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Dave_The_Sheep · 23-02-2018 06:44PM

The deputy school resource officer is now being hung out to dry, being called a coward it seems by the President and his Sheriff.

Instead of the obvious response which is ... "maybe more guns in schools isn't actually a good idea".

Buer · 23-02-2018 07:03PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The deputy school resource officer is now being hung out to dry, being called a coward it seems by the President and his Sheriff.
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Whilst I would never call him a coward as I have no idea how I would react, the guy absolutely failed to do what he was employed to do. He has resigned but there had to be an investigation into his inaction.

He definitely let down himself and those he was supposed to protect. Trump calling him a coward is a disgrace though. I would imagine he is enduring all sorts of horrendous threats and abuse at the moment not to mention his family. Trump is essentially vindicating those threats.

stephen_n · 23-02-2018 07:58PM

Buer wrote: »

Whilst I would never call him a coward as I have no idea how I would react, the guy absolutely failed to do what he was employed to do. He has resigned but there had to be an investigation into his inaction.

He definitely let down himself and those he was supposed to protect. Trump calling him a coward is a disgrace though. I would imagine he is enduring all sorts of horrendous threats and abuse at the moment not to mention his family. Trump is essentially vindicating those threats.

Well cowardice is actually one of the only subjects he can speak from a position of authority on.

CatFromHue · 23-02-2018 08:27PM

deputy school resource officer

is such a strange title, I wonder what his actual job, training, and remit were.

Buer · 23-02-2018 09:20PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

deputy school resource officer

is such a strange title, I wonder what his actual job, training, and remit were.

He's a member of the sheriff's department and had been since 1985. He was in that role since 2009. I would assume it's something similar to a JLO here. He was on a very tidy salary in the job.

I feel pity for him and what he's going through now. It's hard to know how anyone would ever react in such a scenario.

23-02-2018 09:27PM

Buer wrote: »

Whilst I would never call him a coward as I have no idea how I would react, the guy absolutely failed to do what he was employed to do. He has resigned but there had to be an investigation into his inaction.

He definitely let down himself and those he was supposed to protect. Trump calling him a coward is a disgrace though. I would imagine he is enduring all sorts of horrendous threats and abuse at the moment not to mention his family. Trump is essentially vindicating those threats.

I wouldn't call him a coward. He's not a soldier and we don't know what he is meant to do in that situation. Go in? Wait for backup? Even if he is meant to go in after the shooter, I don't know if I'd go running in against one or multiple heavily armed gun men. I think it's pathetic that he is being singled out, responsible adults would try and shield him from culpability but instead the grown ups have gone out of their way to ruin his life so they can deflect responsibility.

I've no idea. Maybe he is a coward but there have been loads of mass shootings where others nearby were armed and also failed to do anything.

Trump calling him anything is ****ing pathetic though. I've reached a point where I'm no longer capable of articulating just how awful a person he is.

Zzippy · 23-02-2018 09:31PM

But...but... I thought the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun!? :rolleyes:

mfceiling · 23-02-2018 09:33PM

Not too sure about anyone here but I'd happily be an alive coward sooner than a dead hero.

Buer · 23-02-2018 09:35PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Not too sure about anyone here but I'd happily be an alive coward sooner than a dead hero.

Hmm, how about an alive coward or an Ulster fan?

Ah. Wait...

prawnsambo · 23-02-2018 09:41PM

I wouldn't like to be going up against someone with an AR-15 armed with a handgun. The odds are definitely not in your favour. But regardless of the context, it makes a nonsense of the call to arm teachers.

stephen_n · 23-02-2018 11:18PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I wouldn't like to be going up against someone with an AR-15 armed with a handgun. The odds are definitely not in your favour. But regardless of the context, it makes a nonsense of the call to arm teachers.

Yes the teachers clearly need bigger guns.

Podge_irl · 23-02-2018 11:23PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I wouldn't like to be going up against someone with an AR-15 armed with a handgun. The odds are definitely not in your favour. But regardless of the context, it makes a nonsense of the call to arm teachers.

It’s a ****in pea shooter in comparison. Within 15-20m I guess it might be a fairish fight but yeah...if I was on my own I’d probably **** myself too.

Buer · 23-02-2018 11:36PM

I know I'm clearly being critical of the officer at this point which goes against the grain but (to play devil's advocate) it's highly unlikely he had a clue what weapon the shooter had. At best he could audibly hear the bursts which would possibly suggest it was a single shooter with a semi automatic gun.

If I was walking through Dublin and a couple of scumbags kicked the snot out of me I would expect a Garda to engage them regardless of the threat to his own safety. Because that's what he's employed to do.

He happened upon a scene and froze. It happens and he's going through hell for it. But he was employed specifically for such a purpose and paid quite handsomely for it. If Trump had said nothing whatsoever and it flew under the radar, I'd expect him to be demoted at best.

The public denouncement from from Trump is shameful and completely outside his remit but that should not void the fact that the officer failed to do his job.

mfceiling · 23-02-2018 11:38PM

They should have every school sitting on a ton of semtex and every teacher should have access to a separate detonator.
Crazy kid goes crazy....press that red button and blow that mofo to smithereens. The school, kids, teachers and everything in a 4 mile radius can simply be waved away as "collateral damage".

Problem solved.

prawnsambo · 23-02-2018 11:44PM

Buer wrote: »

I know I'm clearly being critical of the officer at this point which goes against the grain but (to play devil's advocate) it's highly unlikely he had a clue what weapon the shooter had. At best he could audibly hear the bursts which would possibly suggest it was a single shooter with a semi automatic gun.

If I was walking through Dublin and a couple of scumbags kicked the snot out of me I would expect a Garda to engage them regardless of the threat to his own safety. Because that's what he's employed to do.

He happened upon a scene and froze. It happens and he's going through hell for it. But he was employed specifically for such a purpose and paid quite handsomely for it. If Trump had said nothing whatsoever and it flew under the radar, I'd expect him to be demoted at best.

The public denouncement from from Trump is shameful and completely outside his remit but that should not void the fact that the officer failed to do his job.

If you've had any kind of training at all, you'd know the difference beween the sound of a handgun and a rifle. They're quite distinctive. Especially when the rifle is firing super-sonic rounds.

Buer · 23-02-2018 11:58PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

I know I'm clearly being critical of the officer at this point which goes against the grain but (to play devil's advocate) it's highly unlikely he had a clue what weapon the shooter had. At best he could audibly hear the bursts which would possibly suggest it was a single shooter with a semi automatic gun.

If I was walking through Dublin and a couple of scumbags kicked the snot out of me I would expect a Garda to engage them regardless of the threat to his own safety. Because that's what he's employed to do.

He happened upon a scene and froze. It happens and he's going through hell for it. But he was employed specifically for such a purpose and paid quite handsomely for it. If Trump had said nothing whatsoever and it flew under the radar, I'd expect him to be demoted at best.

The public denouncement from from Trump is shameful and completely outside his remit but that should not void the fact that the officer failed to do his job.

If you've had any kind of training at all, you'd know the difference beween the sound of a handgun and a rifle. They're quite distinctive. Especially when the rifle is firing super-sonic rounds.

Grand. So, as I said, he would potentially have known what sort of weapon was being used with a single shooter likely.

That doesn't change my point at all though. He was a vastly experienced officer employed and trained in a specific role which he failed to fulfil. His inaction was a critical factor. I have nothing but sympathy for him but he is not exempt from criticism.

If this happened in Dublin and a member of the ARU ducked and covered for the duration of a public attack, he would be hammered. The difference being we would never shame the officer publicly.

CatFromHue · 24-02-2018 12:15AM

I don't really know but was he that experienced or trained.

I can only imagine that someone who's from the sheriff dept who guards a school to be like Dooey from Scream, i.e. not that competent.

The AR15 is a fantasticly easy weapon to be very good at. I was on the sauce the night before I went shooting with it and i was hitting targets 30-50m away very easily, and the kickback off it is very little really.

Jack Kanoff · 24-02-2018 12:33AM

Buer wrote: »

Grand. So, as I said, he would potentially have known what sort of weapon was being used with a single shooter likely.

That doesn't change my point at all though. He was a vastly experienced officer employed and trained in a specific role which he failed to fulfil. His inaction was a critical factor. I have nothing but sympathy for him but he is not exempt from criticism.

If this happened in Dublin and a member of the ARU ducked and covered for the duration of a public attack, he would be hammered. The difference being we would never shame the officer publicly.

Exempt from criticism.... probably not.... thrown under a bus and being blamed for these kids death... dangerous deflectionist horseshïte

Dave_The_Sheep · 24-02-2018 02:04AM

Buer wrote: »

Whilst I would never call him a coward as I have no idea how I would react, the guy absolutely failed to do what he was employed to do. He has resigned but there had to be an investigation into his inaction.

He definitely let down himself and those he was supposed to protect. Trump calling him a coward is a disgrace though. I would imagine he is enduring all sorts of horrendous threats and abuse at the moment not to mention his family. Trump is essentially vindicating those threats.

That's not unfair. I get where you're coming from. He gets paid to do a job (admittedly we have little detail of what that actually entails, but still) and it seems from outside that he failed to do that. From what I've read of the person in question, he's going to have this over his head for the rest of his life, he knows this and he's not the type of person who doesn't care at all - like some other notable others - I may be wrong here, I don't know the guy. - he seems to realise he ****ed up and has to own that.

Unlike pretty much everyone else in this situation. Trump, the NRA, the GOP, gun promoters and manufacturers... all absolve themselves of blame. That the President of the United States can come out and call this person a coward, particularly after their own actions as regards bone spurs, that those who promote gun use, and sale, and make profits from it can focus on this one person. That the GOP who have steadfastly and rabidly been anti-gun control for years can decide that this person isn't good enough to guard a school they have a hand in needing to be guarded ... all those are a disgrace. Any civilised country should be beyond this.

I realise you get most of this and (probably) don't disagree.

Focusing even in the slightest on this deputy's inaction or action as a cover for the actual problem (which they all benefit from) is beyond the pale, and I mean that in it's original sense. I wouldn't piss on these people were they on fire.

Podge_irl · 24-02-2018 11:49AM

Buer wrote: »

If this happened in Dublin and a member of the ARU ducked and covered for the duration of a public attack, he would be hammered. The difference being we would never shame the officer publicly.

Except they would never find themselves alone, armed with just a pistol facing an asssailant with a rifle. Pistols are not accurate and don’t have anywhere close to the same stopping power. The chances of him even being able to do something are small.

Unfortunately it’s being latched into as fin his inaction is what went wrong and it the whole ****ing scenario.

molloyjh · 24-02-2018 03:07PM

Like I said. America is lost. Circling the drain with far too much momentum to pull it back at this stage.

CatFromHue · 24-02-2018 05:15PM

I dunno if America is lost, they just really really really really like their guns. Like really!

Considering the banks have gotten all of the blame for our bail out, how people were so against Water Charges, Michael Lowry topping the polls everytime in tipp, and how much we love the drink we're not really in any position to look down on them. That's all without mentioning anything about Sinn Fein or republicanism.

stephen_n · 24-02-2018 05:35PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I dunno if America is lost, they just really really really really like their guns. Like really!

Considering the banks have gotten all of the blame for our bail out, how people were so against Water Charges, Michael Lowry topping the polls everytime in tipp, and how much we love the drink we're not really in any position to look down on them. That's all without mentioning anything about Sinn Fein or republicanism.

You forgot the Healy Rae’s but in fairness all those things together don’t come close to Trump.

Jack Kanoff · 25-02-2018 06:08PM

A 14yo boy passed away last night after a clash of heads in a schools gaa match in Kerry last week.
Just a horrific accident and a loss of a young life

OldRio · 25-02-2018 08:35PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I dunno if America is lost, they just really really really really like their guns. Like really!

Considering the banks have gotten all of the blame for our bail out, how people were so against Water Charges, Michael Lowry topping the polls everytime in tipp, and how much we love the drink we're not really in any position to look down on them. That's all without mentioning anything about Sinn Fein or republicanism.

Really. I mean really? Nah.

CatFromHue · 25-02-2018 08:54PM

I mean totes really

OldRio · 25-02-2018 09:32PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I mean totes really

Sorry but I genuinely have no idea what 'totes' means.

Synode · 25-02-2018 09:33PM

Totes awky momo

25-02-2018 09:56PM

Synode wrote: »

Totes awky momo

Shíte. When this was a thing a year or two ago I can remember saying it a few times and this post has just made me realise I was saying it wrong.

I've reached a stage in my life where I can fully understand if my own kids find me out of touch. This post has aged me.

F**k you Synode.

Synode · 25-02-2018 10:10PM

My 8 year olds favourite word these days is wrecked. Keeps telling me how he's going to wreck me at Fifa. It will be a sad day when that happens :pac:

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