Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Stimpyone · 16-03-2018 12:44PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Today EI announced they will introduce a new uniform next spring 20 years after the current one was introduced. rght alte
Am I right in thinking the current uniform and livery were introduced together as part of a rebranding in 1998?

Livery was introduced in 1996 after the B747's left.
Uniform was introduced Summer 1998 for crew and post summer '98 for Ground Ops.

Even with the clarification from SNN twitter I saw some youngster on the DUB movements page getting all confused at an A330neo being in Shannon. He was wondering why IAG/EI didnt make a media announcement about its arrival.

Ah ok makes sense, thanks for the clarification

I've heard that the livery will indeed be updated to coincide with the launch of the new uniforms.

JCX BXC · 16-03-2018 02:30PM

A7-ACH apparently the Qatar A330 destined for Aer Lingus.

sherology · 16-03-2018 03:14PM

So an a330-300 burns about 6000kg/hr in EI config. A neo at 10% better SFC should burn about 5400kg/hr. Seems a better fit to EI/Level routes than the longer range 787/350 when purchasing costs come into play. The SFC seems pretty close (and 787 is a 9-abreast squash-fest).

Tenger · 16-03-2018 03:25PM

Hence the comments from the current EI CEO about a future transatlantic fleet of A330/A321LR.
IAG dont want to buy EI or Level shiny new A350s or B787s if they can get their return on investment with A330ceo/neo.

Thats the single over-riding concern of IAG, 15% RoI.

sherology · 16-03-2018 03:29PM

Cool... And I agree. Nice to see actual numbers on SFC above.

Hawaiian said a month or so ago that their a321neo fleet were almost as efficient (per passenger/km) as their a330s... So the LR fleet coming next year should fit the fleet very well. Look forward to it.

trellheim · 16-03-2018 03:45PM

IAG dont want to buy EI or Level shiny new A350s or B787s if they can get their return on investment with A330ceo/neo.

Thats the single over-riding concern of IAG, 15% RoI.

So why did they make the A350 order in the first place then ? the performance figures havent changed.

NH2013 · 16-03-2018 04:56PM

trellheim wrote: »

So why did they make the A350 order in the first place then ? the performance figures havent changed.

Well the performance figures for the A350 have changed quite drastically since Aer Lingus ordered then, Aer Lingus ordered the original A350 (Pre-XWB), which was essentially an A330 with new engines attached (ie. the what the A330neo is now), the current A350 has quite different performance figures to that originally ordered.

In addition the order was placed back when fuel prices were at their peak, and going only one direction, which swung the balance much more in the favour of the A350. Also at the time, Aer Lingus were an independent airline and not part of any group, and as such didn't have the exceptionally high target of 15% RoIC that IAG set and would likely have worked with a much more long term view of the fleet in mind.

trellheim · 16-03-2018 05:21PM

Well the performance figures for the A350 have changed quite drastically since Aer Lingus ordered then, Aer Lingus ordered the original A350 (Pre-XWB), which was essentially an A330 with new engines attached (ie. the what the A330neo is now), the current A350 has quite different performance figures to that originally ordered.

OK - behind the curve, pun intended, apologies.

LiamaDelta · 16-03-2018 05:33PM

Tenger wrote:

Hence the comments from the current EI CEO about a future transatlantic fleet of A330/A321LR. IAG dont want to buy EI or Level shiny new A350s or B787s if they can get their return on investment with A330ceo/neo.

Totally agree with this. If you look at what they've being doing at BA for years it's similar to American operators....sweat the assets as much as possible.
They don't care about having the youngest/nicest/best/most efficent...if the percentage return is hitting target that's all that matters. Which is all well and good while the fuel price is low...

Bussywussy · 16-03-2018 05:45PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

A7-ACH apparently the Qatar A330 destined for Aer Lingus.

To become EI-GEY,latest rumours that the white tail standby isn't coming and another Qatar 330 joining after the summer

mikel97 · 16-03-2018 06:05PM

Bussywussy wrote: »

To become EI-GEY,latest rumours that the white tail standby isn't coming and another Qatar 330 joining after the summer

LOL yet another antique. Do IAG give Lingus the oldies?

HTCOne · 16-03-2018 06:15PM

mikel97 wrote: »

LOL yet another antique. Do IAG give Lingus the oldies?

I believe the CF6 is the least common engine type on the A330, so not as much choice as you would think.

The A330 is very popular second hand at the moment due it’s relatively low aquisition cost and proven reliability more than offsetting it’s higher fuel burn, so there’s plenty of buyers out there hoovering up all they can get.

goingnowhere · 16-03-2018 06:45PM

Its 4 years younger than EI-LAX and a life in warmer parts of the world leads to less corrosion issues

If you think its old take a look at BA's 777 fleet, about half are even from this century...

Bussywussy · 16-03-2018 07:11PM

mikel97 wrote: »

Bussywussy wrote: »

To become EI-GEY,latest rumours that the white tail standby isn't coming and another Qatar 330 joining after the summer

LOL yet another antique. Do IAG give Lingus the oldies?

This poster usually posts some nonsense and disappears

16-03-2018 07:11PM

mikel97 wrote: »

LOL yet another antique. Do IAG give Lingus the oldies?

Antique ! It’s not even 17 years old yet. As said above BA have 27 of their 58 777’s from the 90’s and another 11 from the year 2000. If it was 70 years old it would be an antique. Get used to seeing these highly efficient engines modern airliners being around for a very long time.

Marcusm · 16-03-2018 08:43PM

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Totally agree with this. If you look at what they've being doing at BA for years it's similar to American operators....sweat the assets as much as possible.
They don't care about having the youngest/nicest/best/most efficent...if the percentage return is hitting target that's all that matters. Which is all well and good while the fuel price is low...

The fuel price is cyclically low and absent a major war in the Middle East or similar disruption is unlikely to spike for at least a decade. This is is due to the robust nature of shale and other non-conventional oils despite low prices. IAG is probably right to sweat assets more in this part of the cycle and plan major orders when the big 2 manufacturers order books slack off.

kona · 16-03-2018 08:49PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

Its 4 years younger than EI-LAX and a life in warmer parts of the world leads to less corrosion issues

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Youd be suprised what happens when certain cultures decide to just piss all over the cabin. Piss is a great at eating into aluminium.

duskyjoe · 17-03-2018 07:28AM

kona wrote: »

Youd be suprised what happens when certain cultures decide to just piss all over the cabin. Piss is a great at eating into aluminium.

A bit bold what u said but u are absolutely spot on..... and it has a deadly impact re corrosion

kona · 17-03-2018 08:23AM

duskyjoe wrote: »

A bit bold what u said but u are absolutely spot on..... and it has a deadly impact re corrosion

Was a bit bold, but sure it is what it is.

Cloudio9 · 17-03-2018 10:09AM

kona wrote: »

Youd be suprised what happens when certain cultures decide to just piss all over the cabin. Piss is a great at eating into aluminium.

Tell us more!

kona · 17-03-2018 10:59AM

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Tell us more!

What more do i need to tell??!:pac:

kevinandrew · 17-03-2018 11:04AM

NH2013 wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

So why did they make the A350 order in the first place then ? the performance figures havent changed.

Well the performance figures for the A350 have changed quite drastically since Aer Lingus ordered then, Aer Lingus ordered the original A350 (Pre-XWB), which was essentially an A330 with new engines attached (ie. the what the A330neo is now), the current A350 has quite different performance figures to that originally ordered.

No they didn’t. Aer Lingus has always been an XWB customer, it was ordered in Summer 2007, a year after Airbus refreshed the original A350 into the current XWB offering.

Cloudio9 · 17-03-2018 12:04PM

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Tell us more!

Who has a culture of pissing in a cabin ? Apart from Gerard Depardieu.

smurfjed · 17-03-2018 05:55PM

Without being disrespectful to any nationality, a lot of the customers in the Middle East have never seen an aircraft in their lives, they don't actually know that they have toilets, so they slide forward on their seats and take a piss.

kona · 17-03-2018 07:16PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Without being disrespectful to any nationality, a lot of the customers in the Middle East have never seen an aircraft in their lives, they don't actually know that they have toilets, so they slide forward on their seats and take a piss.

Its not disrespectful to say it. Id have more time for people who dont know over some people that do know better.
Either way doesnt matter where it comes from, corrossion doesnt care.

Fwiw a airline like qatar would have their aircraft maintained to a good standard and any issues would be fixed.
Its just a point i was making that its not only climate that causes corrosion. Fruit juice is another excellent corrosive agent, coffee aint too bad either.

But this off in a tangent...

duskyjoe · 17-03-2018 08:03PM

Kona, we were egging you on!

Locker10a · 18-03-2018 06:07PM

https://youtu.be/wIQlkzgeZ5s

This is a fairly well known video of what such flights look like

Idbatterim · 20-03-2018 06:10PM

wouldnt one of the main reasons be for keeping the A350 away from aer lingus be, that Iberia and BA would have far more competition from their big hubs and that people would prefer to fly in these aircraft, i.e. Iberian and BA would be giving them a better aircraft...

Locker10a · 20-03-2018 06:32PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

wouldnt one of the main reasons be for keeping the A350 away from aer lingus be, that Iberia and BA would have far more competition from their big hubs and that people would prefer to fly in these aircraft, i.e. Iberian and BA would be giving them a better aircraft...

The average passengers knows sweet F.A about the aircraft they fly on, furthermore, I’d bet aircraft type is ranked very last on the list of priorities for people when booking flights. With the exception of avgeeks nobodays cares if their flight is operated by an a330, 777, a350 etc as long as it’s ontime, comfortable, and gets them and their luggage to their destination.
What may sway who gets what aircraft is things like efficiency, capacity, CASM suitability for certain routes, cargo capacity etc. And I’m sure based on this IAG will assign aircraft appropriately

smurfjed · 20-03-2018 06:34PM

@Locker10A, that was the first revenue flight of that aircraft and it was a short scheduled sector to Ethiopia. The religious flights are usually worse as the passengers will have never seen an aircraft prior to leaving their villages.

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