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Podge_irl · 22-03-2018 07:07PM

awec wrote: »

Is having the metro follow pretty much the same route as the LUAS green line not a bit pointless?

I believe the plan is that it just takes over the LUAS green line. The line was built with ability to be upgraded to metro. So the cross city will end at Charlemont and there will be a disconnected spur south of Sandyford.

Podge_irl · 22-03-2018 07:14PM

Synode wrote: »

http://www.metrolink.ie/#/home

Site is live. Dublin is screaming out for metro lines. They better not bury this again

I'll lose my nut if the government changes before physical work on this starts and they put it on hold to "replan" it or some such nonsense.

22-03-2018 07:29PM

awec wrote: »

Is having the metro follow pretty much the same route as the LUAS green line not a bit pointless?

It's going to use the Luas tracks. It'll have a much bigger capacity. Some stations will need to be upgraded but I think that's it, the track is suitable for the Metro stock.

I don't understand why the Metro doesn't stop in Drumcondra. There are massive numbers of people living there and it's one of the worst bottlenecks in the city at rush hour. In fact I'm still sitting in the office so when I get there this evening I'll be able to use the bus lanes.

The kink in the line to the west between Griffith Park and O'Connell St, this area is pretty much served by Luas cross-city already.

Synode · 22-03-2018 10:24PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'll lose my nut if the government changes before physical work on this starts and they put it on hold to "replan" it or some such nonsense.

It's getting to the stage where people realise these projects have to be done. Dublin traffic is atrocious. Spend whatever it takes to get us a world class public transport system. The benefits it will bring to the whole country will more than repay the cost.

Podge_irl · 23-03-2018 09:41AM

Synode wrote: »

It's getting to the stage where people realise these projects have to be done. Dublin traffic is atrocious. Spend whatever it takes to get us a world class public transport system. The benefits it will bring to the whole country will more than repay the cost.

Oh for sure. But everyone also wants to get credit for it being "their" project.

Buer · 23-03-2018 09:48AM

It might go ahead but I'd be shocked if it managed to come close to the time line that is set out. There will be a massive number of objections to the work. The biggest one immediately is Na Fianna who will be displaced for 7 years by the works, supposedly. They're a huge club with significant clout and will happily drag this through every legal objection possible unless major allowances are made for them.

This work is decades overdue and we should be way, way down the line on such a system rather than only at the initial stages of development. The city is completey choked. We refuse to build up as a society so people are forced to live further and further out, commuting to the CBDs and business districts from long distance. And yet we're still going to have thousands of people objecting to the works.

It's a miracle that anything actually proceeds in this country. Also, if the economy goes bang before works commence, it will be shelved yet again.

molloyjh · 23-03-2018 11:03AM

Buer wrote: »

....we're still going to have thousands of people objecting to the works.

Of course we are. As a society it's what we're really good at.

Podge_irl · 23-03-2018 11:27AM

I remember well the furor over the Port Tunnel and do worry in that regard.

I wish someone was able to collate all the objections to previous large infrastructure projects, the delays in all the projects and the ultimate roaring success of all those projects and tell all the objectors to go **** themselves. They should, obviously, offer more than fair compensation to everyone affected but the city needs this and it needs it quickly.

Yeah_Right · 23-03-2018 11:35AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I remember well the furor over the Port Tunnel and do worry in that regard.

I wish someone was able to collate all the objections to previous large infrastructure projects, the delays in all the projects and the ultimate roaring success of all those projects and tell all the objectors to go **** themselves. They should, obviously, offer more than fair compensation to everyone affected but the city needs this and it needs it quickly.

Absolutely. I imagine that there are people out there who have objected to some projects and got them stopped or delayed and wear that as a badge of honour.

prawnsambo · 23-03-2018 11:40AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I remember well the furor over the Port Tunnel and do worry in that regard.

I wish someone was able to collate all the objections to previous large infrastructure projects, the delays in all the projects and the ultimate roaring success of all those projects and tell all the objectors to go **** themselves. They should, obviously, offer more than fair compensation to everyone affected but the city needs this and it needs it quickly.

There were problems with the port tunnel though. And they were problems highlighted by objectors at the time. Weren't there houses damaged by the tunnelling works?

molloyjh · 23-03-2018 12:09PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I remember well the furor over the Port Tunnel and do worry in that regard.

I wish someone was able to collate all the objections to previous large infrastructure projects, the delays in all the projects and the ultimate roaring success of all those projects and tell all the objectors to go **** themselves. They should, obviously, offer more than fair compensation to everyone affected but the city needs this and it needs it quickly.

And there is literally no way to do the job without causing disruption and/or requiring compulsory purchase orders. People want this stuff, but only if it doesn't affect them negatively. Nobody is willing to pay the price for it. Which I suppose is easy for me to say when I won't have to deal with the disruption. But the fact is that this has to happen. And unfortunately some people will need to lose out as a result. As long as they are fairly compensated then that's as much as can be done really.

Buer · 23-03-2018 12:14PM

Unlike the Port Tunnel though, the people who will be disrupted directly are also the people who are going to benefit directly. It will be a poxy situation but they will then have what should be the single best piece of transport infrastructure on the island right on their doorstep.

thomond2006 · 23-03-2018 12:19PM

It's a pity DART underground was shelved due to the crisis. When it was initially announced the completion year was 2017.

23-03-2018 12:21PM

Buer wrote: »

Unlike the Port Tunnel though, the people who will be disrupted directly are also the people who are going to benefit directly. It will be a poxy situation but they will then have what should be the single best piece of transport infrastructure on the island right on their doorstep.

Na Fianna? I'm sure they'd rather their pitches available than a metro station. It's a local club, the metro isn't going to benefit them the most.

Podge_irl · 23-03-2018 12:29PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

There were problems with the port tunnel though. And they were problems highlighted by objectors at the time. Weren't there houses damaged by the tunnelling works?

Some minor damage I think yes and they were fixed. From the way people were talking about it at the time you'd swear they were going to create a sinkhole that would devour all the houses in Marino. There was, in essence, some mild inconvenience caused to a few hundred people and we got a (vastly delayed) important piece of infrastructure in return.

Buer · 23-03-2018 12:33PM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

Na Fianna? I'm sure they'd rather their pitches available than a metro station. It's a local club, the metro isn't going to benefit them the most.

I'm talking generally. Na Fianna are one group and they will still benefit from it to an extent.`

I imagine they're also going to do very well out of this long term with respect to their facilities.

irishbucsfan · 23-03-2018 12:37PM

Having a metro station in your grounds would massively benefit a club

jd · 24-03-2018 06:44PM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

I don't understand why the Metro doesn't stop in Drumcondra. There are massive numbers of people living there and it's one of the worst bottlenecks in the city at rush hour. In fact I'm still sitting in the office so when I get there this evening I'll be able to use the bus lanes.

The kink in the line to the west between Griffith Park and O'Connell St, this area is pretty much served by Luas cross-city already.

The reason it is going to the west is there is going to be a big interchange station at cross guns serving the metro and two heavy rail lines. The station at Drumcondra could only serve the one line.. (It's trying to do some of the job the Dart Underground would have done - but that's a discussion for the infrastructure forum.)

Buer · 26-03-2018 09:22AM

Listened to Casefile's podcast on Silk Road over the weekend. I knew the basic premise of the story in advance but it was enthralling to hear the in depth background to how it came to be and came to fall apart. A real life Breaking Bad story. Normal guy went from being a top student to overseeing an empire in a simple few years.

It's incredible that, after such care and attention to detail, a historical log in on a discussion forum using his real email address led to the downfall of it's creator.

swiwi_ · 27-03-2018 05:31AM

I know cricket is very much a niche sport in Ireland...but anyone else following the wee drama of Australia in South Africa...Australia caught red-handed cheating in a pre-meditated act of deliberate ball tampering.

Which is surprising, because Australians are generally considered the well-mannered gentlemen of cricket...

irishbucsfan · 27-03-2018 05:40AM

Get over Trevor Chappell you sook!

swiwi_ · 27-03-2018 06:31AM

Buer wrote: »

Listened to Casefile's podcast on Silk Road over the weekend. I knew the basic premise of the story in advance but it was enthralling to hear the in depth background to how it came to be and came to fall apart. A real life Breaking Bad story. Normal guy went from being a top student to overseeing an empire in a simple few years.

It's incredible that, after such care and attention to detail, a historical log in on a discussion forum using his real email address led to the downfall of it's creator.

Warning: This podcast contains frequent use of the Australian accent, which some listeners may find disturbing.

dregin · 27-03-2018 10:41AM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

Unlike the Port Tunnel though, the people who will be disrupted directly are also the people who are going to benefit directly. It will be a poxy situation but they will then have what should be the single best piece of transport infrastructure on the island right on their doorstep.

Na Fianna? I'm sure they'd rather their pitches available than a metro station. It's a local club, the metro isn't going to benefit them the most.

Their grounds will be used during the construction process only. Where did you hear it was being replaced by a station?

27-03-2018 11:30AM

dregin wrote: »

Their grounds will be used during the construction process only. Where did you hear it was being replaced by a station?

Yeah it's only during construction. But they could lose their grounds for over 5 years.

Does the benefit of having a station underneath them outweigh the cost of losing their pitches for all that time? They don't seem to think so.

Podge_irl · 27-03-2018 11:35AM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

Yeah it's only during construction. But they could lose their grounds for over 5 years.

Does the benefit of having a station underneath them outweigh the cost of losing their pitches for all that time? They don't seem to think so.

Suppose it depends whether you are looking at the short term or the long term. Even then, they may view use of the pitches as more important and I could certainly understand that viewpoint.

Tough **** though. I imagine they'll get a tasty package out of it all the same.

stephen_n · 27-03-2018 11:47AM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

Yeah it's only during construction. But they could lose their grounds for over 5 years.

Does the benefit of having a station underneath them outweigh the cost of losing their pitches for all that time? They don't seem to think so.

Their pitch, not pitches, it’s only one of pitches according to the reports last week. Though that is the main pitch.

The Lost Sheep · 27-03-2018 11:52AM

stephen_n wrote: »

Their pitch, not pitches, it’s only one of pitches according to the reports last week. Though that is the main pitch.

Also losing 2 all weather pitches

27-03-2018 12:07PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Their pitch, not pitches, it’s only one of pitches according to the reports last week. Though that is the main pitch.

The main pitch is their only pitch. So yes you're right it's pitch not pitches but they still have to find a totally separate site to play on.

Buer · 27-03-2018 12:15PM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

The main pitch is their only pitch. So yes you're right it's pitch not pitches but they still have to find a totally separate site to play on.

In Mobhi Road. They use several other pitches elsewhere.

27-03-2018 12:22PM

Buer wrote: »

In Mobhi Road. They use several other pitches elsewhere.

Fair enough wasn't aware of that.

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