Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

danganabu · 08-03-2018 12:46PM

Irish Beef wrote: »

Its far from a dead rubber as far as Kilkenny are concerned, we need to keep momentum going within the team, its fine trying a few different guys here and there but its important to keep a strong core of experience within the team or it could lose its shape, Id like to see the younger guys coming onto a winning team and having the likes of wally and TJ around them.

I'd agree if it was a case that Wexford were putting out a strong team or if Wexford had something tangible to play for, the reality is they dont and have already confirmed they will be resting some if not all of their leading stars.

I do agree with the sentiment that very little can be learned by throwing a team full of new players together and that the best way to introduce new or inexperienced players is to mix them with the more established players.

But the notion of fielding a stronger more experienced team than has been selected all league is nonsensical and Cody and his management team would learn nothing from going down that route.

Irish Beef · 08-03-2018 01:24PM

danganabu wrote: »

I'd agree if it was a case that Wexford were putting out a strong team or if Wexford had something tangible to play for, the reality is they dont and have already confirmed they will be resting some if not all of their leading stars.

I do agree with the sentiment that very little can be learned by throwing a team full of new players together and that the best way to introduce new or inexperienced players is to mix them with the more established players.

But the notion of fielding a stronger more experienced team than has been selected all league is nonsensical and Cody and his management team would learn nothing from going down that route.

Its easy for Davy to be resting guys as he already has six points and he hasn't tried nearly as many guys as us throughout the league, this match is more important for us. There's plenty of room for experimentation on sunday as long as we keep a good level of experience on the field and we can still try a few guys, however as far as I'm concerned a win here is very important and any changes that are made cant get in the way of that happening and I think Cody will be taking a similar approach.

danganabu · 08-03-2018 01:42PM

Grats wrote: »

I agree. This is a crucial match and it's certainly not the time for experimenting. In fact I'd go all out and strengthen the team where possible. Leahy had to start as do the experienced players to show leadership. A win would be huge confidence booster.

Irish Beef wrote: »

There's plenty of room for experimentation on sunday as long as we keep a good level of experience on the field and we can still try a few guys

Ah yeah I wasnt advocating a mass change Beef, I agree with keeping some experienced players on the field, it was the quoted post above that I didnt agree with which id suggesting a full strenght 15, I fail to see how much confidence can be gained from beating a second string Wexford outfit with nothing to play for, teh result on Sunday will have absolutely no bearing on the Leinster Championship and to be honest I think KK can experiment and it won't jeopardise their chances of wining the game and maintaing the momentum. If you dont play a few of the fringe players on Sunday when are you going to play them??

dastardly00 · 08-03-2018 04:15PM

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

Given that KK have lost to Wexford in their last three competitive meetings, that's one reason for this upcoming match not to be a dead rubber (for KK).

danganabu · 08-03-2018 04:29PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Given that KK have lost to Wexford in their last three competitive meetings, that's one reason for this upcoming match not to be a dead rubber (for KK).

Thats very true and no harm to put down a marker, just not convinced that it can be quantified in anyway when Wexford are treating it as a warm up for the QF's and if its a dead rubber for one team then its generally the same for the other.

Obviously people don't agree with and I'm sorry I said anything

so we'll agree to disagree and the discussion can revert to the game in hand.

piuswal · 08-03-2018 05:11PM

If Clare lost KK could top the table.

dastardly00 · 08-03-2018 06:24PM

danganabu wrote: »

Thats very true and no harm to put down a marker, just not convinced that it can be quantified in anyway when Wexford are treating it as a warm up for the QF's and if its a dead rubber for one team then its generally the same for the other.

Obviously people don't agree with and I'm sorry I said anything so we'll agree to disagree and the discussion can revert to the game in hand.

If KK have a good start... Davy will go ballistic... and it will be anything but a dead rubber!

Cornerback1 · 08-03-2018 10:34PM

Any word on Conor Fogarty these days?

Mankbag · 08-03-2018 10:50PM

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

EVERY game is important to Brian Cody.

brookville · 08-03-2018 10:51PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Any word on Conor Fogarty these days?

it said on the kilkenny people that he along with eoin murphy could be available,conor had a virus which was difficult to shake off.

Grats · 08-03-2018 11:27PM

As I said previously we should put out the strongest team possible on Sunday. Obviously that's not the same as a full strength team right now as a number of players are still not available. Cody has been experimenting, as Kilkenny supporters well know, and many so called 'fringe players' have been tried. Some have grasped the opportunity and one would expect those to continue to be used along with the few experienced ones we have. That's my idea of the strongest team possible!

If Fogarty, Murphy and Aylward are available they should be used too - particularly Fogarty and Aylward as they've missed out a lot to date.

Davy and others can approach the final round as they see fit but Cody has different needs and focus.

Village87 · 09-03-2018 09:14AM

Grats wrote: »

As I said previously we should put out the strongest team possible on Sunday. Obviously that's not the same as a full strength team right now as a number of players are still not available. Cody has been experimenting, as Kilkenny supporters well know, and many so called 'fringe players' have been tried. Some have grasped the opportunity and one would expect those to continue to be used along with the few experienced ones we have. That's my idea of the strongest team possible!

If Fogarty, Murphy and Aylward are available they should be used too - particularly Fogarty and Aylward as they've missed out a lot to date.

Davy and others can approach the final round as they see fit but Cody has different needs and focus.

Cody will be going for the win, make no bones about it. The reason i am stating that Kilkenny try out lads is that they are carrying 50+ hurlers how can these lads all have a got a chance ?

As for Fogarty, hasn't been a loss, Players like Leahy can step in and do the world of hurling, thats what we need from our midfielders now along with working hard.

Grats · 09-03-2018 10:08AM

I think everyone is aware of Leahy's capabilities and would be in agreement with him starting on Sunday. Fogarty has had a virus for some months and if he's fit and well he deserves a run.

dastardly00 · 09-03-2018 12:13PM

I think I read somewhere on this thread that Fogarty had glandular fever.
If that's the case, it can take a long time to recover from it.

dastardly00 · 09-03-2018 12:28PM

Decent article outlining the permutations for the final round of fixtures:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0308/945977-the-permutations-ahead-of-decisive-hurling-weekend/

dobbs2210 · 09-03-2018 05:13PM

A few players were dropped from the Kilkenny panel this week. Sean Morrissey and Chris Bolger were definitely two and there was one or two more that were cut.

brookville · 09-03-2018 05:35PM

dobbs2210 wrote: »

A few players were dropped from the Kilkenny panel this week. Sean Morrissey and Chris Bolger were definitely two and there was one or two more that were cut.

Not shocked about Bolger but a little dissapointed.I heard he wasn't great in the 2 recent challenge matches.he has time on his side tho hopefully he can force his way back into the panel.

dubcat51 · 09-03-2018 07:13PM

Well if bolger is dropped surely conor martin should be joining him.

Garyp88 · 09-03-2018 07:16PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Well if bolger is dropped surely conor martin should be joining him.

I'm thinking the same bolger played well for clara last year, he scored against laois in the Walsh Cup and not played since I heard he did OK in the challenge matches. Connor Martin has been poor least bolger is capable of getting a goal

brookville · 09-03-2018 07:46PM

Garyp88 wrote: »

I'm thinking the same bolger played well for clara last year, he scored against laois in the Walsh Cup and not played since I heard he did OK in the challenge matches. Connor Martin has been poor least bolger is capable of getting a goal

Didn't start against na piarsigh came on and caught one or two balls but didn't do anything with them but after looking at him at club level and seeing as he started against limerick and came on against waterford I'm surprised his after being dropped I would of thought he was ahead of some on the panel.
It's up to himself to work harder and try get back on the panel but with the championship structure the way it is we mightnt see him this year in a county jersey.

tbiggertycome · 09-03-2018 09:18PM

Kil v Wex
D Brennan
J Holden P Walsh P Deegan
C Delaney C Buckley E Morrissey
J Maher R Leahy
M Keoghan TJ Reid P Lyng
J Donnelly W Walsh G Aylward
Subs
R Reid
C OShea
C Browne
R Lennon
L Ryan
O Walsh
L Scanlon
L Blanchfield
A Murphy
C Martin
B Ryan

brookville · 09-03-2018 09:31PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Kil v Wex
D Brennan
J Holden P Walsh P Deegan
C Delaney C Buckley E Morrissey
J Maher R Leahy
M Keoghan TJ Reid P Lyng
J Donnelly W Walsh G Aylward
Subs
R Reid
C OShea
C Browne
R Lennon
L Ryan
O Walsh
L Scanlon
L Blanchfield
A Murphy
C Martin
B Ryan

Good to see brennan getting another run in goal.Murphy and fogarty mustn't be right yet also good to see aylward back after a frustrating time with injuries.
11 of this team started against waterford minus murphy lester,billy ryan and oshea in come brennan,maher,leahy and aylward.

Grats · 09-03-2018 11:42PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Kil v Wex
D Brennan
J Holden P Walsh P Deegan
C Delaney C Buckley E Morrissey
J Maher R Leahy
M Keoghan TJ Reid P Lyng
J Donnelly W Walsh G Aylward
Subs
R Reid
C OShea
C Browne
R Lennon
L Ryan
O Walsh
L Scanlon
L Blanchfield
A Murphy
C Martin
B Ryan

Glad to see Cody is taking this match serious as most on here had hoped. Strong team and glad to see Aylward and Delaney included. Tipp putting out a strong team also, another county taking the last round serious.

SteJer · 10-03-2018 12:13AM

Grats wrote: »

Glad to see Cody is taking this match serious as most on here had hoped. Strong team and glad to see Aylward and Delaney included. Tipp putting out a strong team also, another county taking the last round serious.

All counties have named the strongest possible team they have available. Davy will too. The players he'll say he is "resting" are actually not available through injury. Any manager who wants to lose momentum at this stage would want their head examined. Davy would love to beat KK for the 4th time in succession. If Wexford win he'll say he was always out to win it. If they lose he'll say it's because he was "resting" players.

robwen · 10-03-2018 12:26AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Decent article outlining the permutations for the final round of fixtures:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0308/945977-the-permutations-ahead-of-decisive-hurling-weekend/

Are we the live or deferred game Sunday on tg4, the end of this article says we are live & Galway Limerick is the deferred game at 4 wasn't it down to be the other way round last week?

SteJer · 10-03-2018 12:39AM

robwen wrote: »

Are we the live or deferred game Sunday on tg4, the end of this article says we are live & Galway Limerick is the deferred game at 4 wasn't it down to be the other way round last week?

Our game is deferred, on at 16:15. Galway v Limerick live at 14:30.

dirkmeister · 10-03-2018 01:04AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Decent article outlining the permutations for the final round of fixtures:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0308/945977-the-permutations-ahead-of-decisive-hurling-weekend/

Classic RTÉ.

It seems they didn’t bother to look at the table properly.

Kilkenny should be ahead of Tipp and Waterford should be ahead of Cork, seeing as they are going on head to head.

brookville · 10-03-2018 05:06PM

Well done to both Kilkenny colleges who won today.

danganabu · 10-03-2018 08:08PM

SteJer wrote: »

All counties have named the strongest possible team they have available.

No they haven't and not even close in some cases.

SteJer · 10-03-2018 09:50PM

danganabu wrote: »

No they haven't and not even close in some cases.

You obviously haven't a clue. Enjoy the soccer tomorrow.

Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Comments

Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*