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Woman sues pro-Putin "troll factory"

  • 16-02-2018 11:34PM
    #1
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭


    In light of recent events this woman sued them and "won" (a token rouble payout). Surprised I missed this story at the time, but still relevant
    A Russian court has ordered a secretive pro-Putin “propaganda factory” to pay symbolic damages to an employee who sued them in a bid to expose the workings of the Kremlin’s online trolls.

    The Agency for Internet Studies, which hired people to write pro-Kremlin propaganda from a nondescript St Petersburg address, was sued by ex-employee Lyudmila Savchuk for alleged non-payment of wages and for failing to give workers proper contracts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/18/woman-who-sued-pro-putin-russian-troll-factory-gets-one-rouble-in-damages

    I reckon we've had a few of them here on boards.


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  • #2
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Boards closed the Russian forum

    Problem solved

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  • #3
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I reckon we've had a few of them here on boards.
    Quite a few of them works for The Guardian.

    Or maybe not, then they would know that they're not actually trolls, they're bots.


  • #4
    Vladimir Poontang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Vladimir Poontang


    Muh Russians


  • #5
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    In light of recent events this woman sued them and "won" (a token rouble payout). Surprised I missed this story at the time, but still relevant



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/18/woman-who-sued-pro-putin-russian-troll-factory-gets-one-rouble-in-damages

    I reckon we've had a few of them here on boards.


    Been pissing them off here off for years now
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  • #6
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Gatling wrote: »
    Been pissing them off here off for years now

    And nyet earning rouble for this? .. crazy westerner


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  • #7
    cantdecide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    biko wrote: »
    Quite a few of them works for The Guardian.

    Or maybe not, then they would know that they're not actually trolls, they're bots.

    They're not actually bots. They prefer to be called automatons.


  • #8
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Boards closed the Russian forum

    Problem solved

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    Я так не думаю


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  • #9
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    This has been well known for years, even before the US election there were articles about that place in St Petersburg.


  • #10
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    In light of recent events this woman sued them and "won" (a token rouble payout). Surprised I missed this story at the time, but still relevant
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/18/woman-who-sued-pro-putin-russian-troll-factory-gets-one-rouble-in-damages
    Savchuk and other employees bombarded website comment pages with praise for Vladimir Putin.
    What website comment pages? Hardly English language western ones because Ms Savchuk doesn't speak a word of English? Theres an interview with her on youtube and an interpreter has to be used.
    Perhaps you can enlighten me?


  • #11
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    What website comment pages? Hardly English language western ones because Ms Savchuk doesn't speak a word of English? Theres an interview with her on youtube and an interpreter has to be used.
    Perhaps you can enlighten me?

    The "Internet Research Agency" is responsible for a large amount of English speaking pro-Russian propaganda across multiple fronts
    Overview here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

    A recent example is the number of submissions on Reddit
    https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaLago/comments/7y6ola/there_have_been_241_posts_in_rthe_donald_linking/
    (the comment directly underneath counts over 1200 submissions from IRA accounts)

    Responsible for fake bloggers with tens of thousands of followers
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/03/alt-right-twitter-blogger-jenna-abrams-unmasked-creation-russian/

    The troll farm has been indicted by Mueller for interfering with the US elections
    http://www.euronews.com/2018/02/17/the-internet-research-agency-the-russian-troll-farm-that-meddled-with-2016-us-elections

    It's all part of the broader information and propaganda war conducted by Russia


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  • #12
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    A once proud country now resorts to state sponsored internet trolling, sad.


  • #13
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Dohnjoe wrote: »

    A recent example is the number of submissions on Reddit
    https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaLago/comments/7y6ola/there_have_been_241_posts_in_rthe_donald_linking/
    (the comment directly underneath counts over 1200 submissions from IRA accounts)
    with the US elections
    I had a look at some of the "trolls" in this link and I can't find anything that can prove that Russian "interference" influenced the US election but if criticism of H.Clinton can be considered as interference then so be it.
    I didn't bother to open the torygraph link and what would you expect Mueller to say.
    By the way I saw Bellingcat mentioned in the wiki link - irony or what!
    Believe me, in the propaganda war the Russians are light years behind. Money and not the internet buys elections.


  • #14
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    I had a look at some of the "trolls" in this link and I can't find anything that can prove that Russian "interference"

    Were you talking to the man in the mirror
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  • #15
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Gatling wrote: »
    Were you talking to the man in the mirror
    Imagine posting this in a thread about trolling. You just don't get it do you?
    You never did. But at least you're honest, last night you admitted you are a troll.
    Been pissing them off here off for years now


  • #16
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    if criticism of H.Clinton can be considered as interference then so be it.

    It wasn't criticism. It was a vast coordinated state effort of deliberately planted false and fake stories and heavy propaganda against one candidate in favor of another to potentially affect the outcome of election. Other methods included reaching out illegally to one candidates election team (and possibly the candidate himself)

    Trump agreed with the US intelligence services consensus that Russia tried to influence the election
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-agrees-us-intelligence-community-russia-meddled-election/story?id=51091798

    One of the tools the Kremlin used were these "troll factories" as detailed in the links

    Getting caught doing it is not really an issue for Putin (Russian press freedom is already in the gutter, viable opposition under arrest, house arrest or dead) - so it's unlikely to affect him domestically. Thankfully countries are getting wise to it and are taking measures to protect themselves from it


  • #17
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It wasn't criticism. It was a vast coordinated state effort of deliberately planted false and fake stories and heavy propaganda against one candidate in favor of another to potentially affect the outcome of election. Other methods included reaching out illegally to one candidates election team (and possibly the candidate himself)

    Trump agreed with the US intelligence services consensus that Russia tried to influence the election
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-agrees-us-intelligence-community-russia-meddled-election/story?id=51091798

    One of the tools the Kremlin used were these "troll factories" as detailed in the links

    Getting caught doing it is not really an issue for Putin (Russian press freedom is already in the gutter, viable opposition under arrest, house arrest or dead) - so it's unlikely to affect him domestically. Thankfully countries are getting wise to it and are taking measures to protect themselves from it
    I really feel that this debate is going nowhere. I find it absolutely ludicrous that 13 Russians and a bunch of internet trolls can influence an election in a country with a multi billion dollar security/intelligence budget. If that is the case then the US is now in the banana republic category.


  • #18
    milehip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭milehip


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It wasn't criticism. It was a vast coordinated state effort of deliberately planted false and fake stories and heavy propaganda against one candidate in favor of another to potentially affect the outcome of election. Other methods included reaching out illegally to one candidates election team (and possibly the candidate himself)

    Trump agreed with the US intelligence services consensus that Russia tried to influence the election
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-agrees-us-intelligence-community-russia-meddled-election/story?id=51091798

    One of the tools the Kremlin used were these "troll factories" as detailed in the links

    Getting caught doing it is not really an issue for Putin (Russian press freedom is already in the gutter, viable opposition under arrest, house arrest or dead) - so it's unlikely to affect him domestically. Thankfully countries are getting wise to it and are taking measures to protect themselves from it
    I really feel that this debate is going nowhere. I find it absolutely ludicrous that 13 Russians and a bunch of internet trolls can influence an election in a country with a multi billion dollar security/intelligence budget. If that is the case then the US is now in the banana republic category.


    Nice of you to join us tonight Donald.


  • #19
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    I really feel that this debate is going nowhere. I find it absolutely ludicrous that 13 Russians and a bunch of internet trolls can influence an election in a country with a multi billion dollar security/intelligence budget. If that is the case then the US is now in the banana republic category.

    Argument from incredulity

    "I can't believe X, Y, Z.. therefore can't be true" or "X, Y, Z contradicts my world view therefore I cannot believe it"

    Facebook alone said Russian backed propaganda and ads regarding the 2016 elections reached 126 million people.

    Mueller has indicted 13, it doesn't mean literally only "13 individuals" are involved. It's estimated there were around several hundred employees in the mentioned factory alone (of which they chose to indict 12)

    It's not crude either, very sophisticated and elaborate ways of creating fake news and manipulating the media - well detailed here
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html


  • #20
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    But at least you're honest, last night you admitted you are a troll.

    Eh No .

    Your still wrong .


    Imagine that .


    I clearly stated I've been pissing the putinbots for years ,
    isn't the right elmer
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  • #21
    Vladimir Poontang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Vladimir Poontang


    The whole thing is ****ing laughable and has been since the night of the election when Hillary's sycophants panicked and scrambled to concoct a narrative to cover for her humiliating and embarrassing loss.

    Thus Russiagate was born.


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  • #22
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gatling wrote: »
    Were you talking to the man in the mirror

    Are you really that nutty to think that Irish people who oppose American foreign policy are all russkies. Surely you realise that opppsition to US foreign policy is the most common position in Ireland.

    And the US has both troll factories and bought and paid for journalists and think thanks. Etc.


  • #23
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gatling wrote: »
    Eh No .

    Your still wrong .


    Imagine that .


    I clearly stated I've been pissing the putinbots for years ,
    isn't the right elmer

    So to be clear. You think Elmer is a Russian?


  • #24
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Anyway the obligatory list of us interference. Real interference here. Assassinations. Death squads. Coups.

    And it doesn’t include all of the money the CIA spends on other forms of interference. Here’s a list.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention


  • #25
    IIGeminiII
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭IIGeminiII


    Got to laugh at all of the hand wringing about Russian troll armies and fake news when the entire american film industry is essentially the most successful and sustained propaganda effort in human history.

    The Russians have nothing on the US, Britain or France when it comes to propaganda or fake news.


  • #26
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    IIGeminiII wrote: »
    Got to laugh at all of the hand wringing about Russian troll armies and fake news when the entire american film industry is essentially the most successful and sustained propaganda effort in human history.

    The Russians have nothing on the US, Britain or France when it comes to propaganda or fake news.

    How's the weather in St Petersburg?


  • #27
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    ^ It’s like living in the McCarthyite era again. Tin foil hats all around.


  • #28
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    ^ It’s like living in the McCarthyite era again. Tin foil hats all around.

    Low count newly registered or re-registered in most cases defending russian interference with tinfoilary .

    You would think that they would have given up by now
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  • #29
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gatling wrote: »
    Low count newly registered or re-registered in most cases defending russian interference with tinfoilary .

    You would think that they would have given up by now

    You are literally so incapable of justifying the actions of your beloved yank army in their continued genocides that you can’t do anything but scream “Russian” at any difference of opinion.

    As I said the vast majority of Irish people oppose American foreign policy.


  • #30
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    And the US has both troll factories and bought and paid for journalists and think thanks. Etc.

    Can you provide the sources for this, thanks


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  • #31
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Are you really that nutty to think that Irish people who oppose American foreign policy are all russkies. Surely you realise that opppsition to US foreign policy is the most common position in Ireland.

    And the US has both troll factories and bought and paid for journalists and think thanks. Etc.

    Yeah but when the excitement hits the fan, who you gonna call?


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