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kippy · 04-03-2018 09:20PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Dead right. US Murph talks about sport as if he likes it. I don't know what the story is with so many contributors to so many podcasts just sneering their way through it. It's getting very tiresome.

Eventually I think they all just come to the conclusion that there are far more beneficial things they could be doing with their lives.
I mean the consistent over analysis of something outside ones own control is tiresome - coupled with the fact that the sport itself is generally not a great spectator sport for the neutral and that they spend more time talking about the managers than the players just gets boring.

US Murph is US - I am sure deep down he is just as negative/dissilussioned but he's better at reflecting everything in a positive, stereotypical, US light.

splendid101 · 04-03-2018 09:23PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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It's just over a year since the paid subscription model was introduced.

How could you think it was five years? That's gas.

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-03-2018 09:30PM

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dulux99 · 04-03-2018 10:29PM

kippy wrote: »

Eventually I think they all just come to the conclusion that there are far more beneficial things they could be doing with their lives.
I mean the consistent over analysis of something outside ones own control is tiresome - coupled with the fact that the sport itself is generally not a great spectator sport for the neutral and that they spend more time talking about the managers than the players just gets boring.

US Murph is US - I am sure deep down he is just as negative/dissilussioned but he's better at reflecting everything in a positive, stereotypical, US light.

Right.... That's a fairly depressing way of looking at sports journalism, but if it is the case then those people should not be brought on the podcast then. There are plenty of contributors who actually enjoy the sports they follow and report on. The amount of contributors is not finite

tomwaits48 · 05-03-2018 11:59AM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Dead right. US Murph talks about sport as if he likes it. I don't know what the story is with so many contributors to so many podcasts just sneering their way through it. It's getting very tiresome.

Miguel Delaney is very bad for this. And Glendenning on the other one.

Blanco100 · 05-03-2018 12:03PM

dulux99 wrote: »

Right.... That's a fairly depressing way of looking at sports journalism, but if it is the case then those people should not be brought on the podcast then. There are plenty of contributors who actually enjoy the sports they follow and report on. The amount of contributors is not finite

i'd tend to agree with the OP. Sports commentary/analysis has reached saturation point. Premier league football in particular is on a downward trajectory in terms of punditry, comment and analysis.

The podcast market is awash with people commenting on the same subject matter, painstakingly trying to be different and find some non existent angle to make their wares stand out over the rest.

Second captains, off the ball, football weekly, sunday supplement, the game, totally football show, skys football podcast etc..

Its definately overkill at this stage, i'm a football fanatic myself but can only listen to so much. Listening to Jamie Redknapp and Thierry Henry on sky can be infuriating, such a basic lack of intelligence, both say so much without actually saying anything.

But equally annoying at this stage are the more articulate pundits (and don't they know it) who seem to revel in their own opinion that the world is waiting to hear what they have to say about (insert questionable refereeing decision) or what Jose Mourinho says in his press conference.

Less people are watching football these days, and those who do often tend to watch the game and skip the half time/post game guff.

Blanco100 · 05-03-2018 12:05PM

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Miguel Delaney is very bad for this. And Glendenning on the other one.

Miguel Delaney having a job like he does is symptomatic of how this industry is disappearing down the toilet.

I do not know one person/football fan who enjoys his work. I can only speak for myself but whenever he shows up on a show/podcast I turn it off, I cannot for the life of me listen to him. Its excruciating. At least Glendenning has a hint of humour about him.

Salvation Tambourine · 05-03-2018 12:10PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Miguel Delaney having a job like he does is symptomatic of how this industry is disappearing down the toilet.

I do not know one person/football fan who enjoys his work. I can only speak for myself but whenever he shows up on a show/podcast I turn it off, I cannot for the life of me listen to him. Its excruciating. At least Glendenning has a hint of humour about him.

Rory Smith, one of my favourites, said something about quoting Miguel Delaney a lot. I find Delaney quite smug and he is certainly one that revels in thinking people are dying to hear his opinion.

He also like to throw in a, usually pointless, year of something happening. It's hard to write down really what I mean but he'll be talking about something and he'll throw in "The way Man United full backs linked up with their wingers in the 2004/5-2006/7 period was breathtaking". No one is going to check and no one really cares, it just makes him sound impressive without being so.

Blanco100 · 05-03-2018 12:23PM

Nokotan wrote: »

Rory Smith, one of my favourites, said something about quoting Miguel Delaney a lot. I find Delaney quite smug and he is certainly one that revels in thinking people are dying to hear his opinion.

He also like to throw in a, usually pointless, year of something happening. It's hard to write down really what I mean but he'll be talking about something and he'll throw in "The way Man United full backs linked up with their wingers in the 2004/5-2006/7 period was breathtaking". No one is going to check and no one really cares, it just makes him sound impressive without being so.

No you are spot on there, a friend of mine made this similar point. He was talking about Liverpool's midfield pivot at the back end of the 2006 season. Pure guff, and he knows it would take some effort (who would bother) to look into verifying this specifically.

I don't find Delaney smug, that would involve taking him seriously in a way. He is like a second rate football anorak.

threein99 · 05-03-2018 04:53PM

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Miguel Delaney is very bad for this. And Glendenning on the other one.

Can't stick him, gave up on Football Weekly because of him

Dots1982 · 05-03-2018 06:31PM

Think Miguel Delaney is an immature ass on twitter but as a journalist he has broken decent stories and clearly has a good contact list. Not too fond of him when he’s on second captains, he’s alright. John brewin is the same : alright.

Delaney also curated a good website called footballpatheon.com that was a decent site to scroll on or resolve pub arguments.

Mentioning someone as clueless as Barry glendennig in the same breath as Delaney is not really comparing anything close to like with like.

Arghus · 05-03-2018 07:13PM

Delaney is a bit tough to take at times, but like Dots said he's a genius compared to Glenndinning, who simply hasn't got a clue.

Islander13 · 05-03-2018 09:45PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Miguel Delaney having a job like he does is symptomatic of how this industry is disappearing down the toilet.

I do not know one person/football fan who enjoys his work. I can only speak for myself but whenever he shows up on a show/podcast I turn it off, I cannot for the life of me listen to him. Its excruciating. At least Glendenning has a hint of humour about him.

I like Miguel (not a relative!)

corwill · 05-03-2018 09:55PM

Arghus wrote: »

Delaney is a bit tough to take at times, but like Dots said he's a genius compared to Glenndinning, who simply hasn't got a clue.

Glendenning strikes me as a guy who didn't watch so much as a tennis ball being kicked off a garage wall between ages 11 and 23, but needed to earn a crust when it became apparent he wasn't going to feed himself as a rock journalist. Sunderland fan? My swiss he was, until the day he stabbed his biro on the table while developing his back story.

I'm fairly certain he despises football and everything about it.

dulux99 · 05-03-2018 10:06PM

corwill wrote: »

Glendenning strikes me as a guy who didn't watch so much as a tennis ball being kicked off a garage wall between ages 11 and 23, but needed to earn a crust when it became apparent he wasn't going to feed himself as a rock journalist. Sunderland fan? My swiss he was, until the day he stabbed his biro on the table while developing his back story.

I'm fairly certain he despises football and everything about it.

Jesus. That's a very elaborate back story youve created for him. Weirdly elaborate.

I like Glendenning, he doesn't take himself too seriously imo.

Baggly · 05-03-2018 10:09PM

dulux99 wrote: »

Jesus. That's a very elaborate back story youve created for him. Weirdly elaborate.

I like Glendenning, he doesn't take himself too seriously imo.

I mean, its good, but for a top notch made up backstory, you need to include a couple more character touch points like 'he was addicted to mint terrys chocolate orange' or 'he would count the birds that sat on a lopsided telecomms pole outside his childhood rural bungalow home'.

Just some notes for the future. I still enjoyed your description, Corwill.

corwill · 05-03-2018 11:39PM

Pter wrote: »

I mean, its good, but for a top notch made up backstory, you need to include a couple more character touch points like 'he was addicted to mint terrys chocolate orange' or 'he would count the birds that sat on a lopsided telecomms pole outside his childhood rural bungalow home'.

Just some notes for the future. I still enjoyed your description, Corwill.

To paraphrase Mr Glendenning himself, it's 'just a hunch'. It's how he tends to justify all sorts of over-wrought auld cobblers, and if it's good enough for him and the Grauniad, I think I'll hand-wave my way past any rationalisation or justification just this once on the same basis.

corwill · 05-03-2018 11:41PM

dulux99 wrote: »

I like Glendenning, he doesn't take himself too seriously imo.

I haven't noticed him descending below the line to the comments of a Guardian article in a while, but my impression of him when he did was that he takes himself very, very seriously.

Again, 'just a hunch'.

Arghus · 06-03-2018 12:42AM

corwill wrote: »

I haven't noticed him descending below the line to the comments of a Guardian article in a while, but my impression of him when he did was that he takes himself very, very seriously.

Again, 'just a hunch'.

His "Sure, I'm only a buffoon" schtick doesn't add up with his constant willingness to act the smart prat in the comment sections.

Raisins · 06-03-2018 01:13AM

I turned off football weekly because of glendening too. He also had this irritating way of speaking in a deliberate faux English accent, especially when he was doing his usual musings or finishing a sentence.

He a good writer though. His piece on Sol Campbell in the guardian last week gave me a laugh.

Dots1982 · 06-03-2018 09:07AM

Problem with glendenning is that he’s on FW every single show now.

Cienciano · 06-03-2018 11:19AM

I think Glendenning is the best thing about FW. He's got a weird wit about him that I like.
Everyone has contributors that they dislike, as soon as I see the names Kelly Cates or Barney Ronay I delete straight away. I dislike them to the point that they annoy me and they put me in a bad mood.

Salvation Tambourine · 06-03-2018 11:42AM

Cienciano wrote: »

I think Glendenning is the best thing about FW. He's got a weird wit about him that I like.
Everyone has contributors that they dislike, as soon as I see the names Kelly Cates or Barney Ronay I delete straight away. I dislike them to the point that they annoy me and they put me in a bad mood.

Jacob Steinberg is one that usually puts me off.

It's been a long, long time since Fernando Duarte was on Football Weekly. I remember him bringing particular ire from people.

dulux99 · 06-03-2018 01:45PM

Jacob Steinberg is typical of the type I referenced earlier in the thread - sounds depressed off his head talking about football.

You don't necessarily have to have the exuberance of US Murph to sound like you atleast enjoy the sport - take Sid Lowe for example. You can tell he loves football and loves his job covering it.

dominatinMC · 06-03-2018 01:57PM

dulux99 wrote: »

Jacob Steinberg is typical of the type I referenced earlier in the thread - sounds depressed off his head talking about football.

You don't necessarily have to have the exuberance of US Murph to sound like you atleast enjoy the sport - take Sid Lowe for example. You can tell he loves football and loves his job covering it.

Sid Lowe is an excellent contributor imo. No bull****, hysterics, or hyperbole, just a good old-fashioned journalist.

tomwaits48 · 06-03-2018 02:06PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Sid Lowe is an excellent contributor imo. No bull****, hysterics, or hyperbole, just a good old-fashioned journalist.

Tim Vickery is another good one, always enthusiastic

Blanco100 · 06-03-2018 02:25PM

The old world football phone in when it was Tim Vickery and Sid Lowe with Dotun was absolutely brilliant

wnolan1992 · 06-03-2018 03:02PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Sid Lowe is an excellent contributor imo. No bull****, hysterics, or hyperbole, just a good old-fashioned journalist.

IMO, Sid's been very poor on FW this season. Maybe it's just he doesn't like Rushden, I dunno. It feels very forced and "phoned in" (yes, yes, yes, I know, hahahah, etc).

I like Glendenning for what he is too. He's a comedy foil to stop the pod falling into a mire of pretentious in the weeds nonsense. He's irritating as hell at times (whenever he answers a question with "Well, it could go either way, they could win... or they could lose..." I want to scream) but FW would, IMO, quickly become unlistenable without him.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 06-03-2018 03:49PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I think Glendenning is the best thing about FW. He's got a weird wit about him that I like.
Everyone has contributors that they dislike, as soon as I see the names Kelly Cates or Barney Ronay I delete straight away. I dislike them to the point that they annoy me and they put me in a bad mood.

I never got the glendenning hate either. I think he's one of the only good things about FW now.

Loafing Oaf · 06-03-2018 05:05PM

corwill wrote: »

Glendenning strikes me as a guy who didn't watch so much as a tennis ball being kicked off a garage wall between ages 11 and 23, but needed to earn a crust when it became apparent he wasn't going to feed himself as a rock journalist. Sunderland fan? My swiss he was, until the day he stabbed his biro on the table while developing his back story.

I'm fairly certain he despises football and everything about it.

I'd love if they read this out on the podcast.

Is 'my swiss' a phrase? Never heard it before...

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