Scummy Irish, Wales sh1t and Messi freak

Hurrache

Deleted User wrote: »

Messi is a freak of

human growth hormones.

Can we not do this?

First thing that came to mind was that Nigel Owen's quote, "This is not football".

Professor Moriarty

It's certainly a thing of nothing in many ways. However, I can't imagine Schmidt commenting on 'the scummy English'. Which is an important difference between the two men. I'm glad we have Schmidt.

VinLieger

Anna Pitiful Ax wrote: »

Can we not do this?

First thing that came to mind was that Nigel Owen's quote, "This is not football".

Tell that to Eddie, he's the one who keeps trying to mindgame and insult everyone else similar to your average premiership manager hanging on to their job by their fingernails

To me it doesn't matter when he said it, to who he said it to or the timing of it being revealed, he said it end of and apologising isnt enough, hes shown this attitude both publicly and privately now so its quite obvious to me this is just the kind of reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage he is in all walks of life and rugby regardless of his coaching ability would be better off with less people like eddie involved in the sport

Buer

VinLieger wrote: »

To me it doesn't matter when he said it, to who he said it to or the timing of it being revealed, he said it end of and apologising isnt enough, hes shown this attitude both publicly and privately now so its quite obvious to me this is just the kind of reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage he is in all walks of life and rugby regardless of his coaching ability would be better off with less people like eddie involved in the sport

To me, that's a far more insulting comment about Jones than anything he said about Ireland or Wales.

I would imagine you don't know Jones at all to be in a position to say that he is a "reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage".

[Deleted User]

VinLieger wrote: »

Tell that to Eddie, he's the one who keeps trying to mindgame and insult everyone else similar to your average premiership manager hanging on to their job by their fingernails

To me it doesn't matter when he said it, to who he said it to or the timing of it being revealed, he said it end of and apologising isnt enough, hes shown this attitude both publicly and privately now so its quite obvious to me this is just the kind of reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage he is in all walks of life and rugby regardless of his coaching ability would be better off with less people like eddie involved in the sport

you didn't share a train with him from Edinburgh to Manchester by any chance?

Venjur

Buer wrote: »

To me, that's a far more insulting comment about Jones than anything he said about Ireland or Wales.

I would imagine you don't know Jones at all to be in a position to say that he is a "reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage".

Saying England would take Italy to the cleaners and then effectively accusing them of cheating in the aftermath along with his comments about Sexton's parents move him out of the 'charming friendly jibe' category as far as I'm concerned.

I couldn't care less about his comments for the most part, but he is the face of the RFU whilst coach and will do more interviews and speak at more events than anyone else in the RFU. As such, he should be mindful of how he represents them in public.

There are 100 things he could have called the Irish for a bit of fun but he chose a poor remark calling anyone scummy. I doubt he was intending any offence and I think this is a big deal about nothing, but it is a predictable big deal about nothing and he will probably avoid such remarks in the future.

mangobob

While I am hardly a fan of Jones, I honestly can't believe the level of overreaction to this. People are getting so hung up on the word "scummy". Context is vital here. If he were conducting a serious interview and called Irish people scum, or if he had written an article using the phrase "scummy Irish" then you would have a case that its offensive.

But he is on stage at a corporate event, speaking extemporaneously. In the course of this he tried to make a joke that England would avenge their defeat to the Irish which robbed them of their Grand Slam and the world record for the most wins. It was directed at an Irish guy on stage, ribbing him in a lighthearted manner. He obviously felt he could not swear, so in the heat of the moment he settled on the word scummy. Its just his vernacular. He could equally have said "those nasty Irish" or "those bloody Irish" or any number of other ways of expressing the same sentiment. Its a complete non-story, being totally blown out of proportion as usual by our hysterical media looking to stir up some outrage among their constituency of the perpetually offended in order to generate clicks.

The fact that he apologised does not prove in any way that the outrage is justified. His apology was merely a recognition that in this hyper PC age you have to pick your battles and this is not one that is worth fighting. I'm sure he realises now that ultimately one cannot win in a fight with the press anyway. They own the bully pulpit, so just grit your teeth, put out the standard apology for all "offence" caused and move on.

Furthermore I can't really understand the argument that it will give Ireland ammunition to go out and win. Honestly if we need to resort to spinning a bit of lighthearted banter into some kind of national grievance in order to get up for this game, or to cause us to play better, I would absolutely despair for us. That's the kind of thing you use in a junior cup game to get psyched. These are elite professional rugby players who are playing for a grand slam, to consolidate our 2nd place ranking and a potential financial windfall. They don't need this manufactured cr*p to give them any additional motivation. If anything, it could end up being a distraction.

Finally I hear a few people saying that his comments demonstrate his small man syndrome. I rather think the frenzied overreaction in some quarters here evince a clear case of "small country" syndrome. He also called wales a sh*t place and yet according to ESPN "the Welsh rugby management [found] the footage "humorous"". It's almost as if they realised he wasn't actually serious. What a pity we could not display the same level of common sense.

Connacht15

In the modern world, it's amazing that he is keeping his job. Also his mother is Japanese American, a people who suffered incredibly with internment in the Sates during the war!

VinLieger

Buer wrote: »

To me, that's a far more insulting comment about Jones than anything he said about Ireland or Wales.

I would imagine you don't know Jones at all to be in a position to say that he is a "reprehensible arrogant piece of garbage".

Reprehensible - deserving censure or condemnation
Arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
Garbage - rubbish or waste

I dont see how what i said about him is worse than what he said about us

Scum - a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.

pickarooney

Connacht15 wrote: »

In the modern world, it's amazing that he is keeping his job. Also his mother is Japanese American, a people who suffered incredibly with internment in the Sates during the war!

What on earth has that last bit got to do with anything?

irishbucsfan

VinLieger wrote: »

Reprehensible - deserving censure or condemnation
Arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
Garbage - rubbish or waste

I dont see how what i said about him is worse than what he said about us

Scum - a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.

The difference is in the context

Shefwedfan

Anyone that is "offended" by this video should automatic get a 1 week ban.....

The person who started a thread on it should get a 1 month ban

The "person" above who seems to think it is ok to make reference to Eddies heritage should get a lifetime ban

#shefwedfan for mod :-)

VinLieger

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The difference is in the context

I disagree, I think in context his casual throwaway comment shows exactly the kind of person he is.

I don't think he should be sacked and i doin't care if he apologises but I really don't understand anyone trying to defend him, the mans shown his colours and if he doesn't like the reception that the arrogant attitude he puts forward receives then tough luck, he needs to grow up and accept his actions and words have consequences

irishbucsfan

VinLieger wrote: »

I disagree, I think in context his casual throwaway comment shows exactly the kind of person he is.

I think an inability to spot a joke likely does the same for you.

jr86

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's certainly a thing of nothing in many ways. However, I can't imagine Schmidt commenting on 'the scummy English'. Which is an important difference between the two men. I'm glad we have Schmidt.

Do you really care about these kind of things? Our coach is a nicer guy than their coach!

I'm sure United fans really cared deeply about Alex ferguson's personality when he was winning trophies galore during his tenure

VinLieger

jr86 wrote: »

Do you really care about these kind of things? Our coach is a nicer guy than their coach!

I'm sure United fans really cared deeply about Alex ferguson's personality when he was winning trophies galore during his tenure

Yay now I get to use Nigel's quote "this is not football" and thank god for that

VinLieger

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think an inability to spot a joke likely does the same for you.

Notice nobody in the audience even laughed, if they had id maybe let you away with trying to claim it was a joke, but the key definition of a joke is they need to be funny.

Dont get me wrong im not offended in the least by what he said but that still doesn't change that what he said is wrong. I believe he was describing our way of play and that we somehow "robbed" them of their perfect season, record run of victories and a grand slam which lets be honest is pretty pathetic.

He's blaming his loss on us rather than his failures as a coach, the man is as I previously said arrogant and id nearly go as far to say verging narcissistic regarding his own abilities, if he does something wrong then it has to always be someone else's fault. Thats hardly an ideal trait to have in an international coach of any sport.

Professor Moriarty

jr86 wrote: »

Do you really care about these kind of things? Our coach is a nicer guy than their coach!

I'm sure United fans really cared deeply about Alex ferguson's personality when he was winning trophies galore during his tenure

I didn't say "nicer", that's your word. If you ask would I prefer a national coach who calls other teams "scummy" and other countries "sh1t" or would I prefer a coach who didn't do that, then I'd prefer the coach who didn't do that.

kuang1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone that is "offended" by this video should automatic get a 1 week ban.....

The person who started a thread on it should get a 1 month ban

The "person" above who seems to think it is ok to make reference to Eddies heritage should get a lifetime ban

#shefwedfan for mod :-)

Can we all thank this post.
Then can the mods act on the suggestions...
Then shut the embarassing thing down.

irishbucsfan

VinLieger wrote: »

Notice nobody in the audience even laughed, if they had id maybe let you away with trying to claim it was a joke, but the key definition of a joke is they need to be funny.

Dont get me wrong im not offended in the least by what he said but that still doesn't change that what he said is wrong. I believe he was describing our way of play and that we somehow "robbed" them of their perfect season, record run of victories and a grand slam which lets be honest is pretty pathetic.

He's blaming his loss on us rather than his failures as a coach, the man is as I previously said arrogant and id nearly go as far to say verging narcissistic regarding his own abilities, if he does something wrong then it has to always be someone else's fault. Thats hardly an ideal trait to have in an international coach of any sport.

Shocking overreaction.

I can really only refer you to the earlier post.

Deleted User wrote: »

The gentleman sitting behind Eddie Jones is an Irish guy, which is why he turned around and looked at him as he said it jokingly.

Messi is a freak of nature in being literally uniquely excellent at something, Japanese men and women are on average 1.5" shorter than UK men and women, and in fairness, I've said Wales is a **** place jokingly myself.

This was a leadership talk for the head company of the RFU's sponsor (Fuso > Mitsubishi), not a newspaper interview, or a public appearance. It's less formal and less serious.

Get a grip, yeah? Just because it's the internet it doesn't mean that you have to be offended by stuff.

jr86

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I didn't say "nicer", that's your word. If you ask would I prefer a national coach who calls other teams "scummy" and other countries "sh1t" or would I prefer a coach who didn't do that, then I'd prefer the coach who didn't do that.

Despite the fact it's been well and truly clarified in this thread he was directing the comment at an Irish person in a joking manner. If he was a regular spouter of racist/homophobic/sexist stereotypes or comments then yes, outrage would be absolutely justifiable and I certainly wouldn't want someone like that representing my nation

When did we all get so bloody precious? Would people ever lighten up, leave the faux outrage and hysterics to the twitter mob

VinLieger

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Shocking overreaction.

I can really only refer you to the earlier post.

LOL you are bad at reading, im pretty sure I specifically said im not offended by what he said.

I also fail to see how my voicing of my perception and opinion of the man and his actions is an over reaction..... it seems to me you're for some reason more offended by the fact that people don't like him than anything else

irishbucsfan

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL you are bad at reading, im pretty sure I specifically said im not offended by what he said.

I also fail to see how my voicing of my perception and opinion of the man and his actions is an over reaction..... it seems to me you're for some reason more offended by the fact that people don't like him than anything else

I was just pointing you there because of your ridiculous attempt to claim Eddie Jones was not joking. There's nowhere else to go from there really, I'm not personally capable of comprehending how you could misjudge his comment so massively unless you didn't actually take the time to listen to it.

VinLieger

jr86 wrote: »

When did we all get so bloody precious? Would people ever lighten up, leave the faux outrage and hysterics to the twitter mob

Someone else previously said in the thread that context mattered to me.

Consider this scenario, a good friend walks up to me and calls me a "wanker" im not going to be offended i know its probably a joke between us and ill laugh him off and slag him back.

A stranger or someone I don't get on with comes up and calls me the same im definitely going to be offended and pissed off.

Eddie jones has made a career of not getting on with his rivals, talking crap before games and generally stirring the pot and he's now surprised when him insulting them isn't taken in the jokey manner he apparently intended?

Context is important and maybe this was a private event and he never intended it to be made public but tough luck its out now and maybe he will learn his lesson to not be such an arrogant sh1t stirrer all the time.

irishbucsfan

'Context is important. But also tough luck because I'm going to ignore the context.'

VinLieger

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I was just pointing you there because of your ridiculous attempt to claim Eddie Jones was not joking. There's nowhere else to go from there really, I'm not personally capable of comprehending how you could misjudge his comment so massively unless you didn't actually take the time to listen to it.

I listened to it, took the time to hear someone laugh, didn't hear any and therefore concluded it wasn't a joke as again jokes need to be funny especially for the audience that is hearing them. If they had laughed id concede it was a joke, they didn't therefore it wasn't.

VinLieger

irishbucsfan wrote: »

'Context is important. But also tough luck because I'm going to ignore the context.'

Good for you being incapable of understanding there's sometimes a larger context to things.

Buer

VinLieger wrote: »

Good for you being incapable of understanding there's sometimes a larger context to things.

There's not. You've just made up your mind on something and are using confirmation bias in this scenario.

Yeah_Right

Connacht15 wrote: »

Also his mother is Japanese American, a people who suffered incredibly with internment in the Sates during the war!

What??? Can you tell me how this has anything to do with what Jones said?