Skinny jeans?

yesto24 · 12-03-2018 05:04PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

When things of consequences change, the ought to change for the better. Fashion is (notionally) a matter of style and expression. It would be wrong for fashion to stay so similar that the old folks approve it.
You’re saying fashion changes ought to be better than what preceded them? That’s not something I would argue. Do you think fashion changes ought to be for the ‘better’?

I think that when old people resort to calling young people ‘less-than-virile’ or not ‘real men’ then you’re hearing the old boy’s swan song.

Could all the old boys think back to when they were young and skinny and tell me if the old folks back then thought the new fashions were a good thing? Is anyone going to tell me that 60 year old people were sitting around complementing punks on their fashion when it was new?

The old boys probably need to start shopping in old boy shops, cos Top Man ain’t making jeans for you.

No of course punks looked stupid then and look stupid now.
The difference is there was something behind looking like a punk.
What's the reason for young guys dressing like this? It doesn't look good. I can't imagine its comfortable. It doesn't signal you are part of some group.
What is the reason?
Is it because everyone else is?

elefant · 12-03-2018 05:05PM

I'm always amused by the references in these threads to men needing loser jeans to pack their junk in.

Does a subsection of the Irish male population just tend to have comically large testicles?

yesto24 · 12-03-2018 05:07PM

elefant wrote: »

I'm always amused by the references in these threads to men needing loser jeans to pack their junk in.

Does a subsection of the Irish male population just tend to have comically large testicles?

I would have thought someone called elefant would know about this.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-03-2018 05:41PM

yesto24 wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

When things of consequences change, the ought to change for the better. Fashion is (notionally) a matter of style and expression. It would be wrong for fashion to stay so similar that the old folks approve it.
You’re saying fashion changes ought to be better than what preceded them? That’s not something I would argue. Do you think fashion changes ought to be for the ‘better’?

I think that when old people resort to calling young people ‘less-than-virile’ or not ‘real men’ then you’re hearing the old boy’s swan song.

Could all the old boys think back to when they were young and skinny and tell me if the old folks back then thought the new fashions were a good thing? Is anyone going to tell me that 60 year old people were sitting around complementing punks on their fashion when it was new?

The old boys probably need to start shopping in old boy shops, cos Top Man ain’t making jeans for you.

No of course punks looked stupid then and look stupid now.
The difference is there was something behind looking like a punk.
What's the reason for young guys dressing like this? It doesn't look good. I can't imagine its comfortable. It doesn't signal you are part of some group.
What is the reason?
Is it because everyone else is?

Take any of the other trends from olden times. Mods, rockers, or perms or moustaches. Did they all have to mean something? Or take fashion from today like old men with baggy jeans like Clarkson or wearing gym gear into Tesco after a workout. Do those fashions mean something?

I think you're expecting young people's fashion to have meaning that you wouldn't expect from people in your own group. Does your own fashion mean something?

I'll take a stab at attributing meaning to skinny jeans. In order to wear skinny jeans well you need to be skinny. It implies youth and health it implies fitness which is also in vogue at the moment. So skinny jeans signal youth and fitness and thinness.

But ultimately skinny jeans p1ss off old people so they're doing enough right there without breaking it down any further.

chrissb8 · 12-03-2018 06:15PM

Like any pair of jeans the right skinny pair of jeans are comfortable as anything. I hated baggy jeans looking back on it. Felt like more weight and always having to be readjusted from the inevitable sag. Perfect pair of skinny is a little bit of leg room or even better stretch but not skin tight like a pair of super skinny jeans. I think they make people look smarter and more elegant. Certainly neater than jeans hanging over your shoes and giving no idea of what the body looks like. The lads who wear those "jeans" that are spray painted on along with whatever dumb look they picked up from those rancid lads on Geordie Shore have taken it too far.

topper75 · 12-03-2018 06:31PM

elefant wrote: »

I'm always amused by the references in these threads to men needing loser jeans to pack their junk in.

Does a subsection of the Irish male population just tend to have comically large testicles?

Whatever my own assessment is worth, I reckon I'm ordinary enough in that regard and not outsize! If they have room to maneuvre they are happy. If not, they are not.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It implies youth and health it implies fitness which is also in vogue at the moment. So skinny jeans signal youth and fitness and thinness.

But ultimately skinny jeans p1ss off old people so they're doing enough right there without breaking it down any further.

If they hold no practical use beyond getting up the nose of your parents, I'm not sold I'm afraid. I need some practical benefit to be convinced of the merits of something. To be clear - it is not the jeans that piss off older people - it is the ubiquitous stocking of them in shops and the difficulty that poses for people seeking a regular offering.

From your rationale for wearing them, I can tell you that when you see running shorts, you will absolutely explode. I might not want to be there.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-03-2018 08:03PM

topper75 wrote: »

If they hold no practical use beyond getting up the nose of your parents, I'm not sold I'm afraid. I need some practical benefit to be convinced of the merits of something. To be clear - it is not the jeans that piss off older people - it is the ubiquitous stocking of them in shops and the difficulty that poses for people seeking a regular offering.

From your rationale for wearing them, I can tell you that when you see running shorts, you will absolutely explode. I might not want to be there.

But you don’t need to be sold on them. It’s a supply and demand issue and there is enough demand with or without you.

Is practical utility the way you judge your own sense of style? Depends on what utility you’re after. Overalls are good for dirty work that might tear a silk shirt. Stylish suit might be best for office work. Jeans and t shirt might be most suitable for IT work. I don’t really follow your logic for discrediting skinny jeans or anything else the young people wear. It’s just the style people choose.

FWIW, it’s not just the availability of baggy jeans that’s been discussed in this thread. Lots of posters have taken pit shots at young men’s virility and manliness because of their style.

It’s simple supply and demand. The young people wear skinny jeans so young people’s shops stock skinny jeans. Old people like baggy jeans so presumably old people’s shops stock baggy jeans.

Why would I explode when I see running shorts? I don’t care what other people wear.

Middle Man · 13-03-2018 01:38AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But you don’t need to be sold on them. It’s a supply and demand issue and there is enough demand with or without you.

Is practical utility the way you judge your own sense of style? Depends on what utility you’re after. Overalls are good for dirty work that might tear a silk shirt. Stylish suit might be best for office work. Jeans and t shirt might be most suitable for IT work. I don’t really follow your logic for discrediting skinny jeans or anything else the young people wear. It’s just the style people choose.

FWIW, it’s not just the availability of baggy jeans that’s been discussed in this thread. Lots of posters have taken pit shots at young men’s virility and manliness because of their style.

It’s simple supply and demand. The young people wear skinny jeans so young people’s shops stock skinny jeans. Old people like baggy jeans so presumably old people’s shops stock baggy jeans.

Why would I explode when I see running shorts? I don’t care what other people wear.

I'll say this once again:

Loose Fit clothes are not baggy - baggy clothes don't fit - simple as!

A good loose fit style requires proper measurements (shirts in the proper loose style for example would have around 2" extra in folded fabric either side when pinched) - just because the 1990's "fashion" (and indeed some of the current trends out there) ditched the concept of proper measurement doesn't mean that loose fitting styles are illegitimate - ditto for trim styles that are suited for the body shape and properly measured.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2018 08:08AM

Middle Man wrote: »

I'll say this once again:

Loose Fit clothes are not baggy - baggy clothes don't fit - simple as!

A good loose fit style requires proper measurements (shirts in the proper loose style for example would have around 2" extra in folded fabric either side when pinched) - just because the 1990's "fashion" (and indeed some of the current trends out there) ditched the concept of proper measurement doesn't mean that loose fitting styles are illegitimate - ditto for trim styles that are suited for the body shape and properly measured.

Alright. Baggier than the current style. I'm sure you'll find your missing 2inches of folded fabric in shops that caters to older people.

Leave the young people to shop in TopMan and you shop in an age/style appropriate shop, and it probably won't be a big problem for you.

eviltimeban · 13-03-2018 08:34AM

yesto24 wrote: »

No of course punks looked stupid then and look stupid now.
The difference is there was something behind looking like a punk.
What's the reason for young guys dressing like this? It doesn't look good. I can't imagine its comfortable. It doesn't signal you are part of some group.
What is the reason?
Is it because everyone else is?

That's the bigger problem I feel, that clothes no longer signify what a young person might be into. In the 90s you still had punks, cure heads, ravers, "baggy", grunge kids... Sure everyone grew out of them but it was great having all those tribes.

I used to wear massively wide jeans, as wide as I could get (not just flared - wide all the way down), baggy t shirts, well into that Stone Roses look. But I'm not dumb enough to try and wear that in my 40s. Nor will I wear boot cut. No, it's a straight leg jean for me. And slightly more anonymous clothes, though I do like big parkas and recently bought a pair of DMs (which are a bit too big for me but I still like them).

I prefer to express myself now with suits, even wearing a well cut suit now will make you stand out. Most Irish men haven't a clue about how to wear suits.

topper75 · 13-03-2018 11:59AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I prefer to express myself now with suits, even wearing a well cut suit now will make you stand out. Most Irish men haven't a clue about how to wear suits.

At the risk of going tangential - do tell us more...what am I doing wrong potentially when I slip on the suit?

eviltimeban · 13-03-2018 12:20PM

topper75 wrote: »

At the risk of going tangential - do tell us more...what am I doing wrong potentially when I slip on the suit?

I can't speak for you personally, but most guys don't wear suits that fits them, or are made from cheap material (and look cheap). Most Irish men (and I'm aware I'm generalising, but you only need to walk around the streets to see evidence) consider suits as something they have to wear, rather than want to wear, so therefore spend as little as possible on them.

What I'm talking about includes: Bad jacket fit across shoulders, leading to collar gap and / or lapels bowing; jackets that are too long or too short; jackets not tailored at all; all the buttons fastened on jacket; sleeves too long / shirt sleeves not long enough / shirt sleeves too long; ill fitting shirts; badly knotted tie / tie too big for collar; no concept of matching patterns; trousers too long and baggy; shoes not polished / cheap shoes that have pointy toes (pointing up); wearing trainers with suit.

freshpopcorn · 13-03-2018 03:48PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I can't speak for you personally, but most guys don't wear suits that fits them, or are made from cheap material (and look cheap). Most Irish men (and I'm aware I'm generalising, but you only need to walk around the streets to see evidence) consider suits as something they have to wear, rather than want to wear, so therefore spend as little as possible on them.

What I'm talking about includes: Bad jacket fit across shoulders, leading to collar gap and / or lapels bowing; jackets that are too long or too short; jackets not tailored at all; all the buttons fastened on jacket; sleeves too long / shirt sleeves not long enough / shirt sleeves too long; ill fitting shirts; badly knotted tie / tie too big for collar; no concept of matching patterns; trousers too long and baggy; shoes not polished / cheap shoes that have pointy toes (pointing up); wearing trainers with suit.

That's very true most guys I know hate wearing suits along with myself.
It's actually one of the things I fear about dying is that I'll be buried in one.
I got convinced of buying a very good well fitting suit a few years ago. Biggest mistake of my life.(Well that's a big dramatic but you know what I mean)

eviltimeban · 13-03-2018 04:18PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's very true most guys I know hate wearing suits along with myself.
It's actually one of the things I fear about dying is that I'll be buried in one.
I got convinced of buying a very good well fitting suit a few years ago. Biggest mistake of my life.(Well that's a big dramatic but you know what I mean)

When you have a good (and good doesn't have to mean expensive) suit on, matched with a good fitting shirt and nice tie, with polished, stylish shoes, you'll feel like a million dollars. It'll be comfortable and fit your body. You won't want to take it off. You'll want to wear it all the time. They say that a guy in a superbly fitting suit is as attractive to women as a girl in a bikini is to men. Apparently.

If you have a job where you HAVE to wear a suit, you might as well own it and get the best looking version of that within your budget. I always recommend Suit Supply.

Anyway, should probably get back OT. Skinny jeans... not for me. Appartenly loose / baggy jeans were all over the menswear shows last year, and it usually takes about 3 years for new styles to filter down to the high street... so in two years we should all be walking around with our trousers swishing around.

Effects · 13-03-2018 04:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are getting harder to avoid. Straight cut jeans are becoming more and more like skinny jeans I have noticed. And to actually find a pair of boot cut to fit over my boots for work is a minor miracle

Why do you have to wear boot cut jeans with your work boots?
Work boots are getting skinnier too with trends.

You'll always be safe with Jack n Jones though.

freshpopcorn · 13-03-2018 04:24PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

When you have a good (and good doesn't have to mean expensive) suit on, matched with a good fitting shirt and nice tie, with polished, stylish shoes, you'll feel like a million dollars. It'll be comfortable and fit your body. You won't want to take it off. You'll want to wear it all the time. They say that a guy in a superbly fitting suit is as attractive to women as a girl in a bikini is to men. Apparently.

If you have a job where you HAVE to wear a suit, you might as well own it and get the best looking version of that within your budget. I always recommend Suit Supply.
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It was a very good and well fitting suit. I had a job at the time that required. I felt terribly I despised it. I'd have preferred to wear my school uniform again than wear it. Suits are simply not for me.
You clearly like them and I thought I would as well but they weren't for me.

Effects · 13-03-2018 04:25PM

yesto24 wrote: »

It doesn't signal you are part of some group.
What is the reason?
Is it because everyone else is?

Surely wearing them because everyone else is does signal that you're part of some group?

freshpopcorn · 13-03-2018 04:29PM

Regarding guys wanting boot cut and straight cut jeans.
I've seen them in Next, Debenhams, Jack Jones, Tommy Hillfiger, M&M direct. even River Island. Now styles did vary but you could get a pair if you wanted to either online or in store.

Floppybits · 13-03-2018 04:52PM

Went into a shop yesterday to get a pair of jeans, asked about the normal style that I buy and the girl in the shop says they don't them anymore all they have is skinny, Slim, Regular, Comfort or boot cut, she advises me that I should try them all to see which fits best. I have to ask if Skinny or Slim jeans are really jeans, I felt the cloth yesterday and it is softer and stretchier than normal jeans but is it demin? As far as I know jeans are made from Demin and if its not demin then they are not jeans.

Anyways tried on the Comfort and Slim "jeans", comfort where are size smaller than the Slim ones but fit much better, I was shocked that I could get the slim jeans half way up my thighs.

Need to go back and try the regular, I wont try the skinny ones, they are a lost cause.

eviltimeban · 13-03-2018 05:55PM

You can get "regular" jeans in many shops. Arnotts for example. Diesel, Superdry, Levi's, all do straight leg jeans that aren't skinny or slim. Carhartt and Quiksilver also do looser jeans.

Next do a loose fit, which is actually loose, for €40. Plenty of places to go. Just stay out of Topman and H&M. What else are you expecting from those kinds of stores? Plus their jeans are sh*te material. You can smell the chemicals.

NinetyTwoTeam · 13-03-2018 06:16PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

yesto24 wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

When things of consequences change, the ought to change for the better. Fashion is (notionally) a matter of style and expression. It would be wrong for fashion to stay so similar that the old folks approve it.
You’re saying fashion changes ought to be better than what preceded them? That’s not something I would argue. Do you think fashion changes ought to be for the ‘better’?

I think that when old people resort to calling young people ‘less-than-virile’ or not ‘real men’ then you’re hearing the old boy’s swan song.

Could all the old boys think back to when they were young and skinny and tell me if the old folks back then thought the new fashions were a good thing? Is anyone going to tell me that 60 year old people were sitting around complementing punks on their fashion when it was new?

The old boys probably need to start shopping in old boy shops, cos Top Man ain’t making jeans for you.

No of course punks looked stupid then and look stupid now.
The difference is there was something behind looking like a punk.
What's the reason for young guys dressing like this? It doesn't look good. I can't imagine its comfortable. It doesn't signal you are part of some group.
What is the reason?
Is it because everyone else is?

Take any of the other trends from olden times. Mods, rockers, or perms or moustaches. Did they all have to mean something? Or take fashion from today like old men with baggy jeans like Clarkson or wearing gym gear into Tesco after a workout. Do those fashions mean something?

I think you're expecting young people's fashion to have meaning that you wouldn't expect from people in your own group. Does your own fashion mean something?

I'll take a stab at attributing meaning to skinny jeans. In order to wear skinny jeans well you need to be skinny. It implies youth and health it implies fitness which is also in vogue at the moment. So skinny jeans signal youth and fitness and thinness.

But ultimately skinny jeans p1ss off old people so they're doing enough right there without breaking it down any further.

this dude (or duderino) gets it.

tho if you look at some of the newest most fashion forward stuff coming out like olive menswear or cos (tho they don't really do jeans) it's all much roomier stuff, dad jeans, easy fit, high waisted coming back, but you still need to be thin to look good in them, that's basically the way with most fashion, and people who are too fat for it often have to attack it for that reason alone

Effects · 13-03-2018 06:44PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In order to wear skinny jeans well you need to be skinny. It implies youth and health it implies fitness which is also in vogue at the moment. So skinny jeans signal youth and fitness and thinness.

Not being skinny didn't stop Paul Galvin wearing skinny jeans.

As for it implying fitness, a lot of the people I see wearing them it's the opposite. It's like they actually try to atrophy their muscles as much as possible somehow. I can't understand how some of them can stand up.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2018 06:59PM

Effects wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In order to wear skinny jeans well you need to be skinny. It implies youth and health it implies fitness which is also in vogue at the moment. So skinny jeans signal youth and fitness and thinness.

Not being skinny didn't stop Paul Galvin wearing skinny jeans.

As for it implying fitness, a lot of the people I see wearing them it's the opposite. It's like they actually try to atrophy their muscles as much as possible somehow. I can't understand how some of them can stand up.

Ok so people who are overweight don't wear them well, somewhat does that tell you about people who wear them well? That they're skinny and or fit. That's part of the allure.

Why do you think skinny jeans are successful as opposed to any other fashion trend?

Effects · 13-03-2018 08:45PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why do you think skinny jeans are successful as opposed to any other fashion trend?

All trends are successful really, aren't they?

I wouldn't wear them myself. Purely for comfort reasons.

Being skinny and/or fit is almost always desirable. But I guess some fashion periods don't always show that off.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2018 09:44PM

Effects wrote: »

All trends are successful really, aren't they?

I wouldn't wear them myself. Purely for comfort reasons.

Being skinny and/or fit is almost always desirable. But I guess some fashion periods don't always show that off.

Sure. This particular trend does play on fitness and skinnyness. The clue is in the title along with slim and skinny fit shirts. Not sure what your point is tbh.

Effects · 13-03-2018 10:03PM

My point is that your post makes no sense. To paraphrase what you said, "Why do you think a successful trend is successful, opposed to other successful trends".

Most of the people who wear skinny jeans might be skinny, but they aren't fit. It's not the same thing.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2018 10:41PM

Effects wrote: »

My point is that your post makes no sense. To paraphrase what you said, "Why do you think a successful trend is successful, opposed to other successful trends".

Most of the people who wear skinny jeans might be skinny, but they aren't fit. It's not the same thing.

It's an image inherent in the style. It doesn't mean they are skinnyness fit It's in the name "skinny". I don't know what else you need to know.

Effects · 13-03-2018 11:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's an image inherent in the style. It doesn't mean they are skinnyness fit It's in the name "skinny". I don't know what else you need to know.

It's not though. It just seems that you don't know what fitness means and equate it with being skinny. Let's just agree to disagree on it.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2018 11:30PM

Effects wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's an image inherent in the style. It doesn't mean they are skinnyness fit It's in the name "skinny". I don't know what else you need to know.

It's not though. It just seems that you don't know what fitness means and equate it with being skinny. Let's just agree to disagree on it.

I'm not saying they're the same thing. I'm also not saying I think everyone who wears skinny jeans is actually skinny or fit. But it's plain as day that's the image it cultivates. Apart from the name 'skinny', the cut advertises thinness when worn by thin person.

I would love to know what you think the point of a skin tight cut with stretch properties to mould to the body shape, is for.

drillyeye · 13-03-2018 11:53PM

Its an effeminate form of dressing, entirely down to the gender-bending hysterics of the current time.

"fitness"....

And Topman is some seriously ironic name, in more ways than one.

But I don't mind if people keep wearing them, its amusing. Its even more amusing when you see other onlookers amused at the same time. Gas!

Skinny jeans?

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