Fine Universities that are denying free speech.

Permabear wrote: »

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He's right. We should have no right to unabashed free speech, in the same way that only an demented fool would believe that we should have absolute freedom to do whatever we want. If you don't believe that pick up a history book, we tend to believe the species has a long memory but we keep making the same mistakes.

Havockk wrote: »

I'm drilling deeper here, this is way past a first amendment conversation by now. What you and I are talking about is 'Free Speech'. And in this matter you appear to have a conflicting viewpoint.

I have no idea how the Irish first amendment comes into play here? As the first amendment states "the state sweeping powers during a time of emergency" when Ireland is not part of the war itself.

Permabear wrote: »

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But you already said that certain types of speech should be banned!!!
How to commit crimes for example.

A belief in free speech implies people are free to say what they like. Other people are free to listen or not.
The only place for the state to intervene is when speech becomes an immediate threat to commit physical harm to a person. There is no right to not be offended.
There is a right to self defense. The state should only intervene against speech at the point where it would be appropriate for an individual to use violence in self defense.
If we have state institutions (like public universities etc) which are funded through enforced taxation on the whole of the population they must be impartial. So if they provide a platform for one viewpoint they must also provide a platform for every viewpoint. It is only appropriate for them to discriminate between speech that does threaten immediate physical harm to others and that which does not.
Any private individual or collection of individuals can promote or discourage any type of speech they want and however they choose if they are not publicly funded.

Havockk wrote: »

So basically private institutions can do as they please, or set rules to deny free speech whilst public ones must at all times permit ALL free speech?


Why can the same rules not apply to both?

The benefits of money. The kids in the public schools can deal with Nazi skinheads on their campuses private schools and spaces can ban them.

Havockk wrote: »

So basically private institutions can do as they please, or set rules to deny free speech whilst public ones must at all times permit ALL free speech?


Why can the same rules not apply to both?

Every private individual discriminates all the time against speech they object to whenever we choose what to listen to and what not to listen to. We all unilaterally "no-platform" speakers we disagree with all the time. It is hard to imagine it could be otherwise.
But if you and I are both forced to pay taxes to fund a university or other publicly funded institution that provides a forum for public speech and debate and it decides to allow only me to speak and not you then this is unjust and is a violation of first amendment rights in the US

johnp001 wrote: »

Every private individual discriminates all the time against speech they object to whenever we choose what to listen to and what not to listen to. We all unilaterally "no-platform" speakers we disagree with all the time. It is hard to imagine it could be otherwise.
But if you and I are both forced to pay taxes to fund a university or other publicly funded institution that provides a forum for public speech and debate and it decides to allow only me to speak and not you then this is unjust and is a violation of first amendment rights in the US

So anybody can rock up to a public university and demand facilities to hold a public speech with no quality control or standards. The university have to accommodate them?

Havockk wrote: »

Don't hide behind that public/private manure. You either believe in the freedom of speech or you don't.

You actions lead me to believe that you don't. but enjoy saying you do.

Mod: I understand that this is an emotive issue. However, please refrain from abrasive language such as the above.

^^^Antifa are violent scumbags.

Havockk wrote: »

A good win for Antifa, event cancelled.

Not really, all fascists like Antifa achieve is to bring more attention to the speakers they are trying to shut down and more doors open to these speakers, logic and truth will always win out.

Permabear wrote: »

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Slippery slope argument. Plenty of countries have incitement to hatred laws and aren't considered places where speech is overly restricted.
You in favour of jihadist making calls for attacks then? Same thing as what these Nazi's are doing.

The actual quote from the BBC story linked in the post above is

He was arrested for failing to comply with a dispersal order and on suspicion of religious or racial harassment.