Room to Improve.

yabadabado · 25-03-2018 11:56PM

memorystick wrote: »

Deep down people are jealous of teachers. Shortish days, long holidays and ok pay. If she was a nurse they wouldn't be half as hard on her.

Haha you're not serious are you?

Mountainsandh · 25-03-2018 11:56PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

she was very rude. look at the colour of the windows debate. im right im right, your wrong. then demot shows her the sample and its you must have changed the sample. total cow.

I don't know. She didn't call him any names, she just insisted she had been shown a different sample, and I'm not sure I trust Dermot's word that it absolutely was the same sample.

Why trust Dermot more than her ? he has shown before that he forgot stuff or got things wrong on the show.

yabadabado · 25-03-2018 11:58PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I don't get all the hate.
She wasn't rude, she was assertive, and she knew what she liked and what they needed, and wasn't prepared to run with the script of : "oh, I didn't want that but wasn't Dermot great to add it, now I love it".

I didn't like the house finished very much, I would have done it completely differently.

She was extremely rude and downright ignorant at times. Rolling her eyes like Kevin and Perry when Dermot was talking made her look like a right childish bitch.

meeeeh · 26-03-2018 12:00AM

Patty O Furniture wrote: »

If Dermot wants to give up the day job, he wanted to be a pilot one time

Am I the only one who made very inappropriate joke about architects who occasionally end up on tv and like planes.

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2018 12:01AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

e has shown before that he forgot stuff or got things wrong on the show.

That is exactly why this jury would tend to believe him.

She strikes me as somebody who is very willing to dig a hole and finds it difficult to get out of it.

nuac · 26-03-2018 12:01AM

On tonight's episode ( two storey house on farm )

I didn't see all of this, but I thought the dispute towards the end between Bannon and the client over the floor in the g f living space was contrived. She wanted tiles, Bannon wanted timber. Their discussion seemed to be scripted.

I also see a large picture window appeared in the frontage of rebuilt extension. Clashes with the existing windows in the rest of frontage. Many town planners would not be happy, Missed discussion on that.

mycro2013 · 26-03-2018 12:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep .....and exactly the same things happening with First Dates- people being shredded on social media ....it will be the downfall of a lot of these programmes.

That being said that girl tonight was extremely rude . There is a way of getting your point across and being assertive . Dermot did well to be as graceful about it as he was.

I’d say she’ll look back programme in years to come and regret what she said & how she came across .

The issue with room to improve is the people taking part usually have no construction or television experience and are made look foolish for the basis of television.

It is the job of the architect and other professionals to lay out the best options and enable the client make informed decisions.

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 12:04AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I don't know. She didn't call him any names, she just insisted she had been shown a different sample, and I'm not sure I trust Dermot's word that it absolutely was the same sample.

Why trust Dermot more than her ? he has shown before that he forgot stuff or got things wrong on the show.

thats fair enough too. he has a history of tweeking stuff behind the customers back.

but saying that why not look at the paperwork and see if its what was ordered

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:04AM

yabadabado wrote: »

She was extremely rude and downright ignorant at times. Rolling her eyes like Kevin and Perry when Dermot was talking made her look like a right childish bitch.

Your perception of rude is not the same as mine then.
She did exactly what I often think whenever I do get to watch the show.

I think people started taking offense on behalf of Dermot when she gave him 1 out of 10 for the drawings.

After that she was just plainly speaking her mind, not sugarcoating things, and clearly letting him know that some of his gimmicks were absolutely not a priority for her, that they were the ones who were going to be living in the house, and that their needs and wants were more important than Dermot's enthusiasm for particular architectural features.

She never once insulted him, she just spoke her mind. That "S" word comes to mind when I see people getting all riled up about it.

digzy · 26-03-2018 12:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep .....and exactly the same things happening with First Dates- people being shredded on social media ....it will be the downfall of a lot of these programmes.

That being said that girl tonight was extremely rude . There is a way of getting your point across and being assertive . Dermot did well to be as graceful about it as he was.

I’d say she’ll look back programme in years to come and regret what she said & how she came across .

No she won’t! I’ve the misfortune of dealing with her father on a few occasions in a professional capacity....let’s just say ‘she didn’t lick it off a stone’!!

freshpopcorn · 26-03-2018 12:07AM

memorystick wrote: »

Deep down people are jealous of teachers. Shortish days, long holidays and ok pay. If she was a nurse they wouldn't be half as hard on her.

I watched this with a teacher tonight and she said she was like a lot of the teacher she knows.

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:08AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is exactly why this jury would tend to believe him.

She strikes me as somebody who is very willing to dig a hole and finds it difficult to get out of it.

Well possible too, and that's what made the conflict good tv, well balanced in that Dermot had to come to terms with someone who was absolutely not going to accept his vision entirely, and she was caught out on that particular thing, and the oak staircase (on which they actually compromised off-set) imo.

It's good to show/be shown real people, warts and all, and not just the usual script.

L'prof · 26-03-2018 12:10AM

https://twitter.com/deccy1919/status/978010093462720513?s=20

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2018 12:11AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Well possible too, and that's what made the conflict good tv, well balanced in that Dermot had to come to terms with someone who was absolutely not going to accept his vision entirely, and she was caught out on that particular thing, and the oak staircase (on which they actually compromised off-set) imo.

It's good to show/be shown real people, warts and all, and not just the usual script.

I think her rudeness was not just accepting that she got the window colour wrong. She had her chance to accept the blame on it. She insisted on insinuating a professional would lie about it and change the sample. I would find that a walk away issue tbh.

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:12AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I watched this with a teacher tonight and she said she was like a lot of the teacher she knows.

Assertive ?
Confident ?
Analytical of their own needs, and takes decisions in consequence ?
Able to say "no" ?

mycro2013 · 26-03-2018 12:13AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

nobody believes that speal about the customer is always right.
they very rarely are, they are usually completely wrong on so many level its a joke. the trick is twisting it around so that you are rigth but they think they are

You can lead a horse to water and all that jazz. I've encountered similar issues, if clients won't listen fair enough.It's their money not mine which is being wasted.

GT_TDI_150 · 26-03-2018 12:13AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I don't know. She didn't call him any names, she just insisted she had been shown a different sample, and I'm not sure I trust Dermot's word that it absolutely was the same sample.

Why trust Dermot more than her ? he has shown before that he forgot stuff or got things wrong on the show.

But he has always said ... ah yeah i order those because they match x or y better... here he straight away said but thats the color you picked...

I think there was a telling line early on where she said something along the lines of 'even if dermot is right i'll have to stick to my guns its gone too far to back down'
So if hes right shell go against him for fear of loosing face?! Is she 12 or what?

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 12:14AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Well possible too, and that's what made the conflict good tv, well balanced in that Dermot had to come to terms with someone who was absolutely not going to accept his vision entirely, and she was caught out on that particular thing, and the oak staircase (on which they actually compromised off-set) imo.

It's good to show/be shown real people, warts and all, and not just the usual script.

the problem isnt that she wouldnt accept his vision . it is that she flatly refused to take on board the vision of the guy that is paid to produce that vision. he can only go on what she wants (husband seemed to have no say) and tells him. if she wants xyz then tell him that.

she didnt want the usuall dermot designed house. all his houses follow the same rough ideals. she wanted something else so why didnt she get an architect that does what she wants.

you dont go into burgerking and tell them their icecream isnt the same as a mc flurry.

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:15AM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

But he has always said ... ah yeah i order those because they match x or y better... here he straight away said but thats the color you picked...

I think there was a telling line early on where she said something along the lines of 'even if dermot is right i'll have to stick to my guns its gone too far to back down'
So if hes right shell go against him for fear of loosing face?! Is she 12 or what?

That was her way of admitting she was wrong on camera...

jimbobaloobob · 26-03-2018 12:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep .....and exactly the same things happening with First Dates- people being shredded on social media ....it will be the downfall of a lot of these programmes.

That being said that girl tonight was extremely rude . There is a way of getting your point across and being assertive . Dermot did well to be as graceful about it as he was.

I’d say she’ll look back programme in years to come and regret what she said & how she came across .

I don't see it as the fault of the programme (or first dates) , its what society thinks is now acceptable to do. Not saying in any way its right but if the majority taught it was wrong it wouldn't catch flame.

r93kaey5p2izun · 26-03-2018 12:19AM

I thought the girl tonight was rude. I agree with her completely about open plan but there was no need to speak to Dermot how she did. But the comments on twitter and some here are way over the top. The very people criticising her poor behaviour are making nasty abusive comments about her and the husband too. These people need to look in the mirror. They too are making a show of themselves on a public forum.

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:20AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

the problem isnt that she wouldnt accept his vision . it is that she flatly refused to take on board the vision of the guy that is paid to produce that vision. he can only go on what she wants (husband seemed to have no say) and tells him. if she wants xyz then tell him that.

she didnt want the usuall dermot designed house. all his houses follow the same rough ideals. she wanted something else so why didnt she get an architect that does what she wants.

you dont go into burgerking and tell them their icecream isnt the same as a mc flurry.

But she said she told him she wanted a room with a single door that you could close, and even referred to a room in her old home that had 3 or 4 doors going into it.

Did he respect that in his plan ?
Nope.
He pushed and pushed and pushed for open plan.

I get that she shouldn't have applied for the show, there isn't a hope in hell I'd have had Dermot working on my house when we were renovating. There must be incentives for them to go with the show, or maybe like I said above, it's just hope that a professional may in fact deliver a vision that ticks all the client's boxes, not just his.

jon1981 · 26-03-2018 12:20AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Assertive ?
Confident ?
Analytical of their own needs, and takes decisions in consequence ?
Able to say "no" ?

Let's not mistake confident and assertive with ignorance and rude.

She was belittling and she has the right husband for her, he couldn't give a toss what shes like once the dinner is on the table.

Inside 2 yrs she got well in there!

freshpopcorn · 26-03-2018 12:21AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Assertive ?
Confident ?
Analytical of their own needs, and takes decisions in consequence ?
Able to say "no" ?

The teacher I watched this with said she didn't like the woman at all. She's worked with similar people in the past and she said she wouldn't like to be working with her from working with similar people in the past mainly due to how closed minded she was. It was her way or no way.
An example would be An expert in a certain area would be asked to speak to the teachers and some teachers would be totally closed minded and take nothing on board because they know best because there in charge and the boss even if they are proven wrong.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-03-2018 12:23AM

Can't be nice for her to see everyone on here running her down and making fun of her.
She's probably on here reading all this. Probably a Boardies too .

It's just a show, edited for dramatics and to get responses . None of us know her, she's just a normal lovely girl in reality no doubt.

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 12:24AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

But she said she told him she wanted a room with a single door that you could close, and even referred to a room in her old home that had 3 or 4 doors going into it.

Did he respect that in his plan ?
Nope.
He pushed and pushed and pushed for open plan.

I get that she shouldn't have applied for the show, there isn't a hope in hell I'd have had Dermot working on my house when we were renovating. There must be incentives for them to go with the show, or maybe like I said above, it's just hope that a professional may in fact deliver a vision that ticks all the client's boxes, not just his.

there is whole other sitting room at the other side of the house to sit in . it has only one door and did so from the ver start. it is the one that thye plan to turn into a downstairs bedroom if they eve end up crippled or not able to make it upstairs.

i actually liked the doors at the end . it made it a bit more of a snug room to chill out in but still be near the kitchen. i wouldnt have done the double stud and pocket doors. 4 doors that opend back to completley open the space would have been better

GT_TDI_150 · 26-03-2018 12:24AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

But she said she told him she wanted a room with a single door that you could close, and even referred to a room in her old home that had 3 or 4 doors going into it.

Did he respect that in his plan ?
Nope.
He pushed and pushed and pushed for open plan.

I get that she shouldn't have applied for the show, there isn't a hope in hell I'd have had Dermot working on my house when we were renovating. There must be incentives for them to go with the show, or maybe like I said above, it's just hope that a professional may in fact deliver a vision that ticks all the client's boxes, not just his.

He gave them the parlour .... with one door

Mountainsandh · 26-03-2018 12:26AM

I thought that Dermot was very wrong in saying that the whole point he was there was to give his opinion.

He's wanted as an architect for his expertise, his opinion really should not be that important.

Imo an architect has all the technical knowledge to propose options that are within regulations and budget, and answer the clients' needs first and foremost.

How this has been morphed into one man imposing his concepts on all and sundry is puzzling. Or maybe not. That's controversial, and meant to be for tv.

the_pen_turner · 26-03-2018 12:27AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can't be nice for her to see everyone on here running her down and making fun of her.
She's probably on here reading all this. Probably a Boardies too .

It's just a show, edited for dramatics and to get responses . None of us know her, she's just a normal lovely girl in reality no doubt.

thats fair enough but we can only comment on what we see. if its accurate then what can she complain about. if its not then take it up with the makers of the programme.

if you dont want to be thought of as being rude and horrible then dont be like that

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2018 12:27AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can't be nice for her to see everyone on here running her down and making fun of her.
She's probably on here reading all this. Probably a Boardies too .

It's just a show, edited for dramatics and to get responses . None of us know her, she's just a normal lovely girl in reality no doubt.

I get what you are saying. But she did make a big deal about her right to say what she felt.

I have no problem with people having strong opinions but there is also respect and manners in any client-professional relationship. Marking his first plan as a 1 out of 10 was awfully disrespectful imo.

Room to Improve.

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