Celtic tiger style architecture

bb1234567 wrote: »

Who cares about height? Its more important than good looking buildings are built than how tall they are.Old cities like paris are a lot nicer than any modern high rise city in the world, thats for sure. China ,and many other countries, is building lots of tall buildings and their cities look like absolute ****e, why would you want our city to look like that?In fact, even though high density is good, Id say theres a massive correlation between cities being really ugly and having lots of high rises

The Government, for one.
Cities are expanding outwards rather down upwards, this can't be sustained.
If the trend continues then what space will be left?
Buildings don't have to be low to be nice, you can build very nice attractive buildings which are both tall and in tone with a city.
Paris has high rises and it's a completely different style of city than Dublin so not sure what your point is there.

bear1 wrote: »

The Government, for one.
Cities are expanding outwards rather down upwards, this can't be sustained.
If the trend continues then what space will be left?
Buildings don't have to be low to be nice, you can build very nice attractive buildings which are both tall and in tone with a city.
Paris has high rises and it's a completely different style of city than Dublin so not sure what your point is there.

Well Ive very rarely been to a high-rise city that was a nice place to be. All those north american and asians cities are filled with soulless glass boxes, devoid of any character. Low rise european style cities are whats beautiful. And thats exactly what we'll get if we go high-rise , seeing as the majority of docklands turned out to be just glass with no interesting features or beauty, can't imagine we will suddenly get attractive buildings just because they're tall then. Ill take low rise over that

I think the vast swathes of semi d's should be bought by developers and redeveloped into attractive dense bands of residential developments around 7-8 stories in height rather than ruin the city centre with high rises. And it is of course possible, developers regularly buy and amalgamate lots of expensive city centre properties from multilple owners. If incentive was put in place for developers to buy ugly suburban semi d's and densify then they would

I think the vast swathes of semi d's should be bought by developers and redeveloped into attractive dense bands of residential developments around 7-8 stories in height rather than ruin the city centre with high rises. And it is of course possible, developers regularly buy and amalgamate lots of expensive city centre properties from multilple owners. If incentive was put in place for developers to buy ugly suburban semi d's and densify then they would

Kinda difficult though when local people object everything that's higher than their own turd.

LirW wrote: »

And because it doesn't serve any real purpose beside being a middle class status symbol: The kitchen island.

Any house that I know, including my own, the kitchen island is one of most used places in the house, it's pretty much the centre of everything that happens.

Giblet wrote: »

Hello Beacon Court Mall! Manages to be colder inside than out!

there is a bit of the, well the one in Spain we viewed looked well :rolleyes:

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well Ive very rarely been to a high-rise city that was a nice place to be. All those north american and asians cities are filled with soulless glass boxes, devoid of any character. Low rise european style cities are whats beautiful. And thats exactly what we'll get if we go high-rise , seeing as the majority of docklands turned out to be just glass with no interesting features or beauty, can't imagine we will suddenly get attractive buildings just because they're tall then. Ill take low rise over that

I think the vast swathes of semi d's should be bought by developers and redeveloped into attractive dense bands of residential developments around 7-8 stories in height rather than ruin the city centre with high rises. And it is of course possible, developers regularly buy and amalgamate lots of expensive city centre properties from multilple owners. If incentive was put in place for developers to buy ugly suburban semi d's and densify then they would

You just said Paris was a nice city with it's low rise architecture, now you are saying it's rare..
No it's not, Rome/Milan/Naples/Barcelona/Madrid/London.. there are loads of cities out there with high rises and also low rise interesting buildings.
If you think the docklands is a high rise glass box then you must be looking at the wrong docklands.
and actually just to point out, Bolands Mill although not tall at all is a very interesting looking proposal which is under construction now.
That area has been a lost cause, a place that could have been developed to it's full potential has instead been given the usual Irish blandness.
Even capital dock has turned out to be a joke to look at.
So you are advocating that we instead build outwards? How is that in any way a positive thing?
Look at the proposal in Cork for the 40 storey, it's a very interesting building in it's renders.
Limerick is getting quite a nice skyline along it's river and it's still a predominantly low rise city.
You cannot compare the architecture here to other major European cities and we cannot continue to harp on at our Georgian heritage. We are holding ourselves back when it comes to innovation and it's the likes of the anti-over 40m tall brigade that results in us stuck in this.

Apart from houses some of the large scale retail parks built during the Tiger years were an incredible waste of space. When you go into the likes of Woodies or Halfords or similar look up and see how high the ceiling is. Massive big waste of building matierals and space, there was absolute no need for it. Except if you want to set up a business for climbing indoor walls, then that 50 foot high ceiling is useful, otherwise no
https://awesomewalls.ie/dublin/

bear1 wrote: »

You just said Paris was a nice city with it's low rise architecture, now you are saying it's rare..
No it's not, Rome/Milan/Naples/Barcelona/Madrid/London.. there are loads of cities out there with high rises and also low rise interesting buildings.
If you think the docklands is a high rise glass box then you must be looking at the wrong docklands.
and actually just to point out, Bolands Mill although not tall at all is a very interesting looking proposal which is under construction now.
That area has been a lost cause, a place that could have been developed to it's full potential has instead been given the usual Irish blandness.
Even capital dock has turned out to be a joke to look at.
So you are advocating that we instead build outwards? How is that in any way a positive thing?
Look at the proposal in Cork for the 40 storey, it's a very interesting building in it's renders.
Limerick is getting quite a nice skyline along it's river and it's still a predominantly low rise city.
You cannot compare the architecture here to other major European cities and we cannot continue to harp on at our Georgian heritage. We are holding ourselves back when it comes to innovation and it's the likes of the anti-over 40m tall brigade that results in us stuck in this.

Well you seem to equate tall height with quality of building or 'innovation' when a wealth of ugly city prececdents from brazil to china will show that is simply not the case.
And I did not say the docklands was tall I said it was all glass buildings and I prefer lowrise ugly glass buildings than high rise version of it.
Yes those cities are nice but the high rises are the ugly part ofthem , the low rise historic part is whats nice. How come we can't build a nice high rise area? Why is it a 'sacrifice' we have to make aesthetically for the sake of density? Buildings should look pretty. its such a modern idea that functional buildings have to be bland and ugly to work. Chicago and Boston and Philadelphia and New york had stunning tall buildings at the turn of the century

And as I said, I advocate densification of existing low rise suburban. So no I don't advocate building outwards, urban sprawl is a very bad thing that high rise don't necessarily solve. American cities have huge high rises and massive urban sprawl and lots of cities in europe with very few low rises like berlin and amsterdam have good density with much less sprawl than american cities

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yeah, I don’t get the kitchen island hate. It seems like one of those things one is expected to make fun of when this topic arises. Everyone I know who has one uses it. Extra counter space is always welcome.

They're a very nice centre point for kitchens as a social gathering area if you've ever people over. I remember going to friends and I always thought the nicest kitchens were the ones with islands, bring a nice balance to a kitchen imo