Woman sues pro-Putin "troll factory"

Dohnjoe · 18-02-2018 12:48PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You are literally so incapable of justifying the actions of your beloved yank army in their continued genocides that you can’t do anything but scream “Russian” at any difference of opinion.

This is your personal private opinion.

I've come across more than a few who are so vehemently opposed to any country X policy, gripped with such hatred that they support ridiculous conspiracy theories and defend opposing leaders to country X to an extreme

Their positions are highly partisan, it's almost pointless trying to have any rational or objective debate with them (without fail they will bring up events from decades before, even hundreds of years to demonstrate how "evil" their target is, despite policy actions being taken by completely differing administrations) They will always present their slanted world views as "the norm"

On this particular subject they are essentially indistinguishable from any Putin-bot

IIGeminiII · 18-02-2018 01:35PM

prinzeugen wrote: »

How's the weather in St Petersburg?

Tin-foil hat much? Lol

Billy86 · 18-02-2018 01:42PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I reckon we've had a few of them here on boards.

I wouldn't entirely rule it out I guess, but wouldn't be so sure - boards isn't a big enough site nor Ireland a big enough country to really put too many efforts into (though around the time of the Brexit referendum may have been one exception) and the layout of the forum doesn't lend itself to this kind of attack that well, while reddit with the upvote system, FB and Twitter with likes, shares and retweets, and so on do so much more. For example if a post on page 4 of a thread gets 550 'thanks' on here, it's still not on the front page, and as soon as things roll on to page 5, it's no longer on the 'latest' page either while on the other platforms it can be used to manipulate something to stay on the 'top' of the pile for a lot longer.

It would be far more efficient for them to spread fake news and sow discord over those more popular, more manipulable platforms and let the convenient idiots go ahead and share it on the likes of boards themselves which we have not been lacking for. In fact, that seems to be their preferred method in general if you've read the subpoena from the indictments.

Billy86 · 18-02-2018 01:45PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Money and not the internet buys elections.

Such a shame Putin's estimated worth of $200 billion along with the Russian oligarchy have no such access to money.

Vladimir Poontang · 18-02-2018 01:47PM

If anything, there are several posters on boards who spend almost their entire time posting exclusively pro US and Israeli content and simultaneously castigating their critics as Putin bots.

I'm not saying they are paid, but they sure as hell are obvious.

IIGeminiII · 18-02-2018 01:48PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Their positions are highly partisan, it's almost pointless trying to have any rational or objective debate with them (without fail they will bring up events from decades before, even hundreds of years

Please. Pull the other one. The reason people aren't buying your sob story is because the US [along with their satellite states in Europe] have a long, egregious and historically provable track record of destabilising many, many other countries in basically every continent on the globe by fomenting rebellions, organising stooge candidates, creating false narratives, economic and industrial sabotage, mass murder, targetted assassinations, and everything in between. And you don't have to look back one hundred years, this runs until the present day.

You've bought the company line, hook, line and sinker. That's your own business, but don't think that making shapes and calling people out on being putin bots by reference to their post count looks like anything other than foolish.

Gatling · 18-02-2018 02:09PM

IIGeminiII wrote: »

Please. Pull the other one. The reason people aren't buying your sob story is because the US [along with their satellite states in Europe] have a long, egregious and historically provable track record of destabilising many, many other countries in basically every continent on the globe by fomenting rebellions, organising stooge candidates, creating false narratives, economic and industrial sabotage, mass murder, targetted assassinations, and everything in between. And you don't have to look back one hundred years, this runs until the present day.

The exact same is said about russia ,

Ukraine , Georgia ,are prime examples along with Afghanistan and the occupation and repression of eastern Europe

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-02-2018 02:15PM

Gatling wrote: »

The exact same is said about russia ,

Ukraine , Georgia ,are prime examples along with Afghanistan and the occupation and repression of eastern Europe

Russia is not the Soviet Union, and so we can ignore the Eastern European bit. In the other cases the US and Russia both interfered.

Gatling · 18-02-2018 02:17PM

Billy86 wrote: »

It would be far more efficient for them to spread fake news and sow discord over those more popular, more manipulable platforms and let the convenient idiots go ahead and share it on the likes of boards themselves which we have not been lacking for. In fact, that seems to be their preferred method in general if you've read the subpoena from the indictments.

But this is exactly what they have been doing on here whether it be it in threads on Georgia , Ukraine ,the suppossed surrounding of russia by nato ,
The shooting down of Flight MH17 and the blame on everyone else ,
And anything to do with Syria .

It's the same thing lies and fake news ,
One example is a poster claiming mass graves had been found in parts of east Ukraine and linked to multiple russian news agencies showing fresh piles of dirt with russian soldiers around which apparently contained hundreds of bodies but yet nothing was ever found

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-02-2018 02:22PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is your personal private opinion.

I've come across more than a few who are so vehemently opposed to any country X policy, gripped with such hatred that they support ridiculous conspiracy theories and defend opposing leaders to country X to an extreme

Their positions are highly partisan, it's almost pointless trying to have any rational or objective debate with them (without fail they will bring up events from decades before, even hundreds of years to demonstrate how "evil" their target is, despite policy actions being taken by completely differing administrations) They will always present their slanted world views as "the norm"

On this particular subject they are essentially indistinguishable from any Putin-bot

Until the last sentence I thought you were going to say “Gatling, for example”.

I mean he’s just mentioned the Soviet Union. That’s gone. Might as well mention the Austria- Hungarian empire when talking about Hungary or Austria.

So let’s stick to the last few years. Has Russia does all this: invaded Iraq? Afghanistan. Destabilised Syria. Overthrown Libya? Helped to destabilise Yemen with its proxy Saudi friends. Does it sabre rattle at China and North Korea, continuously threaten Iran and interfere (as always) in the electoral systems of many countries around the world - supporting rebellions where it can (including Georgia and Ukraine).

Gatling · 18-02-2018 02:22PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Russia is not the Soviet Union, and so we can ignore the Eastern European bit. In the other cases the US and Russia both interfered.

No it's not ,

One country ,one dictatorship ,one party ,
Still have a habit for occupations and interference in other states especially neighbors

Billy86 · 18-02-2018 02:31PM

Gatling wrote: »

But this is exactly what they have been doing on here whether it be it in threads on Georgia , Ukraine ,the suppossed surrounding of russia by nato ,
The shooting down of Flight MH17 and the blame on everyone else ,
And anything to do with Syria .

It's the same thing lies and fake news ,
One example is a poster claiming mass graves had been found in parts of east Ukraine and linked to multiple russian news agencies showing fresh piles of dirt with russian soldiers around which apparently contained hundreds of bodies but yet nothing was ever found

Ah yes pretty sure I know exactly which poster you were referring to - and maybe that one would not shock me. I remember the Ukraine thread in particular where that poster was caught lying over and over and over again by one or two US military buff posters (could have been yourself and Manic Moran, at a guess?) and frequently liked to spread the latest fake news stories regarding issues like Brexit and the US election over and over (sure when the mods don't sanction posters for knowingly posting false information, what's the harm?).

I wouldn't be certain if they were a Russian troll though, as opposed to a misled idiot and/or someone desperately seeking attention by way of being contrarian. Boards just makes very little sense as a place to generate much 'spark' from because of the layout... this is more the type of place 4Chan posters like to flood after a particular type of terror attack.

Uboat · 18-02-2018 02:31PM

Gatling wrote: »

Been pissing them off here off for years now

The only thing you can piss are your pants.

Uboat · 18-02-2018 02:33PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Such a shame Putin's estimated worth of $200 billion along with the Russian oligarchy have no such access to money.

It's actually 100500 and 200 billion.

Billy86 · 18-02-2018 02:36PM

Uboat wrote: »

It's actually 100500 and 200 billion.

100500?

The $200bn is a number commonly used by those familiar with the country.

Dohnjoe · 18-02-2018 02:51PM

IIGeminiII wrote: »

Please. Pull the other one. The reason people aren't buying your sob story is because the US [along with their satellite states in Europe] have a long, egregious and historically provable track record of destabilising many, many other countries in basically every continent on the globe by fomenting rebellions, organising stooge candidates, creating false narratives, economic and industrial sabotage, mass murder, targetted assassinations, and everything in between. And you don't have to look back one hundred years, this runs until the present day.

I just predicted this response. We are discussing a current affairs situation in country Y. Yet people have instantly arrived to selectively and emotionally attack country X and it's history (sorry I have to use X and Y because people get too triggered)

They typically label people who disagree with their strong and partisan views as "supporting" country X and will dismiss that which doesn't fit their world view

This thread then becomes about them purely attacking country X (regardless of administration) and diverting from the issue at hand

I am pointing out that examples of Putin bots (from these factories) use a similar flawed methodology, in effect there isn't much difference between the two types of mindsets. They distort and twist debate so that it becomes about country X rather than anything critical of country Y

Political or current affairs discussion of country Y then becomes difficult if not impossible - because these types arrive to specifically malign country X and change the topic

As mentioned many who try to debate with these people are often labeled "sheep" or "pro-country X" or "blind to history", etc - it's actually very similar to debating with conspiracy theorists or fringe anti-government types, anarchists, etc

Want to discuss current affairs or politics regarding country Y? Be prepared for lengthy emotional, passionate, cherry-picked, selective, and/or out-of-context historical attacks on country X and a fixation on perceived hypocrisy (as if these countries are "people" with personalities, instead of different administrations with different policies).. basically turning the debate away from criticism of policy in country Y and projecting it onto an overall emotional attack on country X

So back on topic, it's been suspected that the Kremlin has been directing a disinformation campaign at other countries elections, as more facts come to light, it appears to be true. I remember around the time of the protests in Kiev, the comments section of the Guardian suddenly becoming swamped, 40k comments in one day, it got so bad they had to announce something suspicious was happening and they shut it down for awhile. At the time several commentators were pointing out that it seemed they are being "targeted" by some sort of organised effort. With hindsight, and knowledge of these types of "troll factories" it may very well be true

BuilderPlumber · 18-02-2018 03:30PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Until the last sentence I thought you were going to say “Gatling, for example”.

I mean he’s just mentioned the Soviet Union. That’s gone. Might as well mention the Austria- Hungarian empire when talking about Hungary or Austria.

So let’s stick to the last few years. Has Russia does all this: invaded Iraq? Afghanistan. Destabilised Syria. Overthrown Libya? Helped to destabilise Yemen with its proxy Saudi friends. Does it sabre rattle at China and North Korea, continuously threaten Iran and interfere (as always) in the electoral systems of many countries around the world - supporting rebellions where it can (including Georgia and Ukraine).

America and that tool Netanyahu are responsible for all the above. America's tolerance of Netanyahu shows what hypocrites they are: if he was leader of anywhere else, he'd be removed by America! The whole world is seeing through these idiots. Netanyahu comes out today with this 'Iran is the biggest threat to the world' nonsense. A poor country with a 19th century type army the biggest threat to the world? Surely, the biggest threat to the world is America: America has the biggest arsenal of WMD, is the number one state sponsor of terrorism and has created ALL the current world problems either directly and indirectly. Netanyahu's state is just America's Middle East outpost and America/Netanyahu should apologise to the world instead of preach to it. They should hang their heads in shame. In comparison, Putin is a saint.

Dohnjoe · 18-02-2018 03:49PM

To illustrate my example, case in point above

Uboat · 19-02-2018 01:53AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So back on topic, it's been suspected that the Kremlin has been directing a disinformation campaign at other countries elections, as more facts come to light, it appears to be true. I remember around the time of the protests in Kiev, the comments section of the Guardian suddenly becoming swamped, 40k comments in one day, it got so bad they had to announce something suspicious was happening and they shut it down for awhile. At the time several commentators were pointing out that it seemed they are being "targeted" by some sort of organised effort. With hindsight, and knowledge of these types of "troll factories" it may very well be true

https://ibb.co/fUr9Y7

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 06:28PM

It is sheer ****ing hysteria at this stage. Whatever about the yanks losing their minds, I'd have thought people this side of the pond would have more cop on.

Billy86 · 19-02-2018 06:43PM

Conservatives in America are so sure they are guilty they're now just begging for blanket pardons to all Republicans, and for Trump to try pardoning himself - https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-russia-pardons-mueller-flynn-417094

“I think he should be pardoning anybody who’s been indicted and make it clear that anybody else who gets indicted would be pardoned immediately,” said Frederick Fleitz, a former CIA analyst and senior vice president at the conservative Center for Security Policy.

“It’s kind of cruel what’s going on right now and the president should put these defendants out of their misery,” said Larry Klayman, a conservative legal activist. “I think he should pardon everybody — and pardon himself.”

Meanwhile, high ranking White House officials like National Security Advisor (the role Mike Flynn was in before he got caught making illegal contact with Russian officials) has come out and said there is undeniable evidence of Russian interference - https://www.politico.eu/article/h-r-mcmaster-incontrovertible-evidence-of-russian-interference-in-election

“As you can see with FBI indictment, the evidence is incontrovertible and available in the public domain,” he said at the Munich Security Conference, one of the biggest annual gatherings of security and defense policymakers and experts. “Whereas in the past it was difficult to attribute … now this is in the arena of law enforcement investigation, it’s going to be very apparent to everyone.”

mcmoustache · 19-02-2018 06:51PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I really feel that this debate is going nowhere. I find it absolutely ludicrous that 13 Russians and a bunch of internet trolls can influence an election in a country with a multi billion dollar security/intelligence budget. If that is the case then the US is now in the banana republic category.

If the indictment ended with "And that's all we got", you might have a point. But it doesn't so you don't.

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 06:54PM

Incontrovertible evidence that a handful of Russians allegedly trolled social media.

This in the same week that Facebook confirmed the majority of social media activity took place after the election.

The same election where Clinton spent BILLIONS.

It is such an embarrassing conclusion after months of digging that it is absolutely hilarious.

Banana Republic territory

Billy86 · 19-02-2018 06:56PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Incontrovertible evidence that a handful of Russians allegedly trolled social media.

This in the same week that Facebook confirmed the majority of social media activity took place after the election.

The same election where Clinton spent BILLIONS.

It is such an embarrassing conclusion after months of digging that it is absolutely hilarious.

Banana Republic territory

QUICK MOVE THE GOALPOSTS, QUICK LOOK OVER HERE! HILLARY! OBAMA! SOMETHING LOOK PLEASE LOOK!

You're right, that carry on is embarrassing especially as even higher ups at the White House are admitting it now.

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 06:57PM

Billy86 wrote: »

QUICK MOVE THE GOALPOSTS, QUICK LOOK OVER HERE! HILLARY! OBAMA! SOMETHING LOOK PLEASE LOOK!

You're right, that carry on is embarrassing especially as even higher ups at the White House are admitting it now.

Lol. Typical

mcmoustache · 19-02-2018 06:58PM

It starts with denial and a counter-narrative.

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

The whole thing is ****ing laughable and has been since the night of the election when Hillary's sycophants panicked and scrambled to concoct a narrative to cover for her humiliating and embarrassing loss.

Thus Russiagate was born.

When that fails, you gotta pivot to some whataboutism.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And the US has both troll factories and bought and paid for journalists and think thanks. Etc.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Anyway the obligatory list of us interference. Real interference here. Assassinations. Death squads. Coups.

And it doesn’t include all of the money the CIA spends on other forms of interference. Here’s a list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

IIGeminiII wrote: »

Got to laugh at all of the hand wringing about Russian troll armies and fake news when the entire american film industry is essentially the most successful and sustained propaganda effort in human history.

The Russians have nothing on the US, Britain or France when it comes to propaganda or fake news.

...lots of whataboutism.

mcmoustache · 19-02-2018 07:04PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Ah yes pretty sure I know exactly which poster you were referring to - and maybe that one would not shock me. I remember the Ukraine thread in particular where that poster was caught lying over and over and over again by one or two US military buff posters (could have been yourself and Manic Moran, at a guess?) and frequently liked to spread the latest fake news stories regarding issues like Brexit and the US election over and over (sure when the mods don't sanction posters for knowingly posting false information, what's the harm?).

I wouldn't be certain if they were a Russian troll though, as opposed to a misled idiot and/or someone desperately seeking attention by way of being contrarian. Boards just makes very little sense as a place to generate much 'spark' from because of the layout... this is more the type of place 4Chan posters like to flood after a particular type of terror attack.

If I remember the guy you're talking about, he often forgot to use articles ('a', "the") in his sentences. It was just RT talking points about Ukranian nazis and no Russians in Crimea. Laughable stuff, really. The lack of articles might not seem like a big deal at first but you'll find very few english speakers who'll forget them when writing something.

mcmoustache · 19-02-2018 07:10PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Incontrovertible evidence that a handful of Russians allegedly trolled social media.

This in the same week that Facebook confirmed the majority of social media activity took place after the election.

The same election where Clinton spent BILLIONS.

It is such an embarrassing conclusion after months of digging that it is absolutely hilarious.

Banana Republic territory

Your post assumes that the information released to the public is all that the investigation has. That's a stupid assumption and while it might fool a willing pepé, you'll need to do better with an audience that has been following this for some time now.

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 10:56PM

Ah yes. Mountains of hard evidence being held in secret.

Despite the flood of leaks whenever the smallest most irrelevant piece of crapola that they think will harm Trump turns up.

"He drinks Russian Vodka!" - ZOMG he really is Putin's lapdog.

Puhlease.

IIGeminiII · 20-02-2018 09:21PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I just predicted this response. We are discussing a current affairs situation in country Y. Yet people have instantly arrived to selectively and emotionally attack country X and it's history

I'll admit I didn't read the entire thread, and perhaps not even the opening post, so apologies if I was off topic.

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Another interesting thing to consider, is that regardless of it's level of truth, any narrative about Russian troll armies hacking US democracy will be handled & conformed as weapon of revenge to exact on Russia for having had the audacity to outplay them in Syria, as well as a social programming device to guide public discourse. The American Secret Services [or the Russian Secret Services for that matter] would think nothing of exaggerating the truth, or using double agents [fake Russian spies who are actually CIA] to further their goals.

Woman sues pro-Putin "troll factory"

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