecide wrote: »

Her [very real] misery and hardship is not a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering of the family. What could she possibly gain or regain from this that wouldn't come at greater cost to a family that have suffered so much as it is.

Things happen in life that change us. We don't get to sue for it, especially when the subject of proceedings have lost so much more than us. It wouldn't even occur to most people.

i dont knowbut she must feel she has something to gain.

i can see how she could be very seriously effected physologically. maybe it stopped her working. i dont know. the artical gives no reasoning for he actions.

McMurphy · 26-03-2018 06:17PM

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

I didn’t see anywhere in the article that says she is a nurse. She’s described as a cardiac physiologist (whatever the fook that is) No record of a Stephanie Knox registered with the UK NMC or the NMBI.

Not condoning her actions for one moment, but nurses are human too, the trauma she and Davitt Walsh witnessed was horrific, anyone would struggle and I am sure all of the EMS involved were offered support/debriefing in the aftermath. Regardless of her profession however, the decision to sue the family is disgraceful.

The emergency services (the likes of fire service, the Gards and health workers) are usually the first people at the scene of such tragic circumstances, and occasionally priests etc.

What would society come to if they all started suing because of trauma witnessed because they did their jobs?

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 06:19PM

Yakult wrote: »

She didn't see ****. It wasn't her who went into the water to rescue the child. :rolleyes:

really. wow thats crazy. i havnt followed the story closely

GavRedKing · 26-03-2018 06:19PM

I had to read the article as it wasn't clear but my understanding from the accident was that a man rescued to the child, from news reports at the time.

Why isn't he suing too or is he actually a decent bloke just delighted to be able to help at least save 1 life.

Kevwoody · 26-03-2018 06:20PM

Dont know where everyone is getting the idea she's suing the car insurance company?
It clearly says in the article she's suing Mr McGrottys estate, and presented a claim directly to the deceased mans father.

26-03-2018 06:23PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Wow . I didn't know a bystander could sue for being upset after a crash.
My first thought would be that I was very lucky to be able to help .

from what I saw when i worked for an insurance company, this is minor.

people claiming compensation from the families of deceased people, or their insurance company at least, is pretty common.

screamer · 26-03-2018 06:23PM

Jesus wept. But karma's a bitch.

NIMAN · 26-03-2018 06:23PM

.... Edited due to incorrect info

Conor Bourke · 26-03-2018 06:23PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Nurses and medics and ambulance people are human of course . But they are better able to cope because of their profession . I once came across a horrible accident and till this day am so proud I could help . I came home and cried and shook and was terribly upset . At no stage would it enter my head to make it about me or burden a family even more
My god I am stunned that anyone would do that

The assumption that nurses/ems workers are somehow more immune to suffering than the average person is incorrect. They might be good at keeping a cool head in a crisis and working hard to save lives in the heat of the moment but they’re affected whether you realise it or not. Individually some are better at rationalising it, some have excellent support systems provided by their employers to help them process the emotional impact but at times many share your exact experience of being glad to help but upset, tearful, shaken by what they witness.

Anyway, all of that appears to be irrelevant in this incidence as Ms. Knox is not on either the UK or Irish nursing registers as far as I can see.

26-03-2018 06:23PM

Kevwoody wrote: »

Dont know where everyone is getting the idea she's suing the car insurance company?
It clearly says in the article she's suing Mr McGrottys estate, and presented a claim directly to the deceased mans father.

who will then pass it straight on to the insurance company.

McMurphy · 26-03-2018 06:24PM

Kevwoody wrote: »

Dont know where everyone is getting the idea she's suing the car insurance company?
It clearly says in the article she's suing Mr McGrottys estate, and presented a claim directly to the deceased mans father.

I was just about to post same.

The father made that very clear in the article.

Mr Noel McGrotty, aged 86, confirmed he received a letter on behalf of Ms Knox on the eve of the second anniversary of the tragedy recently.

He confirmed the claim is for an undisclosed amount of money for loss of earnings and other matters.

Mr McGrotty told the Derry News that he does not know why the legal letter arrived at his home as he is not the executor of his late son’s estate.

Trigger Happy · 26-03-2018 06:27PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I was just about to post same.

The father made that very clear in the article.

You can only sue an insurance company for something like them refusing to honor a contract you have with them - eg not paying a valid claim.
Otherwise you sue the people, or estate of those you believe are responsible.
The insurance company may end up paying out at the end of the day if the claim is awarded and covered...but you dont sue them.

kerry cow · 26-03-2018 06:28PM

Like ,I am shocked to read back over previous posts and it been news to me that the driver was 3 times over the legal limit .
What are people thinking .
I wouldn't reverse my car out the drive and back in again if I had a smell of it .

NIMAN · 26-03-2018 06:30PM

kerry cow wrote: »

Like ,I am shocked to read back over previous posts and it been news to me that the driver was 3 times over the legal limit .
What are people thinking .
I wouldn't reverse my car out the drive and back in again if I had a smell of it .

I stand corrected, she sued the council for a slippy path

Conor Bourke · 26-03-2018 06:31PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The emergency services (the likes of fire service, the Gards and health workers) are usually the first people at the scene of such tragic circumstances, and occasionally priests etc.

What would society come to if they all started suing because of trauma witnessed because they did their jobs?

Where did I say that they would or should? I’m appalled at what she’s doing, but yet again i must point out that it’s irrelevant as she’s not a registered nurse and I don’t know where people are getting this from as in the article it says she’s a cardiac physiologist.

theteal · 26-03-2018 06:35PM

A week early for these kind of stories?

NIMAN · 26-03-2018 06:35PM

It's the way of the world I'm afraid, where there is a quick buck to be made, people will take it.

iamwhoiam · 26-03-2018 06:35PM

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

The assumption that nurses/ems workers are somehow more immune to suffering than the average person is incorrect. They might be good at keeping a cool head in a crisis and working hard to save lives in the heat of the moment but they’re affected whether you realise it or not. Individually some are better at rationalising it, some have excellent support systems provided by their employers to help them process the emotional impact but at times many share your exact experience of being glad to help but upset, tearful, shaken by what they witness.

Anyway, all of that appears to be irrelevant in this incidence as Ms. Knox is not on either the UK or Irish nursing registers as far as I can see.

I know they are not immune to suffering ? I never said they were ? But they are better able to cope on the spot due to training . I know because I am one !
Not once did I say they were immune what I said was they are better able to cope right then . Afterwards they suffer and are traumatised like everyone else
Maybe I put it badly but I was actually speaking as a nurse who is just as human as the next person and that was my exact point

McMurphy · 26-03-2018 06:35PM

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

Where did I say that they would or should? I’m appalled at what she’s doing, but yet again i must point out that it’s irrelevant as she’s not a registered nurse and I don’t know where people are getting this from as in the article it says she’s a cardiac physiologist.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that that's what you were implying, I was merely pointing out that because of the nature of their jobs, they inevitably would be first on the scene to such tragic incidents, hence why suing for trauma would be far from the norm from them.

iamwhoiam · 26-03-2018 06:40PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that that's what you were implying, I was merely pointing out that because of the nature of their jobs, they inevitably would be first on the scene to such tragic incidents, hence why suing for trauma would be far from the norm from them.

I agree with you . Nurses and medical staff are by no means immune to being traumatised but the nature of their jobs would overwhelmingly stop them from suing for the trauma

Yakult · 26-03-2018 06:47PM

NIMAN wrote: »

It's the way of the world I'm afraid, where there is a quick buck to be made, people will take it.

Not a chance she will make a penny from this.

Hopefully she loses a nice bit of money too while trying.

**** this sue culture.

Conor Bourke · 26-03-2018 06:48PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know they are not immune to suffering ? I never said they were ? But they are better able to cope on the spot due to training . I know because I am one !
Not once did I say they were immune what I said was they are better able to cope right then . Afterwards they suffer and are traumatised like everyone else
Maybe I put it badly but I was actually speaking as a nurse who is just as human as the next person and that was my exact point

I am one too

I know what you mean, I think we would or at least should have a better understanding or how to manage our own upset in the face of trauma. I’d also like to think that a frontline health care professional would have more dignity than to go suing a family so horribly bereaved. On a most basic level you would expect that their place of work would provide the appropriate supports to allow them to process such an experience.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record here though, Ms. Knox doesn’t appear to be a nurse so it’s really not relevant.

suicide_circus · 26-03-2018 06:48PM

Knowing that the family is suing the council for not putting an anti-moron barrier on the slip way (slippery when wet, who knew?) makes me have less sympathy for them now they are being sued by this gowl.

iamwhoiam · 26-03-2018 06:53PM

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

I am one too I know what you mean, I think we would or at least should have a better understanding or how to manage our own upset in the face of trauma. I’d also like to think that a frontline health care professional would have more dignity than to go suing a family so horribly bereaved. On a most basic level you would expect that their place of work would provide the appropriate supports to allow them to process such an experience.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record here though, Ms. Knox doesn’t appear to be a nurse so it’s really not relevant.

Yes agree with all that . Many a time I came home and watched a tear jerker film so I could cry and let it out !
She is a frontline carer if not a nurse and at some stage would have had some training in dealing with trauma . Regardless though of her job she is a human being who should empathise with an already deeply traumatised family

kerry cow · 26-03-2018 06:53PM

Imo there should be no such BS as , sues this one and that .it has become such a commercialised way of life .
There's right and wrong .end of story .
He drovee his family while braking the law .
That whole event is sad and should be left as it is .
Stop the commercial .

MOH · 26-03-2018 07:02PM

Laneyh wrote: »

Jesus, if that report is accurate she is the lowest of the low

If that report is accurate, she wrapped the bay up. Which is pretty impressive.

KERSPLAT! · 26-03-2018 07:06PM

Would like to read more details on exactly what's happening before ripping shreds from her, it obviously doesn't paint her in a good light though.

QueenRizla · 26-03-2018 07:07PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Knowing that the family is suing the council for not putting an anti-moron barrier on the slip way (slippery when wet, who knew?) makes me have less sympathy for them now they are being sued by this gowl.

Yeah, him being drunk probably made the car insurance route complicated? So widow sues the council. Be interesting to know if ‘Nurse’ lady is suing widow or car insurance. If the widow got a massive payout from council, nurse might have been advised to do it by the ambulance chasers.

tashiusclay · 26-03-2018 07:16PM

Shocking behavior if her behaviour appears to be what it seems to be at face value. Subscribed, hoping there's more to it than this.

saintsaltynuts · 26-03-2018 07:31PM

She needs a good old rethink about this.Quite a backlash on Social Media already.Could end up a really disliked person in my opinion.

Buncrana pier victims family being sued

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