Aircraft Fuel Supply Line For Dublin Airport

FunkyDa2 · 16-02-2018 11:30PM #1

I came across this article, which suggests that many landowners along the planned route(all under public roads) may have land title out to the middle of the road, and would be in the way of causing disruption to the scheme. Could this be true?

http://travelbiz.ie/DAILYNEWS/JETFUEL11FEB18.pdf

D Trent · 17-02-2018 12:48AM

FunkyDa2 wrote: »

I came across this article, which suggests that many landowners along the planned route(all under public roads) may have land title out to the middle of the road, and would be in the way of causing disruption to the scheme. Could this be true?

http://travelbiz.ie/DAILYNEWS/JETFUEL11FEB18.pdf

I was 99% sure this had already been built ????

L1011 · 17-02-2018 02:48AM

It hasn't been built yet

Very old roads have landowners with title to the middle. Newer ones don't.

IsaacWunder · 18-02-2018 01:19PM

L1011 wrote: »

It hasn't been built yet

Very old roads have landowners with title to the middle. Newer ones don't.

Couldn't the state just cpo the roadway? Bizarre that this is even an issue.

plodder · 18-02-2018 06:16PM

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Couldn't the state just cpo the roadway? Bizarre that this is even an issue.

The state could build it without CPO'ing anything but it's a private company building it, and they aren't allowed to just take people's property, by CPO or otherwise. Maybe, it should be built/owned by the state.....

Sam Russell · 18-02-2018 08:20PM

L1011 wrote: »

It hasn't been built yet

Very old roads have landowners with title to the middle. Newer ones don't.

But is the pipe not under the road?

I thought the state owned the below ground area. How did they fill in all the basements for the Luas?

Carawaystick · 19-02-2018 11:47PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

But is the pipe not under the road?

I thought the state owned the below ground area. How did they fill in all the basements for the Luas?

They compulsorily acquired the coal bunkers on Harcourt st after they discovered they existed

Sam Russell · 20-02-2018 09:56AM

Carawaystick wrote: »

They compulsorily acquired the coal bunkers on Harcourt st after they discovered they existed

How do the ESB Networks, Bord Gais Networks, and DCC work on the roads? Surely they dig it up, install their bits and fill in again. Why is there a problem?

If the 'owner' of the bit of road claims ownership, they should bill them for maintaining the road.

plodder · 20-02-2018 10:09AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

How do the ESB Networks, Bord Gais Networks, and DCC work on the roads? Surely they dig it up, install their bits and fill in again. Why is there a problem?

If the 'owner' of the bit of road claims ownership, they should bill them for maintaining the road.

They all have statutory authority to dig up the roads. Private companies don't.

Bord Gais has specific powers to build and maintain pipelines, but the promoters of this scheme don't. They are just a logistics company as far as I know.

CatInABox · 20-02-2018 04:41PM

plodder wrote: »

They all have statutory authority to dig up the roads. Private companies don't.

Bord Gais has specific powers to build and maintain pipelines, but the promoters of this scheme don't. They are just a logistics company as far as I know.

So could the private company just subcontract the work out to Bord Gais then?

plodder · 22-02-2018 09:59AM

CatInABox wrote: »

So could the private company just subcontract the work out to Bord Gais then?

I doubt it. I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't get around the issues to do with private property rights being infringed. The government would have to fix it with legislation, but it's not an area that any government will rush into changing, I'd guess.

Middle Man · 22-02-2018 10:16AM

plodder wrote: »

I doubt it. I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't get around the issues to do with private property rights being infringed. The government would have to fix it with legislation, but it's not an area that any government will rush into changing, I'd guess.

Property rights in this country need to be cut back - it's IMO the main thing that's holding up progress here!

22-02-2018 12:05PM

Middle Man wrote: »

Property rights in this country need to be cut back - it's IMO the main thing that's holding up progress here!

Absolutely, a chainsaw where a scalpel is needed!

/sarcasm

IE 222 · 22-02-2018 02:21PM

Would it not be cheaper and safer to run the pipeline under the sea and turn at Irelands Eye to follow the flight path into Dublin airport.

The pipe will be longer but it saves on digging up streets and will reduce building costs and time.

Idbatterim · 22-02-2018 04:32PM

IE 222 wrote: »

Would it not be cheaper and safer to run the pipeline under the sea and turn at Irelands Eye to follow the flight path into Dublin airport.

The pipe will be longer but it saves on digging up streets and will reduce building costs and time.

with this issue that has arisen, they may go for that option...

ted1 · 23-02-2018 05:37PM

Why not just run it through the port tunnel ?

Sam Russell · 23-02-2018 06:10PM

ted1 wrote: »

Why not just run it through the port tunnel ?

Fire risk? Safety risk? Burst pipe risk?

ted1 · 23-02-2018 11:18PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

Why not just run it through the port tunnel ?

Fire risk? Safety risk? Burst pipe risk?

I’m sure you could engineer out the risks. Double skin pipe etc

Idbatterim · 24-02-2018 02:26PM

ted1 wrote: »

I’m sure you could engineer out the risks. Double skin pipe etc

Couldn’t it be run, in the pedestrian escIe tunnels? Not like anything is going to crash into that!

ted1 · 25-02-2018 12:49AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

ted1 wrote: »

I’m sure you could engineer out the risks. Double skin pipe etc

Couldn’t it be run, in the pedestrian escIe tunnels? Not like anything is going to crash into that!

I’m sure it could.( but s sudpended pipe in the ceiling highest point would suffice ) There’s a gas pipeline from Russia to Ireland that passes through many urban areas. As an engineer I’m sure what ever dangers that may occur could be engineered out.

E.g. Auto closing valves every 50 m in the tunnel. Would limit any spill should a leak occur

Atlantic Dawn · 25-02-2018 12:56AM

The talk of moving the docks to north county Dublin might make the whole project redundant.

ted1 · 25-02-2018 01:18AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The talk of moving the docks to north county Dublin might make the whole project redundant.

planes will probably be electric powered by the time that happens !!

L1011 · 25-02-2018 11:48AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Couldn’t it be run, in the pedestrian escIe tunnels? Not like anything is going to crash into that!

There aren't any. Two tunnels with crossovers and isolation doors only.

Sam Russell · 25-02-2018 12:11PM

ted1 wrote: »

I’m sure it could.( but s sudpended pipe in the ceiling highest point would suffice ) There’s a gas pipeline from Russia to Ireland that passes through many urban areas. As an engineer I’m sure what ever dangers that may occur could be engineered out.

E.g. Auto closing valves every 50 m in the tunnel. Would limit any spill should a leak occur

And if it leaked onto passing trucks, or pooled on the floor? I do not think so.

It needs to be given statutory backing to overcome 'property rights' over the roads.

IE 222 · 25-02-2018 12:12PM

I really don't think anyone is going to install a fuel pipe in the port tunnel. It would be a massive disaster if it ever exploded regardless of what safety messaures were taken. We here of so many fail safe instruments failing in major disasters.

Dr_Bill · 26-02-2018 09:43AM

Tunnel fires are about as bad as it gets - Mont Blanc fire below:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/mar/27/6

The tunnel lining was absolutely wrecked -> https://www.tunneltalk.com/images/Mont-Blanc/The-aftermath-of-the-1999-fire.jpg

A pipe with aviation fuel which is highly combustible? Not on your nelly!

Aircraft Fuel Supply Line For Dublin Airport

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