Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

tomasrojo · 23-03-2018 11:12AM

doozerie wrote: »

...when you have a large hammer (a team of software developers in this case), everything can start to look like a nail (something that can best, and perhaps only, be solved by software alone). As proves to be the case in many areas of life, things are rarely that simple.

I think the informatic disciplines are going to have to come round to considering ethical and social ramifications. On the other hand, it was hard to make biologists, chemists and physicists take these on board, and they're not as Ayn Rand-ish on average as the tech bros.

Lumen · 23-03-2018 12:25PM

Diarmuid wrote: »

As heartless as it sounds, there will be the easy deaths and the hard deaths with AVs before we get to a point of "zero"deaths. The big difference is once you teach (program) the car to handle a scenario, it, and ALL of those cars won't make the same mistake again

Regression bugs!

loyatemu · 23-03-2018 12:45PM

what's the safety driver supposed to do - the car is supposed to have better reactions than a human, so if the driver is constantly hitting the brakes or grabbing the steering wheel, surely it negates the testing?

rubadub · 23-03-2018 12:54PM

loyatemu wrote: »

what's the safety driver supposed to do - the car is supposed to have better reactions than a human, so if the driver is constantly hitting the brakes or grabbing the steering wheel, surely it negates the testing?

I doubt they are constantly doing that. I see it as similar to a driving instructor in a dual control car with a learner driver. They should be presuming the software is terrible and be just as cautious as if they were driving themselves. It is all part of the testing, finding out the flaws, just like a learner driver.

I would not want that uber driver as my driving instructor, paying very little attention at all.

They should be monitoring the safety drivers to see they are doing their job. Sounds like they can but are not doing their job properly either, only themselves to blame.

seamus · 23-03-2018 12:59PM

loyatemu wrote: »

what's the safety driver supposed to do - the car is supposed to have better reactions than a human, so if the driver is constantly hitting the brakes or grabbing the steering wheel, surely it negates the testing?

One would expect that the safety driver has spent enough time in the vehicle on a test track, to understand and be familiar with how, when and where the vehicle is supposed to react. So that when it doesn't, the driver can take over.

That is, as it approaches a red light, the vehicle would be expected to slow down in a relatively gentle and predictable manner, and not jam on at the last minute. Someone who is familiar with the vehicle will notice pretty quickly when it doesn't react as expected, and push the pedal to stop it.

Likewise with an obstacle like someone crossing the road, one would expect that the vehicle reacts before the safety driver has even noticed something is wrong. Thus, if the safety driver notices a hazard and the vehicle hasn't reacted, then the driver knows that they must.

It's not a perfect failsafe by any means, but should be pretty effective if properly implemented. That is, if safety drivers have been properly skilled up and understand the importance of their position. The woman spending most of the trip apparently on her phone clearly didn't have the latter. Whether she had the former is unknown.

dastardly00 · 23-03-2018 01:34PM

Does the Cycling Ireland app on Android work for anyone.
Tried checking my license on it but it just stalls when logging in

doozerie · 23-03-2018 02:00PM

loyatemu wrote: »

what's the safety driver supposed to do - the car is supposed to have better reactions than a human, so if the driver is constantly hitting the brakes or grabbing the steering wheel, surely it negates the testing?

If the safety driver is unwilling or unable to intervene in the event of the car doing something wrong, then they are entirely redundant.

They would certainly be entirely redundant if the cars didn't make mistakes, this incident proves that's not the reality.

buffalo · 23-03-2018 04:25PM

Lumen wrote: »

That video is strongly misleading. It would be more instructive to see videos from the lidar system, not the optical cameras.

Since Uber cars can see in the dark, the question is simply "why did it drive into a pedestrian it could see?".

This has to be the easiest accident to avoid (easy for me to say as the non-programmer).

If a robot car cannot avoid a pedestrian walking out slowly across an empty, straight road whilst wheeling a bicycle fully side-on, what hope for the hard cases?

It's not only misleading in lacking LIDAR... crash site appears around 0:33 apparently:

tomasrojo · 23-03-2018 05:40PM

Intteresting, short thread, I think:

https://twitter.com/lastnotlost/status/976947135676583937

(AVs, outside simple use cases, are effectively years away, hype exceeds foreseeable capability.)

Wishbone Ash · 24-03-2018 05:14PM

A sign has gone up recently in my place of work "No Cycling in these grounds".

No doubt the powers that be will look at me like I've got three heads when I ask them if they'll be putting up a similar sign for motor vehicles. :rolleyes:

magicbastarder · 24-03-2018 09:39PM

fail. should be mounted upside down, rising out of the floor.

CramCycle · 24-03-2018 09:46PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

fail. should be mounted upside down, rising out of the floor.

The issue there is people visiting will think a UK private coach operator built the bathroom and there latest victim is under the tiles ala brookside/patio style.

Fighting Tao · 24-03-2018 10:27PM

Just watched Worlds Busiest Cities that was on RTE2. It was filmed in Mexico City. They have a cycling mayor and close 55km of city streets to cars every Sunday so that bikes and pedestrians can use them. It looks great!

Wishbone Ash · 25-03-2018 10:53AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

fail. should be mounted upside down, rising out of the floor....

But that would prevent an additional roll being stored on the top part.

ednwireland · 25-03-2018 04:24PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Just watched Worlds Busiest Cities that was on RTE2. It was filmed in Mexico City. They have a cycling mayor and close 55km of city streets to cars every Sunday so that bikes and pedestrians can use them. It looks great!

was in mexico city 8 years ago amazing place

on another note why are internal cables so difficult 4 hours to do my rear brake cable. finally sucked a bit of cotton through it was bunching somewhere, after drilling out the rear hole to have a chance of getting a cable through

Raam · 25-03-2018 10:29PM

ednwireland wrote: »

on another note why are internal cables so difficult 4 hours to do my rear brake cable. finally sucked a bit of cotton through it was bunching somewhere, after drilling out the rear hole to have a chance of getting a cable through

Invented by Satan himself.

RacoonQueen · 26-03-2018 01:37PM

When you get beeped at, hands thrown up off the steering wheel and then two fingers for being such a dick that you don't overtake a cyclist on a solid white line and blind bend :rolleyes:

Soz for not putting myself and other in danger just so you could get the school run done, I came in opposite gate of my estate to her and we came across each other in my estate as she pulled into the creche, to which she gave me two fingers (I mean what a dick I am for not putting myself, the cyclist and oncoming motorists in danger. HOW DARE I)....so I decided to get out and provide some rules of the road education.... :pac:

edit: I'd love to know what story she'll tell when she goes home about the bitch who wouldn't overtake the cyclist even though it was perfectly fine to do so. As it happened only one car came round the bend while we were behind cyclist, but there was no way to tell that. And I'm glad it was me right behind her as even if it was safe for me to go round she wouldn't have made sure it was safe the same way. Hope the cyclist doesn't think it was me beeping

CramCycle · 26-03-2018 03:06PM

Very lucky she didn't have a more old school "f*ck safety" motorist in front of her. I seen a guy drop anchor at someone doing this. A tidy payout for being a d1ck. Not condoning, it is as bad as the behaviour that started it but part of me felt a lesson hard learned is a lesson well learned.

LollipopJimmy · 26-03-2018 03:17PM

Sigh.. I had a candidate arriving for interview today who I'd had high hopes for. I saw him arrive on camera and then proceed to stare at our doorbell looking very confused. It's just your standard intercom with one large button that says 'press' on it, he was reeking of fags too. I should have stayed out of here today and gone for a cycle.

26-03-2018 03:44PM

Heading home this morning with the wee one walking and her on the little bike , lad coming towards us on the foothpath 14/15 cycling with hands in his pockets, theres a bit were the path curves and drops with those knobbly tiles as it crosses an entrance, same on the other side. Lad cool as you like keeps the hands warm and shimmys down and back up the other side passing us. Didn't know weather to applaud his handling skills or tell him to get the f off the footpath.

Nikki31 · 26-03-2018 04:08PM

Hi everyone im a newbie i have put an advert up on here to see if anyone would like to buy my bike. Ive had my bike up on adverts, donedeal, gumtree etc im wondering why there is no interest in it ive put the relevant info in the ads is it the price in asking for thats putting people off buying it any info would be appreciated thanks.

Wishbone Ash · 26-03-2018 04:20PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Sigh.. I had a candidate arriving for interview today who I'd had high hopes for. I saw him arrive on camera and then proceed to stare at our doorbell looking very confused. It's just your standard intercom with one large button that says 'press' on it, he was reeking of fags too. I should have stayed out of here today and gone for a cycle.

I interview regularly and am increasing losing faith in humanity when I see how an increasing number candidates present themselves and what they say/ask. I think many don't seem to realise that the interview commences before you're sitting in the chair.

Candidates (mainly young men) changing their clothes a car outside my office. WTF - if you have to get changed on route, why not pull in somewhere beforehand. Seeing your white arse pressed against a car window doesn't give me any positive vibes.

Talking loudly on a phone in the corridor outside the interview room and continuing the conversation after being called in.

And the bloody water! Do you really need to slap a 2 litre bottle of water on the table. It's a 30 minute interview - I won't be asking you to cross the Sahara.

magicbastarder · 26-03-2018 04:24PM

my wife works in HR. they've seen everything - including job applications sent in via a camera phone photograph of a computer monitor, on which someone has filled in their details. on a generic job application form, not the application form specific to the job in question.

magicbastarder · 26-03-2018 04:29PM

Nikki31 wrote: »

Hi everyone im a newbie i have put an advert up on here to see if anyone would like to buy my bike. Ive had my bike up on adverts, donedeal, gumtree etc im wondering why there is no interest in it ive put the relevant info in the ads is it the price in asking for thats putting people off buying it any info would be appreciated thanks.

you may be unlucky in that there's no one browsing those places at the moment who is looking for that type of bike, in that size.
might also help if you specify in the ad what size person the bike would suit - often you'll find a sizing chart on the maufacturer's website. someone looking for one may not understand what size would suit them best.

CramCycle · 26-03-2018 05:01PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

you may be unlucky in that there's no one browsing those places at the moment who is looking for that type of bike, in that size.
might also help if you specify in the ad what size person the bike would suit - often you'll find a sizing chart on the maufacturer's website. someone looking for one may not understand what size would suit them best.

Also it is a Halfords bike, that can routinely be picked up for 315euro on their site. A non negotiable price of 200 on a bike that can be picked up new for little more is not great.

Lucky to get 150euro for it to be honest.

Lusk_Doyle · 26-03-2018 06:39PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Sigh.. I had a candidate arriving for interview today who I'd had high hopes for. I saw him arrive on camera and then proceed to stare at our doorbell looking very confused. It's just your standard intercom with one large button that says 'press' on it, he was reeking of fags too. I should have stayed out of here today and gone for a cycle.

He was probably weighing up how judgemental and prejudiced you were going to be and whether it was worth the effort and waste of his talent.

Lumen · 26-03-2018 07:09PM

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

He was probably weighing up how judgemental and prejudiced you were going to be and whether it was worth the effort and waste of his talent.

Isn't being judgemental the whole point of interviewing?

tomasrojo · 26-03-2018 07:31PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Candidates (mainly young men) changing their clothes a car outside my office. WTF - if you have to get changed on route, why not pull in somewhere beforehand. Seeing your white arse pressed against a car window doesn't give me any positive vibes.

I have to discreetly get changed before gigs (classical guitar background music stuff mostly) and interviews all the time, because I cycle there, but I always find somewhere quiet, and it's just a change of shoes and putting on a shirt, tie and jacket over the t-shirt I wore en route.

LollipopJimmy · 26-03-2018 08:32PM

Lumen wrote: »

Isn't being judgemental the whole point of interviewing?

Sort of. Usually I try and relax the candidate, when they're relaxed you're more likely to hear about previous roles with warts and all. Some candidates do mess up from the start, stinking of fags, not dressed in business attire - a requirement for the roles I recruit for, and stinking of stale drink are three I've had in the last week. I'm a recruiter so I also have to be very aware that these candidates are what my reputation is built on, I do however always try to put the candidate first and if somebody clearly isn't prepared because they're just being lazy or not showing any interest then I won't either but if I can see a candidate is a bit misguided I will always try give best advice. Most of the time my feedback is welcomed.

Wishbone Ash · 26-03-2018 08:33PM

Nikki31 wrote: »

... im wondering why there is no interest in it ive put the relevant info in the ads is it the price in asking for thats putting people off buying it any info would be appreciated thanks.

Rule no. 1 - if you're putting up a single picture, take it from the drive side.

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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion