Scummy Irish, Wales sh1t and Messi freak

Shefwedfan · 15-03-2018 03:03PM

Yeah_Right · 15-03-2018 03:06PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Someone else previously said in the thread that context mattered to me.

Consider this scenario, a good friend walks up to me and calls me a "wanker" im not going to be offended i know its probably a joke between us and ill laugh him off and slag him back.

A stranger or someone I don't get on with comes up and calls me the same im definitely going to be offended and pissed off.

To use your analogy; what if a stranger overheard your friend calling you a wanker and proceeded to be outraged by it, demand an apology and started abusing your friend? That's what is happening here. And you are the stranger.

Connacht15 · 15-03-2018 03:23PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What??? Can you tell me how this has anything to do with what Jones said?

It means, he should clearly know better than to make an absolute fool out himself like that!

VinLieger · 15-03-2018 03:54PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

To use your analogy; what if a stranger overheard your friend calling you a wanker and proceeded to be outraged by it, demand an apology and started abusing your friend? That's what is happening here. And you are the stranger.

That is in no way the same analogy as eddie made a general statement by saying "the scummy irish" so he encompassed a group and why is it wrong for people in that group that he described as scummy to be offended?

VinLieger · 15-03-2018 03:57PM

Buer wrote: »

There's not. You've just made up your mind on something and are using confirmation bias in this scenario.

Im really not, again i waited to hear laughter, heard none and made a judgement based on what I saw and heard its quite easy to do. Its also not my fault if eddie has a history of saying stupid things and people make judgements about him based on his past behaviour of saying stupid things, that's something literally every single person on the planet does every day, its called learning.

15-03-2018 04:10PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I waited to hear laughter, heard none

To be fair I think this was in Japan. He wouldn't have gotten a laugh unless he was wearing an illuminous onesie and holding a giant inflatable sex toy.

Buer · 15-03-2018 04:19PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Im really not, again i waited to hear laughter, heard none and made a judgement based on what I saw and heard its quite easy to do. Its also not my fault if eddie has a history of saying stupid things and people make judgements about him based on his past behaviour of saying stupid things, that's something literally every single person on the planet does every day, its called learning.

Do you need laughter to consider something spoken in jest? I've seen comedy shows where there has been plenty of silence. I make 50 comments a day that are sarcastic or lighthearted that don't crack a smile (45 of them on here).

Unless you actually believe that Eddie Jones, at a function in front of a substantial audience and being filmed, was deliberately making an effort to be xenophobic?

Or he said something lightheartedly and some sensitive individuals who are not fans of him have decided it's horribly offensive and are acting in a completely reactionary manner.

Professor Moriarty · 15-03-2018 04:26PM

jr86 wrote: »

Despite the fact it's been well and truly clarified in this thread he was directing the comment at an Irish person in a joking manner. If he was a regular spouter of racist/homophobic/sexist stereotypes or comments then yes, outrage would be absolutely justifiable and I certainly wouldn't want someone like that representing my nation

When did we all get so bloody precious? Would people ever lighten up, leave the faux outrage and hysterics to the twitter mob

With respect, it is you who seems to be very excited by all of this. You might have missed the line in my post where I said "In many ways, this is a thing of nothing.". Even though you quoted it.

It's not being precious, hysterical or outraged (faux or otherwise) to simply prefer that the national coach of your country didn't call other teams scummy or another country sh1t. That's my personal preference and that has been my one and only comment on the matter.

Yeah_Right · 15-03-2018 04:59PM

Connacht15 wrote: »

It means, he should clearly know better than to make an absolute fool out himself like that!

Because his mother is Japanese-American and the Japanese-Americans were locked up in camps in the US during WWII???

WTF

VinLieger · 15-03-2018 04:59PM

Buer wrote: »

Unless you actually believe that Eddie Jones, at a function in front of a substantial audience and being filmed, was deliberately making an effort to be xenophobic?

Or he said something lightheartedly and some sensitive individuals who are not fans of him have decided it's horribly offensive and are acting in a completely reactionary manner.

I never said he was being xenophobic. Also again im not offended but I understand why some people might be, if it was a good joke people might not be so pissed off but it wasn't and they are, im more curious as to why is everyone here so defensive of him?

Buer · 15-03-2018 05:09PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I never said he was being xenophobic. Also again im not offended but I understand why some people might be, if it was a good joke people might not be so pissed off but it wasn't and they are, im more curious as to why is everyone here so defensive of him?

I'm not particularly defensive of him. I think he's a wally who thrives on winding people up. But I will draw the line at the faux outrage and attacks on him which I see as completely over the top such as calling him a piece of garbage in all walks of life which is ridiculous.

Podge_irl · 15-03-2018 05:36PM

Honestly, it just strikes me as an attempt by a not very funny man to be light-hearted which didn't quite come off.

who_me · 15-03-2018 08:55PM

I find it very difficult to have ANY sympathy for the guy, juxtaposing his comments on Ireland/Wales and the below. Be a wind-up merchant, or a snowflake. You can't do both.

England’s head coach, Eddie Jones, says he no longer feels safe using British public transport after being verbally and physically abused on a train and at a station following his side’s Calcutta Cup defeat on Saturday. Jones has also criticised jingoistic comments made by Scottish rugby figures which he feels helped to fuel an unsavoury post-match atmosphere.

Connacht15 · 15-03-2018 09:13PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Because his mother is Japanese-American and the Japanese-Americans were locked up in camps in the US during WWII???

WTF

Obviously!

Yeah_Right · 16-03-2018 12:09AM

Connacht15 wrote: »

Obviously!

Thanks. Your explanation on this is as clear as mud.

joseywhales · 16-03-2018 12:37AM

Honestly , he said it in jest just like the many Irish people who might proclaim "I can't wait until we beat these English *****", it's just an exclamation, meant to be taken light heartedly.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 01:12AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Honestly , he said it in jest just like the many Irish people who might proclaim "I can't wait until we beat these English *****", it's just an exclamation, meant to be taken light heartedly.

That's fair enough for the great unwashed. I'm just glad that Schmidt, as coach of Ireland, isn't calling the English team scummy and the country of Wales sh1t. An added bonus is that he's a better coach than Jones.

joseywhales · 16-03-2018 01:20AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

joseywhales wrote: »

Honestly , he said it in jest just like the many Irish people who might proclaim "I can't wait until we beat these English *****", it's just an exclamation, meant to be taken light heartedly.

That's fair enough for the great unwashed. I'm just glad that Schmidt, as coach of Ireland, isn't calling the English team scummy and the country of Wales sh1t. An added bonus is that he's a better coach than Jones.

I actually meant that post to be sarcastic, it's obviously offensive and if someone talks like that they are fairly immature, definitely do not expect it from someone in a leadership position. Comes across as weak and lazy also.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 01:26AM

joseywhales wrote: »

I actually meant that post to be sarcastic, it's obviously offensive and if someone talks like that they are fairly immature, definitely do not expect it from someone in a leadership position. Comes across as weak and lazy also.

I think he adopts the Mourinho MO. Say controversial things to distract from the team especially when they are doing badly. It would be interesting to track his more outrageous comments alongside the ups and downs of the English team. An added bonus with that MO is that you yourself remain a media darling which is useful in the future. Personally, I think he's a charlatan as a coach. More heat than light

prawnsambo · 16-03-2018 09:28AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think he adopts the Mourinho MO. Say controversial things to distract from the team especially when they are doing badly. It would be interesting to track his more outrageous comments alongside the ups and downs of the English team. An added bonus with that MO is that you yourself remain a media darling which is useful in the future. Personally, I think he's a charlatan as a coach. More heat than light

Those comments were made back last July though. England were riding a wave of wins despite losing to us in Lansdowne. There's no real context there of taking attention from the team. As others have said, it's just the Aussie coarse humour. Nothing more.

VinLieger · 16-03-2018 10:09AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Those comments were made back last July though. England were riding a wave of wins despite losing to us in Lansdowne. There's no real context there of taking attention from the team. As others have said, it's just the Aussie coarse humour. Nothing more.

Fair enough this wasn;t in the middle of a six nations or world cup etc but he behaves in a similar manner during tournaments with his constant bickering and snarky remarks to the press

16-03-2018 10:43AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Fair enough this wasn;t in the middle of a six nations or world cup etc but he behaves in a similar manner during tournaments with his constant bickering and snarky remarks to the press

Yeah exactly. It's just him and the way he carries on. Basically all the time.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 10:49AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Those comments were made back last July though. England were riding a wave of wins despite losing to us in Lansdowne. There's no real context there of taking attention from the team. As others have said, it's just the Aussie coarse humour. Nothing more.

Indeed. In many ways a thing of nothing. Just silly and awkward attempts at humour. I've often talked like that myself (but I'm not a national coach yet). Still, I don't recall Aussies Williams, Gaffney or Cheika calling other teams scummy or countries sh1t.

16-03-2018 11:02AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Indeed. In many ways a thing of nothing. Just silly and awkward attempts at humour. I've often talked like that myself (but I'm not a national coach yet). Still, I don't recall Aussies Williams, Gaffney or Cheika calling other teams scummy or countries sh1t.

Cheika has certainly said more than his prayers over the years.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 11:06AM

Haylee Steep Cub wrote: »

Cheika has certainly said more than his prayers over the years.

Absolutely. Still, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Jones. My point is that being Aussie isn't an excuse for calling teams scummy or countries sh1t.

Buer · 16-03-2018 11:15AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Absolutely. Still, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Jones. My point is that being Aussie isn't an excuse for calling teams scummy or countries sh1t.

I'd put Cheika in the exact same category. He's temperamental and uses the media for his own gain. He was investigated for calling officials f*cking cheats and having a pop at a supporter last autumn.

And, when he doesn't believe he's being watched by the world, he has no problem absolutely ripping into anyone and launching attacks. Anyone who read Jackman's book knows how caustic he can be or anyone who stayed around for a few minutes after the Ospreys won the title in the RDS in 2010 and saw Cheika speak to his players on the field.

The only difference is that Cheika isn't coaching our biggest neighbours and rivals the week of a GS decider.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 11:57AM

Buer wrote: »

I'd put Cheika in the exact same category. He's temperamental and uses the media for his own gain. He was investigated for calling officials f*cking cheats and having a pop at a supporter last autumn.

And, when he doesn't believe he's being watched by the world, he has no problem absolutely ripping into anyone and launching attacks. Anyone who read Jackman's book knows how caustic he can be or anyone who stayed around for a few minutes after the Ospreys won the title in the RDS in 2010 and saw Cheika speak to his players on the field.

The only difference is that Cheika isn't coaching our biggest neighbours and rivals the week of a GS decider.

Fair enough. At this stage, this is a bit like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. However, lashing into your players and castigating officials is a far cry from making 'funny' comments about a scummy national team or calling a country sh1t. That's the difference for me.

kuang1 · 16-03-2018 12:19PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Fair enough. At this stage, this is a bit like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Finally! I knew I'd be able to contribute properly to this thread at some point!

7.

It's 7.

7 Angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Professor Moriarty · 16-03-2018 12:51PM

kuang1 wrote: »

Finally! I knew I'd be able to contribute properly to this thread at some point!

7.

It's 7.

7 Angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Eddie Jones said it's 8. 8 scummy angels dancing on the head of a pin. And their dancing is sh1t.

prawnsambo · 16-03-2018 12:51PM

kuang1 wrote: »

Finally! I knew I'd be able to contribute properly to this thread at some point!

7.

It's 7.

7 Angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Ah, but is that a metric or imperial pin? :pac:

Scummy Irish, Wales sh1t and Messi freak

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