Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

david75 · 22-02-2018 12:02AM

Delirium wrote: »

You're confusing Mormons with Jehovah's Witnesses.

I’m actually not.
Above depicts catholics flying away with other people’s money and rights

Bob_Marley · 22-02-2018 12:03AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

Personally, I use the phrase unborn, because it's what's in the 8th that you think we should keep. That way anti-repealers can't use faux outrage to distract from the discussion.

I just thought it was interesting that even though you cited Getty Images, you specifically didn't use the term they used. Most likely because it didn't suit your agenda.

As Leo says they all mean the same thing . . take it up with him

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-02-2018 12:04AM

J C wrote: »

Here is an actual miscarried 12 week old unborn child:-

Warning graphic image of a dead unborn child

https://www.humpath.com/IMG/jpg_fetus_12w_formalin_12_2.jpg

... and it is anatomically identical to this image:-

Looks nothing like the cartoons that you post

NuMarvel · 22-02-2018 12:06AM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

As Leo says they all mean the same thing . . take it up with him

And yet you couldn't bring yourself to use the phrase fetus when citing a source that used precisely that term.

Bob_Marley · 22-02-2018 12:07AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

And yet you couldn't bring yourself to use the phrase fetus when citing a source that used precisely that term.

You might need to read Leo's article again . . .

J C · 22-02-2018 12:17AM

wrote:

Originally Posted by J C
What is best for me isn't always best for others ... and when it isn't ... there ends my right to choose what is best for me

uptherebels
funny how you don't hold your side to the same standard

I do indeed.
This happens when a Christian doctor provides the best possible medical care for both an unborn child and her mother.

Bob_Marley · 22-02-2018 12:17AM

david75 wrote: »

Because they have the broadest range of ages and incomes.

If I go to rural Leitrim I’m only going to encounter 50+ kid income level farmer not well educated and not well travelled or experienced.

If I go to cork or Galway I’m going to find a range of lifestyles and educations and incomes and can then compile an accurate poll

You clearly don’t have the vaguest notion on how polling works sweetie. Don’t go there until you’ve read up on it even a little bit.

I have, but clearly you haven't - the assembly was supposed to provide regional spread. Looks like the red C recruiter didn't have any pals or relatives in the following counties :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/an-unintended-bias-in-the-citizens-assembly-1.2908884

NuMarvel · 22-02-2018 12:18AM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

You might need to read Leo's article again . . .

I was asking about what you said, not Leo, but if you're such a Leo fan, I'll guess you'll be voting repeal too. Because that's also what Leo wants.

Bob_Marley · 22-02-2018 12:21AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

I was asking about what you said, not Leo, but if you're such a Leo fan, I'll guess you'll be voting repeal too. Because that's also what Leo wants.

But if you ignore what the the pro abortion leader says , why should I not ?

uptherebels · 22-02-2018 12:22AM

J C wrote: »

I do indeed.
This happens when a Christian doctor provides the best possible medical care for both an unborn child and her mother.

until their conscience gets in the way you mean.;)
then your happy to let them chose what is best for themselves at the expense of others

end of the road · 22-02-2018 12:23AM

david75 wrote: »

I’ll ask again. Cos I know you’re totally unable to answer

Acting on conscience in any matter is utterly stupid and reductive.

If I had a shop and refused to sell to catholics or muslims because I have a sincerely held belief that they were both intrinsically evil and disordered, I’d be well within my rights in terms of belief but I’d be keel hauled in the media and the courts.
Then we go to medicine.
Sincerely held beliefs have no place whatsoever in medicine.

Many families in the Mormon faith have allowed their own children die because organ transplant and blood donation is strictly against their sincerely held beliefs.

So where are you on that? you really want to bring sincerely held beliefs and faith into this with regards doctors?

if a doctor does not wish to cary out an abortion they have a right not to.

david75 wrote: »

Grasping at straws. Red c only use population centres that have a broad range of age and economic backgrounds. Its called demographics.

Look it up.

Jesus you guys are totally clueless aren’t you? Getting desperate obviously too.

nope wrong, not grasping at straws at all. something as important as this assembly has a duty to represent all counties within the state. the only one getting desperate is you with the abuse of other posters, calling them clueless among other names throughout the thread.

david75 wrote: »

Because they have the broadest range of ages and incomes.

If I go to rural Leitrim I’m only going to encounter 50+ kid income level farmer not well educated and not well travelled or experienced.

If I go to cork or Galway I’m going to find a range of lifestyles and educations and incomes and can then compile an accurate poll

You clearly don’t have the vaguest notion on how polling works sweetie. Don’t go there until you’ve read up on it even a little bit.

you have no evidence that the poster doesn't have the vaguest notion on how polling works sweetie. one will go where they like and won't be dictated to by you.

david75 wrote: »

I’m actually not.
Above depicts catholics flying away with other people’s money and rights

you actually are confusing Mormons with Jehovah's Witnesses.

J C · 22-02-2018 12:23AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Looks nothing like the cartoons that you post

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The two images are anatomically identical ... something you would expect, from an image produced by medical professionals at a US Government Agency.

What is interesting is that you quibble over whether we are looking at an anatomically correct image or an actual photo ... when they are identical for all intents and purposes.

The objective Humanity of both images is the key thing ... and you obviously cannot deny this ... so you quibble over inessential details instead.

david75 · 22-02-2018 12:24AM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I have, but clearly you haven't - the assembly was supposed to provide regional spread. Looks like the red C recruiter didn't have any pals or relatives in the following counties :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/an-unintended-bias-in-the-citizens-assembly-1.2908884

Red c don’t have pals. Nor are they biased as you suggest. You yourself can employ them tomorrow to ask any question on any topic in any part of the country
Your ysterical conspiracy theorising speaks volumes.

Show me now a map of the country and each church on it where the few that do attend are subject to a sermon and lecture from the pulpit that they have to listen to whether they like it or not.

Then tell me about conspiracy and lame attempts at mind and conscience control

uptherebels · 22-02-2018 12:26AM

J C wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The two images are anatomically identical ... something you would expect, from an image produced by medical professionals at a US Government Agency.

What is interesting is that you quibble over whether we are looking at an anatomically correct image or an actual photo ... when they are identical for all intents and purposes.

The objective Humanity of both images is the key thing ... and you obviously cannot deny this ... so you quibble over inessential details instead.

I highlighted some of the differences above. They are far from identical.The reason you use cartoons and not actual images is because the real images don't look enough like a fully formed baby to suit your agenda
How can you attribute humanity to a cartoon drawing?

david75 · 22-02-2018 12:26AM

end of the road wrote: »

if a doctor does not wish to cary out an abortion they have a right not to.

nope wrong, not grasping at straws at all. something as important as this assembly has a duty to represent all counties within the state. the only one getting desperate is you with the abuse of other posters, calling them clueless among other names throughout the thread.

you have no evidence that the poster doesn't have the vaguest notion on how polling works sweetie. one will go where they like and won't be dictated to by you.

you actually are confusing Mormons with Jehovah's Witnesses.

Nobody even reads your posts anymore least of all me. Start talking sense and we might.

NuMarvel · 22-02-2018 12:31AM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

But if you ignore what the the pro abortion leader says , why should I not ?

I dunno lad. You're the one living your life by what he says, not me. I was pro choice long before he copped on.

uck51js9zml2yt · 22-02-2018 12:31AM

Delirium wrote: »

You're confusing Mormons with Jehovah's Witnesses.

He's confusing lots of things, not just JW & Mormons.
He's also not able to differentiate between human and non human....but do carry on!

end of the road · 22-02-2018 12:32AM

david75 wrote: »

Nobody even reads your posts anymore least of all me. Start talking sense and we might.

there is nothing contained within your post that is relevant to whether a christian can vote for unlimited abortion. you have not put forward an argument against anything i have written within your post.

uck51js9zml2yt · 22-02-2018 12:33AM

david75 wrote: »

Nobody even reads your posts anymore least of all me. Start talking sense and we might.

So how do you think you'll know when he's making "sense"?

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-02-2018 12:37AM

J C wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The two images are anatomically identical ... something you would expect, from an image produced by medical professionals at a US Government Agency.

What is interesting is that you quibble over whether we are looking at an anatomically correct image or an actual photo ... when they are identical for all intents and purposes.

The objective Humanity of both images is the key thing ... and you obviously cannot deny this ... so you quibble over inessential details instead.

The images you post are OBVIOUSLY not though! You post images of fully formed babies with eye.lids, finger nails and full finger separation! The correct image of an ACTUAL 12 week old fetus has non of those attributes.

david75 · 22-02-2018 12:52AM

Face you make when you realise you’re trying to get sense out of people who believe there a magic man in the sky who made and controls everything and they go to a building every week where they believe they’re eating his body and drinking his blood and somehow they believe they’re right

And they then use bible quotes to back up their poiht.

Jesus Christ. If you’re out there. Come save us from this utter endless stupidity.

Oh wait.

J C · 22-02-2018 12:56AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The images you post are OBVIOUSLY not though! You post images of fully formed babies with eye.lids, finger nails and full finger separation! The correct image of an ACTUAL 12 week old fetus has non of those attributes.

Why would a US Governmant Medical Agency not produce an anatomically correct image?

Of course they did ... its just that you cannot stomach killing these unborn children in all of their undoubted humanity ... so you go into denial.

J C · 22-02-2018 01:01AM

david75 wrote: »

Face you make when you realise you’re trying to get sense out of people who believe there a magic man in the sky who made and controls everything and they go to a building every week where they believe they’re eating his body and drinking his blood and somehow they believe they’re right

And they then use bible quotes to back up their poiht.

Jesus Christ. If you’re out there. Come save us from this utter endless stupidity.

Oh wait.

The irony is that Jesus will Save you if you genuinely ask.

... and it is indeed 'utter endless stupidity' ... to not avail of Salvation.

Charmeleon · 22-02-2018 01:03AM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I have, but clearly you haven't - the assembly was supposed to provide regional spread. Looks like the red C recruiter didn't have any pals or relatives in the following counties :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/an-unintended-bias-in-the-citizens-assembly-1.2908884

Wow. This, and the revelations about the ‘rogue’ selector really paint a very clear picture of what was actually going on.

david75 · 22-02-2018 01:07AM

J C wrote: »

The irony is that Jesus will Save you if you genuinely ask.

... and it is indeed 'utter endless stupidity' ... to not avail of Salvation.

There’s a film coming soon called Magdalene you might want to see.

splinter65 · 22-02-2018 01:37AM

david75 wrote: »

Well the timing is very strange but this is happening

Seven judges to hear appeal over rights of unborn
Judgment may affect the wording of the referendum on the Eighth Amendment

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/seven-judges-to-hear-appeal-over-rights-of-unborn-1.3399385

I’m here 24 hours later waiting for clarification from you re my post count in this thread.
I’m off to ask a mod about the rules around just straightforward lies.

splinter65 · 22-02-2018 01:41AM

david75 wrote: »

Nobody even reads your posts anymore least of all me. Start talking sense and we might.

David your like one of those schoolyard bullies shouting “no one likes you any more”
Who is “nobody” and who is “we”?

david75 · 22-02-2018 01:45AM

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m here 24 hours later waiting for clarification from you re my post count in this thread.
I’m off to ask a mod about the rules around just straightforward lies.

You have me at a disadvantage. I don’t even remember you or your posts.

Sorry if that’s cause offence. None was intended.

splinter65 · 22-02-2018 01:48AM

david75 wrote: »

It’s accurate though. You and everyone from your POV seem to have unlimited time to be here and argue. Endlessly.

Is that not weird? It’s bizarre in fact. I’m postulating that perhaps that would be time better spent would it not? You have the highest post count i this thread by a long long way.
I’m not clutching at anything by the way.

Least of all at women’s wombs.

Your post to me. I’ve asked you for clarification on my post count in this thread several times but you’ve been dodging it.
Now you feign ignorance?

david75 · 22-02-2018 01:52AM

splinter65 wrote: »

David your like one of those schoolyard bullies shouting “no one likes you any more”
Who is “nobody” and who is “we”?

My definition of a bully is shouting at and shaming a woman into doing something against her own body or wellbeing.

EOTR is a repetitive nonsensical bore that thinks it knows better than women themselves.

It makes for poor discussion and undermines totally any valid opinion from a pro life point of view.

Deflating and destroying those nonsensical points from such a person is all too easy but best ignored.

Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

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