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Middle Man wrote: »

There has always been a general biological difference between men and women (not by way of superiority though) - the Women have traditionally been strong in the communication and social sectors - the Men have traditionally been strong in the calculative and scientific sectors. It has also been found that in testing social interaction among children (in couples of the same gender) in the USA (where an activity was provided), the girls were more focused on the other person (communication and social interaction) where the boys were more focussed on the activity (logistics and teamwork). Of course, there will always be a certain crossover factor (women being interested in construction and men being interested in social care for example). That said, it cannot be ignored that the men have traditionally been the drivers of society while the women acted very effectively as the moderators - both are extremely important. Now, we see very clear examples across the globe where in the absence of moderation, we have conflict and in the absence of drive, little gets done and infrastructure starts falling apart - thus we need a proper balance.

Is this not stereotyping both genders into various roles just because that's how it seemed to operate in times gone past? For a lot of history, we have been beating the living crap out of each other, probably less so these days. So if anything, the path we are on now is one that goes towards moderation, and not what went on before.

Middle Man wrote: »

Much of Western society has become feminised to the point that the drive aspect of men is being suppressed and that there has been less and less desire to get infrastructure done in Ireland (like men being interested in soap operas etc) - the recent motorways were motivated by pure embarrassment over the state of the roads - we were the laughing stock of Europe. However, we are doing little to get on with the infrastructural element - Dublin has no underground rail system while our water system is falling apart. Much of our broadband is also a disgrace and the question is: Where is the motivation??? Is is anything to do with the fact that being a real man is so uncool and that to have drive and ambition is too 'manly' in Irish society and that men should think the way women do? Well sorry, it's not working. Next time your power goes down, broadband goes dead, water stops running, the sewers start overflowing, traffic comes to a standstill, the train breaks down, potholes appear etc. and wonder why this is constantly happening - well that's the challenge for us all!

It probably wasn't your intention, but I find this stuff about the "feminisation of men" to be largely a red herring spouted by Internet guru's out to convince their followers that all men will be wearing mini-skirts in a decade if this stuff gets a hold:D Once again, it seems to hark back to mystical golden days of yore where masculinity was the be all and end all (even though no two people will ever agree on what masculinity is) and everybody had their pre-determined roles (men doing men stuff, women doing women stuff etc) and we were all so much happier. It's ultra conservatism no matter what way you§ want to look at it. The "feminisation of men" is not behind crumbling infrastructure, it's more greed (sometimes) and a complete lack of proper long term planning because society favours the quick fix (this accounts for most of it IMO). Men still have drive and ambition, well most men I know do, and despite what a few rent-a-quotes might say, most men will continue to do so.

I also do not believe that lads would believe that "being a real man is uncool" (maybe a few younger lads might internalise that in their formative years, but would grow out of it like most silly phases) mainly because there is no set definition for being a "real man". Everybody will have different ideas regarding what that means, hence I do not see any problems arising there.