If we had one government

AMKC · 18-02-2018 02:36PM

So I thinking about this a bit last night. So what about all the towns and cities in Countries like Ireland and say Great Britain. So you say there would be no need for banks anymore but we would all be farmers instead. That's a lot of people out of a job they trained a long time for and enjoy doing be it in the finance sector working for a big bank in London or Dublin or for a big company like Facebook or Amazon. What would happen to all these companies and what if someone in the country does not want to be a farmer but likes working in IT and has a job in IT say?

18-02-2018 03:07PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Imagine how good art would be if people made it from feelings rather than return.

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 03:07PM

AMKC wrote: »

So I thinking about this a bit last night. So what about all the towns and cities in Countries like Ireland and say Great Britain. So you say there would be no need for banks anymore but we would all be farmers instead. That's a lot of people out of a job they trained a long time for and enjoy doing be it in the finance sector working for a big bank in London or Dublin or for a big company like Facebook or Amazon. What would happen to all these companies and what if someone in the country does not want to be a farmer but likes working in IT and has a job in IT say?

There would still be jobs in IT. Just not as many hours. Maybe 10 a week for it people.
Thered be still the odd job that finance and accounting skills could be useful in again just not as many hours.
If we have 100 computer fixer and we need a thousand hours of computer fixing a week everybody would have 10 hours or so work. It’d need a few wrinkles and a bit of management but if amazon can send you your parcel by drone I’m sure somebody could work out the creases.
There still be a google or google type department people with 10 or 20 hours work a week would have loads of time for Internet.
Thered still be a fire service and other service jobs but again less working hours.
We don’t need four million farmers working 20 hour days.

Ger Roe · 18-02-2018 03:12PM

We need to send more people into space...

Every astronaut that has been up there has said how struck they were with the fact that the Earth is only small blue marble with a very thin atmospheric layer, and one third land mass to live on. It's also very rare.. we haven't found another one and we are all clinging to life on it's surface.

There are no borders visible when you look back down and when we screw the marble up (as we no doubt will do), it will affect everyone - disaster won't stop at an imagined red line on a map.

That is probably the most important message to come out of the various space missions over the years. We are petty, short-sighted and full of self interest and when we screw things up, it won't matter a damn who used to control what small piece of imagined border area. Look at the situation in the north at the moment - a perfect case in point and a sure reason for despair.

We are all here for a very short time, but we can sure screw things up for future generations while we are here. It seems that as a species we take the screwing up responsibility very seriously.

RobbingBandit · 18-02-2018 03:20PM

No trade and no country but lots o Jesus h Christmas.

Back away not today disco lady.............................................

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 03:23PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

No trade and no country but lots o Jesus h Christmas.

Back away not today disco lady.............................................

You could be into Jesus or whoever you like but I reckon it’d die out. Countries wouldn’t need to promote it to motivate the troops or make sure people stayed married.
A single mother could raise her children with the same opportunities as a married woman.

Mutant z · 18-02-2018 03:27PM

Do you really want to give someone that amount of power over everyone else history has shown that doesn't end well.

bnt · 18-02-2018 03:31PM

There are different ways of looking at this question of one-world government. In my view, timescales are hugely important. Are you prepared to take a short-term loss, or endure hardship, in the hope that it will be worth it in the long run? History tells us that people aren't unless thy are forced to. Soviet Russia had five year plans that did improve the state of the country, but an appalling human cost. They set the Soviet Union up for World War II and contributed to their victory.

The OP's complaints about the current national structure are related to the economy too. Questions of equality or the distribution of food, and so on - these are economic questions. I've read Marx and get some of what he was on about, though his talk of class warfare is not helpful to the current situation.

But when the OP talks about "doing it properly" and overriding regional and tribal concerns, who would take over? An intellectual elite, that's who. A government run by "the best and brightest" would be called a technocracy, and you know some people would have a real problem with that.

But what if computers became more central than they are already? Not just in analysing the situation, but in making decisions and enforcing them? Humans could shrug and say "it's not me, it's the computer". We could end up in a world that looks more like an episode of Star Trek.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 03:33PM

Mutant z wrote: »

Do you really want to give someone that amount of power over everyone else history has shown that doesn't end well.

It wouldn’t be just one person. You’d have thousands of lawyers scratching around looking for work they could write up the best constitution ever.
There’s be very little reason to abuse the power it’s not like you can embezzle money that doesn’t exist.
You could have 10 people on a panel with no connection allowed to the main person and give them the power to sack him/her if they acted the maggot.

qwerty ui op · 18-02-2018 04:27PM

I agree OP, it might take a few hundred years but something similar to what you're saying is inevitable.
Nations are a crazy idea and almost all were brought about by violence, setting up borders was a tremendously violent process and something we have to be moving away from, their is no good argument for a country and unless one can be made they will die out.
Of course it comes across weird or odd to call for no borders today but imagine making a the case against religion one hundred years ago.

I'll remind people that Donald Trump and his kind haven't changed anyone's opinion about anything.

Gunmonkey · 18-02-2018 04:38PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

There would still be jobs in IT. Just not as many hours. Maybe 10 a week for it people.
Thered be still the odd job that finance and accounting skills could be useful in again just not as many hours.
If we have 100 computer fixer and we need a thousand hours of computer fixing a week everybody would have 10 hours or so work. It’d need a few wrinkles and a bit of management but if amazon can send you your parcel by drone I’m sure somebody could work out the creases.
There still be a google or google type department people with 10 or 20 hours work a week would have loads of time for Internet.
Thered still be a fire service and other service jobs but again less working hours.
We don’t need four million farmers working 20 hour days.

What? Still have IT jobs, but not as many hours! When you want to robotize almost every manual labor job? Whos gonna program and fix/maintain these robots and their software? And the hours of a job will be determined by the job, not some magical "10 hours a week" ****e.

What happens if the machinery to pump water into a city breaks? Engineers have to work 2 hours a day as cant go over their limits...or you going to draft in more to fix the problem? What happens when something else breaks and your engineers have all spent their allotted time for the week and are off jerking it to VR porn? Cant make them work overtime because then everyone on earth will have to, to balance it all out...right?

And would think a fire department would work based on how many fires or emergencies there are, not by a pre-described allotment! But thats after finding someone dumb enough to run into a burning building and risking their life when they can get the same as everyone else by sitting at a desk and just stamp forms one after another.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 05:12PM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

What? Still have IT jobs, but not as many hours! When you want to robotize almost every manual labor job? Whos gonna program and fix/maintain these robots and their software? And the hours of a job will be determined by the job, not some magical "10 hours a week" ****e.

What happens if the machinery to pump water into a city breaks? Engineers have to work 2 hours a day as cant go over their limits...or you going to draft in more to fix the problem? What happens when something else breaks and your engineers have all spent their allotted time for the week and are off jerking it to VR porn? Cant make them work overtime because then everyone on earth will have to, to balance it all out...right?

And would think a fire department would work based on how many fires or emergencies there are, not by a pre-described allotment! But thats after finding someone dumb enough to run into a burning building and risking their life when they can get the same as everyone else by sitting at a desk and just stamp forms one after another.

Now you are just looking for problems. There will be so many plumbers to fix the pump standing around that they’d be delighted to have something to go fix.
People have always ran into burning buildings when they could sit at a desk stamping forms. Fire service attracts top class candidates every year despite being underpaid for the valueable job they do.
All these jobs exist and work they don’t need the market to keep going.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:00PM

Think of the rediculous things that are done to ensure the market keeps running.
Celebs are famous for having plastic surgery the papers run with fake stories of them in parks working out in brand name clothes or having fights with their boyfriends holding brand name water.
Think how rediculous brand name bottled water is.
Soon men will be wearing make up just so we can create jobs making more make up.
Women are now brave if they don’t wear make up for a day but it’s said in a way that she should know better.
The young lad was getting his picture taken today for his league id. There was chaos there 13 years old with little bags of hair gel making sure their picture looked just right for an id that only them and an odd referee would see.

This is all market crap to make people think they need something that they don’t need and ruin self esteem to get them to buy it.
This isn’t some George Orwell’s book it’s setting people free.

dxhound2005 · 18-02-2018 07:05PM

I think I would prefer the Worldwide Islamic Caliphate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_caliphate

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:13PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think I would prefer the Worldwide Islamic Caliphate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_caliphate

You would rather a fundamentalist religion running the place based on a book they claim to have found?

Are Am Eye · 18-02-2018 07:14PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think I would prefer the Worldwide Islamic Caliphate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_caliphate

You've just put yourself into dozens of international, security databases

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:16PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You've just put yourself into dozens of international, security databases

I think from reading his posts he has friends in the government.

dxhound2005 · 18-02-2018 07:18PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

You would rather a fundamentalist religion running the place based on a book they claim to have found?

You are not the first one to come up with the idea of a World Government. The reason none of them ever worked and none of them will ever work is because they are all mad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_government

dxhound2005 · 18-02-2018 07:19PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I think from reading his posts he has friends in the government.

I have friends among the Alien Lizards.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:23PM

If Elon musk or mark Zuckerberg said it’s a good idea all iPhone zombies would get onboard.
It’s never properly worked because it’s only ever been tried by crazies.

Avatar MIA · 18-02-2018 07:29PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

it’s only ever been tried by crazies.

I wonder why that is...

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:30PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I wonder why that is...

Usually religion

Are Am Eye · 18-02-2018 07:33PM

We'd probably have to solve the whole israeli-palestinian conflict before we officially unite the world. And north and south Korea. Shia and Sunni. Selika and Anti-Balaka. NI Nationalists and loyalist scum. So on.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:38PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

We'd probably have to solve the whole israeli-palestinian conflict before we officially unite the world. And north and south Korea. Shia and Sunni. Selika and Anti-Balaka. NI Nationalists and loyalist scum. So on.

Think a lot of them would solve themselves out fairly quick if we stopped meddling in their stuff.

Are Am Eye · 18-02-2018 07:48PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Think a lot of them would solve themselves out fairly quick if we stopped meddling in their stuff.

Great. We just need to do up the paper work then.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:49PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Great. We just need to do up the paper work then.

This would take decades to implement I’d be long dead but it’s something we can start building towards.

dxhound2005 · 18-02-2018 07:51PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

This would take decades to implement I’d be long dead but it’s something we can start building towards.

You want the whole world to agree on a single government. But if anyone dares to question your philosophy, you turn on them. It is not an auspicious start.

Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 07:53PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You want the whole world to agree on a single government. But if anyone dares to question your philosophy, you turn on them. It is not an auspicious start.

I didn’t turn on anyone I can assure you. If any of my posts came across that way I’m sorry. The typed word sometimes doesn’t show jokey talk.

Permabear · 18-02-2018 08:42PM

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Ajsoprano · 18-02-2018 08:49PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Excellent point. A bullet proof constitution and management structure would be needed.

If we had one government

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