2018 NFL Draft

eagle eye · 02-03-2018 06:11PM

What's not right? The idiots posting about racism?

letowski · 02-03-2018 07:12PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What's not right? The idiots posting about racism?

No not racism. His chances of making it as a WR are like minute. I understand this is an information process, and teams might want to see has he got like Terrelle Pryor skills, but the difference is Pryor was a UDFA while LJ will be a top 40 pick. And if you pick him there you are investing long term years into developing him as a starting QB. Having a couple of notes as him a potential WR contingency plan is pointless for me.

Foxtrol · 02-03-2018 07:19PM

Still undefeated since Jimmy G's first start, 49ers drafting 9th and Raiders 10th. Could be big as teams have some similar needs and also when it comes to trading back.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/969628979257749505

letowski · 02-03-2018 07:33PM

Saquon Barkley just ran 4.41 at 233lbs. Incredible athlete (not that we didn't know).

Fournette ran 4.51 at 240lbs and Elliott ran 4.47 at 225lbs for reference.

brinty · 02-03-2018 09:53PM

Orlando brown has lost out on millions
Terrible combine
Only managed 14 on the bench

Foxtrol · 02-03-2018 11:48PM

letowski wrote: »

Saquon Barkley just ran 4.41 at 233lbs. Incredible athlete (not that we didn't know).

Fournette ran 4.51 at 240lbs and Elliott ran 4.47 at 225lbs for reference.

Crazy numbers

https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/969663548484829184

Blut2 · 02-03-2018 11:55PM

brinty wrote: »

Orlando brown has lost out on millions
Terrible combine
Only managed 14 on the bench

14 reps of 225lbs on the bench at his bodyweight of 350lbs+ is shocking. His 5.86 in the 40-yard dash was also called a "historically bad time" by the commentators on the coverage.

Does he have a severe flu or something? Or just a bad attitude and isn't bothered?

Jolly Red Giant · 03-03-2018 02:02AM

Browns likely to take Barkley at 1.1 and then a QB at 1.4 - probably Allen.

Gally79 · 03-03-2018 03:03PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Browns likely to take Barkley at 1.1 and then a QB at 1.4 - probably Allen.

Saquon Barkley is a banker.

03-03-2018 05:36PM

Still don't see saquan going no1

Foxtrol · 03-03-2018 05:41PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Browns likely to take Barkley at 1.1 and then a QB at 1.4 - probably Allen.

Barkley is great but surely if they really have a preference for one of the QBs they have to take them at 1 rather than rolling the dice and ending up as bad as their 3rd choice by 4. They've pissed around for long enough on pulling the trigger with a QB.

raze_them_all_ · 03-03-2018 06:06PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Barkley is great but surely if they really have a preference for one of the QBs they have to take them at 1 rather than rolling the dice and ending up as bad as their 3rd choice by 4. They've pissed around for long enough on pulling the trigger with a QB.

you have to look at who else is going to be drafting, Giants are reportidly passing on a qb at 2, so they would still get mayfield easy which they shouldnt do but i reckon thats their qb

Foxtrol · 03-03-2018 06:19PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

you have to look at who else is going to be drafting, Giants are reportidly passing on a qb at 2, so they would still get mayfield easy which they shouldnt do but i reckon thats their qb

But you're gambling then. It's not only looking at who the Giants or Colts might take but who could try to move up into that space as well. We'll have a better idea after FA but there will likely be a number of teams that either badly need a QB right now or are in space where they need succession planning and could try to move to get one. If the Browns have a preference then they need to stop trying to be smarter than everyone else and take their guy.

Jolly Red Giant · 04-03-2018 08:38AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

But you're gambling then. It's not only looking at who the Giants or Colts might take but who could try to move up into that space as well. We'll have a better idea after FA but there will likely be a number of teams that either badly need a QB right now or are in space where they need succession planning and could try to move to get one. If the Browns have a preference then they need to stop trying to be smarter than everyone else and take their guy.

Barkley is blowing up the combine - his numbers are off the charts - and he was the clear best player before the draft. There is no way he will be available at 1.4 - either the Giants or Colts will pick him. Giving what is happening at both franchises it is possible that the Browns could select Barkley at 1.1 and still have the pick of the 4 QBs at 1.4

gstack166 · 04-03-2018 09:11AM

What’s the schedule today at the combine can only post? Thanks!

Foxtrol · 04-03-2018 08:08PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Barkley is blowing up the combine - his numbers are off the charts - and he was the clear best player before the draft. There is no way he will be available at 1.4 - either the Giants or Colts will pick him. Giving what is happening at both franchises it is possible that the Browns could select Barkley at 1.1 and still have the pick of the 4 QBs at 1.4

I think there is little to no chance that no QBs are gone by the 4th pick.

If the Giants really like a QB they could regret not taking him if he is still there at 2. Despite holes in their team they're unlikely to get near this high in the draft for the foreseeable future. In a year or two they'll either be paying a lot in FA, giving up a lot to move up in a future draft, or praying they strike gold.

Even ignoring that, any of the QB needy teams could trade up with the Giants or Colts. Both teams have numerous holes and could easily be tempted out of their spots.

We see all over the league what happens when teams try to get by with a QB they don't love. If the Browns think just 1 of the QBs could be their franchise guy for the next 10 -15 years then I think it would be stupid to take the risk again. If they like more than one then Barkley starts to make more sense

Jolly Red Giant · 04-03-2018 09:14PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I think there is little to no chance that no QBs are gone by the 4th pick.

Unless the Browns sign Cousins there will be at least one gone - because the Browns will take one

Foxtrol wrote: »

If the Giants really like a QB they could regret not taking him if he is still there at 2. Despite holes in their team they're unlikely to get near this high in the draft for the foreseeable future. In a year or two they'll either be paying a lot in FA, giving up a lot to move up in a future draft, or praying they strike gold.

Even ignoring that, any of the QB needy teams could trade up with the Giants or Colts. Both teams have numerous holes and could easily be tempted out of their spots.

We see all over the league what happens when teams try to get by with a QB they don't love. If the Browns think just 1 of the QBs could be their franchise guy for the next 10 -15 years then I think it would be stupid to take the risk again. If they like more than one then Barkley starts to make more sense

Word coming out of NY is that the Giants think Manning has another three years in him.

Teams could trade up - but the Giants could decide they need to protect Manning and decide they need to take Nelson who according to Mayock is probably the best athlete in the draft..

Similarly - Chubb is showing he is up there with Barkley - and fills an absolutely glaring need for the Colts.

This draft is one of the most unpredictable in years -

The Browns could sign Cousins, take Barkley, trade 1.4 or take Fitzpatrick - or they could take Barkley at 1.1 and a QB at 1.4

The Giants could take a QB or take Nelson or Barkley if the Browns don't take him at 1.1 or Chubb - or they could try and trade down.

The Colts could be hiding problems with Luck and take a QB, they could take Barkley if he gets to 1.3 or Chubb or they could try and trade down.

If the Broncos get Cousins they will almost be guaranteed to try and trade down - they might swap with the Jets and then trade down again with Arizona or the Bills if there is still a QB on the board at 1.6 and end up with six or seven picks in the top 100. If they don't get Cousins then they have to take a QB - and Elway may even fell it necessary to try and trade up.

The Jets could get Cousins and trade down - if they don't they will try and trade up.

And the problem with all this is that there are four QBs and three elite talents (Barkley, Chubb and Nelson) at the top of the board and trading down even one or two spots could cost them a QB or an elite talent. Nelson is the most likely to drop a couple of spots because he is an OG - but he is going to be an elite OG for ten or more years and that is something that teams at the top of the draft will have to consider. Anyone with a top seven pick who doesn't take a QB and doesn't trade down is going to get an elite player because the four QBs are going to go off the board quickly (and that isn't even considering what people think of Fitzpatrick).

Foxtrol · 04-03-2018 09:30PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Unless the Browns sign Cousins there will be at least one gone - because the Browns will take one

Word coming out of NY is that the Giants think Manning has another three years in him.

Teams could trade up - but the Giants could decide they need to protect Manning and decide they need to take Nelson who according to Mayock is probably the best athlete in the draft..

Similarly - Chubb is showing he is up there with Barkley - and fills an absolutely glaring need for the Colts.

This draft is one of the most unpredictable in years -

The Browns could sign Cousins, take Barkley, trade 1.4 or take Fitzpatrick - or they could take Barkley at 1.1 and a QB at 1.4

The Giants could take a QB or take Nelson or Barkley if the Browns don't take him at 1.1 or Chubb - or they could try and trade down.

The Colts could be hiding problems with Luck and take a QB, they could take Barkley if he gets to 1.3 or Chubb or they could try and trade down.

If the Broncos get Cousins they will almost be guaranteed to try and trade down - they might swap with the Jets and then trade down again with Arizona or the Bills if there is still a QB on the board at 1.6 and end up with six or seven picks in the top 100. If they don't get Cousins then they have to take a QB - and Elway may even fell it necessary to try and trade up.

The Jets could get Cousins and trade down - if they don't they will try and trade up.

And the problem with all this is that there are four QBs and three elite talents (Barkley, Chubb and Nelson) at the top of the board and trading down even one or two spots could cost them a QB or an elite talent. Nelson is the most likely to drop a couple of spots because he is an OG - but he is going to be an elite OG for ten or more years and that is something that teams at the top of the draft will have to consider. Anyone with a top seven pick who doesn't take a QB and doesn't trade down is going to get an elite player because the four QBs are going to go off the board quickly (and that isn't even considering what people think of Fitzpatrick).

Agree with nearly all that and it is why I've been making the point that due to the unpredictability the Browns can't be confident at which QB will be there by their 4th pick. They've spent long enough overthinking the position and look where it has gotten them to.

Jolly Red Giant · 05-03-2018 12:04AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Agree with nearly all that and it is why I've been making the point that due to the unpredictability the Browns can't be confident at which QB will be there by their 4th pick. They've spent long enough overthinking the position and look where it has gotten them to.

And if they don't take Barkley with 1.1 then the Giants or the Colts will take him before 1.4

05-03-2018 12:36AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

And if they don't take Barkley with 1.1 then the Giants or the Colts will take him before 1.4

Will they? Or will they take a qb/trade back for extra firsts

Foxtrol · 05-03-2018 02:44AM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

And if they don't take Barkley with 1.1 then the Giants or the Colts will take him before 1.4

I don't know how you can justify an RB over who you think your franchise QB will be. It is much more likely to get a top end RB later in the draft than a QB and they have much shorter useful careers. The Steelers have arguably the best RB in the league and won't pay him, do you think they'd do similar if they had the best QB in the league? I'm a big fan of Barkley (I lived beside a Penn State bar the last two years so saw a good amount of him) but people are being dazzled by the draft and losing all perspective of the value of positions.

The Browns spent the last few years thinking they were smarter than everyone else when it came to QBs in the draft and look where they are. Pick the QB you want at 1 and then if Barkley isn't there at 4 you have at least one of Nelson, Chubb and Fitzpatrick that would be a huge upgrade for them or trade for more picks. By the first pick of the 2nd round there will still be a number of the top RBs available.

Jolly Red Giant · 05-03-2018 08:28AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't know how you can justify an RB over who you think your franchise QB will be. It is much more likely to get a top end RB later in the draft than a QB and they have much shorter useful careers. The Steelers have arguably the best RB in the league and won't pay him, do you think they'd do similar if they had the best QB in the league? I'm a big fan of Barkley (I lived beside a Penn State bar the last two years so saw a good amount of him) but people are being dazzled by the draft and losing all perspective of the value of positions.

The Browns spent the last few years thinking they were smarter than everyone else when it came to QBs in the draft and look where they are. Pick the QB you want at 1 and then if Barkley isn't there at 4 you have at least one of Nelson, Chubb and Fitzpatrick that would be a huge upgrade for them or trade for more picks. By the first pick of the 2nd round there will still be a number of the top RBs available.

And am I disputing any of this - what I argued was that if the Browns want Barkley they will have to take him at 1.1 because if they don't I can't see him making it past the Giants and Colts to 1.4.

Now the Browns could well take a QB at 1.1 and then look for a RB later. And they could trade back from 1.4 although I suspect they won't want to go back too far - they already have a sh*t load of picks. They could well trade back looking for picks in next year's draft - but they will also want some game changers from this year. The most likely move is to flip with the Broncos or back to the Jets - and then take someone like Fitzpatrick.

tripperman · 05-03-2018 09:40AM

I've started the sign up thread for the mock draft if anyone is interested

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057848017/1/#post106345575

mikemac2 · 05-03-2018 09:59AM

Yeah reports these days are a smokescreen but multiple reports have the Ravens trying to trade from 16 out of the first round

They’ve done it a lot over the years. Need a partner of course

One example was Josh Mcdaniels gave a 2nd,3rd & 4th for the Ravens 1st to take Tebow. Happened other years too

I’d like to see this actually and if they can collect up some more second rounders

gstack166 · 05-03-2018 11:40AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't know how you can justify an RB over who you think your franchise QB will be. It is much more likely to get a top end RB later in the draft than a QB and they have much shorter useful careers. The Steelers have arguably the best RB in the league and won't pay him, do you think they'd do similar if they had the best QB in the league? I'm a big fan of Barkley (I lived beside a Penn State bar the last two years so saw a good amount of him) but people are being dazzled by the draft and losing all perspective of the value of positions.

The Browns spent the last few years thinking they were smarter than everyone else when it came to QBs in the draft and look where they are. Pick the QB you want at 1 and then if Barkley isn't there at 4 you have at least one of Nelson, Chubb and Fitzpatrick that would be a huge upgrade for them or trade for more picks. By the first pick of the 2nd round there will still be a number of the top RBs available.

There’s 4 QBs in the first round mix and only one solid RB competing for a top 5 spot. Take Barkley first overall and pick your QB at 4, it’s so simple, but it is the Browns we are talking about.

cosatron · 05-03-2018 12:12PM

gstack166 wrote: »

There’s 4 QBs in the first round mix and only one solid RB competing for a top 5 spot. Take Barkley first overall and pick your QB at 4, it’s so simple, but it is the Browns we are talking about.

The browns have hired Scot McCloughan as draft consultant and his scouting in the later rounds is second to none and his high on Baker Mayfield, so what could happen is take Barkley at 1 and chubb at 4 and take Mayfield in the second round, or trade 4 for a few picks as i don't think Mayfield will go in the first 15 picks.

gstack166 · 05-03-2018 12:22PM

cosatron wrote: »

The browns have hired Scot McCloughan as draft consultant and his scouting in the later rounds is second to none and his high on Baker Mayfield, so what could happen is take Barkley at 1 and chubb at 4 and take Mayfield in the second round, or trade 4 for a few picks as i don't think Mayfield will go in the first 15 picks.

That is interesting!

I’m reading that Miami are hot on Mayfield though, from the pieces I’ve read about the draft I’d be surprised in Mayfield lasts beyond them.

letowski · 05-03-2018 01:03PM

Cant see Mayfield lasting until the second, there are too many QB needy teams and teams that will need a QB in about 3 years. Unless he does something stupid or a story breaks out about him. That said the Browns have alot of draft capital and could easily trade back into the first.

Billy86 · 05-03-2018 01:31PM

gstack166 wrote: »

There’s 4 QBs in the first round mix and only one solid RB competing for a top 5 spot. Take Barkley first overall and pick your QB at 4, it’s so simple, but it is the Browns we are talking about.

They might as well draft a QB at #1, and a QB at #4. That way both might still have trade value next year when Cleveland again go with a first round QB having mentally given up on the #1 and #4 picks from this year before week 10.

The Factory of Sadness absolutely excels at this kind of efficiency.

Jolly Red Giant · 05-03-2018 01:36PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

One example was Josh Mcdaniels gave a 2nd,3rd & 4th for the Ravens 1st to take Tebow. Happened other years too

Weren't the Colts lucky - I can see anyone doing anything as daft as that again.

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