Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

optogirl · 09-02-2018 01:20PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I have posted this before.

Blindboy made a huge sweeping statement when he said that Feminism is what young men need. And he did it on National TV.

He never qualified it, never caveated it, never explained what aspects or strains of Feminism should be investigated and ignored. Again he did this on national TV.

A LOT of modern Third/Fourth wave Feminism that is out there and visible is highly toxic. Its central message is that White CIS Gendered men are the enemy and that they are oppressors. Of Women, of minorities, of trans people as well.

Now this may not be visible is, or as visible, to older white men who do not live in the digital world. But it is visible to young men who are inhabiting the digital world almost constantly now.

How toxic this strain of feminism, and I use the word strain because it is a virus, can be seen in the way that it treats REAL feminists like Camille Paglia, Germaine Greer or Julie Bindell. Hell even Margaret Atwood has been getting it in the neck recently from these Third/Fourth wave feminists.

And this is the feminism that young men need?

Blindboy needed to be very clear and very careful when he delivered the message that young men needing feminism.

He was neither.

And that is why he is getting criticism for it.

and it's absolutely fine to criticise it - but to dismiss him and his work on the basis of this one talking point is silly. He is not 'pushing' an agenda at all - he gave is thoughts on how he felt traditional masculinity is damaging for young men - that's his opinion & based on his own experience. I don't think I've heard him mention it since - he has referred to male privilege in a couple of podcasts but in context and amid a variety of other topics & discussion points, all of which he invites people to challenge him on.

Baggly · 09-02-2018 01:22PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I have posted this before.

Blindboy made a huge sweeping statement when he said that Feminism is what young men need. And he did it on National TV.

He never qualified it, never caveated it, never explained what aspects or strains of Feminism should be investigated and ignored. Again he did this on national TV.

A LOT of modern Third/Fourth wave Feminism that is out there and visible is highly toxic. Its central message is that White CIS Gendered men are the enemy and that they are oppressors. Of Women, of minorities, of trans people as well.

Now this may not be visible is, or as visible, to older white men who do not live in the digital world. But it is visible to young men who are inhabiting the digital world almost constantly now.

How toxic this strain of feminism, and I use the word strain because it is a virus, can be seen in the way that it treats REAL feminists like Camille Paglia, Germaine Greer or Julie Bindell. Hell even Margaret Atwood has been getting it in the neck recently from these Third/Fourth wave feminists.

And this is the feminism that young men need?

Blindboy needed to be very clear and very careful when he delivered the message that young men needing feminism.

He was neither.

And that is why he is getting criticism for it.

I dont disagree there is a danger of this interpretation of feminism happening, i just think the audience of the LLS are more likely to identify with 'traditional' feminism as a first touchpoint over what you have proposed.

Hiberno12345 · 09-02-2018 01:29PM

Pter wrote: »

I get what you are trying to say; im asking you do you have more than one piece of evidence to support the existance of the theorised agenda you mentioned.

I only asked for a clarification on the agenda, as you cant give one instance as proof of an agenda.

By definition there has to be more than one instance.

So either there is an alternate agenda you havent explained that the instance in question is proof of, or there is more evidence; which i am curious of and would like you to share!

This isn't a court of law, and I don't have to prove anything so conclusively to you. I don't have the time but im positive there's loads of examples of him pushing the globalist friendly cultural marxist agenda. No doubt he's regurgitating some ****e he got fed in college.

If i'm not mistaken, I heard the chancer is a lecturer in media studies or something similarly bull**** in a limerick college/university?
It would certainly explain the cultural marxism zealotry, Irish academia is stuffed to the rafters with these parasites.
Here's another inconsistency; he rails against "capitalism" but he sure doesn't mind the money he makes in said system does he?
If he feels so strongly about the evils of capitalism etc why doesn't he move to north korea? Too many capitalist comforts here perhaps?
Anyways got work to do
Im out.

RocketRaccoon · 09-02-2018 01:32PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I suppose it could be true, I mean look at all the great things Trump is doing for America. I mean, he is always talking about it, and on a much bigger stage than Dave Chambers. I can't quantify the good he's doing, but taking is the same right??

Are you going to discuss the matter with the person who posted and told you BB helped him?

koumi · 09-02-2018 01:33PM

Hiding behind anonymity in order to convey his opinion, who'd have thunk that kind of behavior would ever be considered normal.

RocketRaccoon · 09-02-2018 01:34PM

david75 wrote: »

Just now on twitter. He’s helping people whether we realise it or like it or not

https://twitter.com/yaboydiarmy/status/961933590698319872

Listen here right, don't be coming in here with facts about them helping people. It can't be true because BB wears a bag on his head.

optogirl · 09-02-2018 01:35PM

I can understand not being a fan but those posting about not liking him here are so angry...don't listen to him. Although I must say his podcast has a very calming effect on me so maybe...

RocketRaccoon · 09-02-2018 01:35PM

koumi wrote: »

Hiding behind anonymity in order to convey his opinion, who'd have thunk that kind of behavior would ever be considered normal.

Is this being ironic on purpose?

koumi · 09-02-2018 01:36PM

sorry can't hear you am wearing a towel

Hiberno12345 · 09-02-2018 01:38PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I have posted this before.

Blindboy made a huge sweeping statement when he said that Feminism is what young men need. And he did it on National TV.

He never qualified it, never caveated it, never explained what aspects or strains of Feminism should be investigated and ignored. Again he did this on national TV.

A LOT of modern Third/Fourth wave Feminism that is out there and visible is highly toxic. Its central message is that White CIS Gendered men are the enemy and that they are oppressors. Of Women, of minorities, of trans people as well.

Now this may not be visible is, or as visible, to older white men who do not live in the digital world. But it is visible to young men who are inhabiting the digital world almost constantly now.

How toxic this strain of feminism, and I use the word strain because it is a virus, can be seen in the way that it treats REAL feminists like Camille Paglia, Germaine Greer or Julie Bindell. Hell even Margaret Atwood has been getting it in the neck recently from these Third/Fourth wave feminists.

And this is the feminism that young men need?

Blindboy needed to be very clear and very careful when he delivered the message that young men needing feminism.

He was neither.

And that is why he is getting criticism for it.

He doesn't qualify because (in absence of evidence to show otherwise) he supports the agenda. As you rightly point out; very, very dangerous to vulnerable people indeed.

Baggly · 09-02-2018 01:39PM

Hiberno12345 wrote: »

This isn't a court of law, and I don't have to prove anything so conclusively to you. I don't have the time but im positive there's loads of examples of him pushing the globalist friendly cultural marxist agenda. No doubt he's regurgitating some ****e he got fed in college.

If i'm not mistaken, I heard the chancer is a lecturer in media studies or something similarly bull**** in a limerick college/university?
It would certainly explain the cultural marxism zealotry, Irish academia is stuffed to the rafters with these parasites.
Here's another inconsistency; he rails against "capitalism" but he sure doesn't mind the money he makes in said system does he?
If he feels so strongly about the evils of capitalism etc why doesn't he move to north korea? Too many capitalist comforts here perhaps?
Anyways got work to do
Im out.

Im not sending you to a gulag if you dont stump up the good stuff. Im just curious is all!

I hadnt heard he was a lecturer. Must look into that!

He actually addresses the marxist point and about how he reconciles capitalismn vs his views on one of his pods. Id recommend you listen to it so we can keep the discussion going on both sides.

Baggly · 09-02-2018 01:39PM

Lads; one instance an agenda doesnt make. Am i wrong or mad that im repeating this and no-one is refuting that?

Danjamin1 · 09-02-2018 02:00PM

Hiberno12345 wrote: »

He doesn't qualify because (in absence of evidence to show otherwise) he supports the agenda. As you rightly point out; very, very dangerous to vulnerable people indeed.

This is such a funny sticking point people have about his "dangerous" ideas because his explanation of how men need feminism on his podcast doesn't sound like he's saying that at all - it sounds like he's misusing the word feminism in this context. When he describes how he thinks men need feminism he's talking about the opinion that men should act like men & not bear any effeminate traits. That's not feminism.

Kingp35 · 09-02-2018 02:35PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

This is such a funny sticking point people have about his "dangerous" ideas because his explanation of how men need feminism on his podcast doesn't sound like he's saying that at all - it sounds like he's misusing the word feminism in this context. When he describes how he thinks men need feminism he's talking about the opinion that men should act like men & not bear any effeminate traits. That's not feminism.

You're spot on here. Most of the people complaining about the fact he said men need feminism have not actually listened to the podcast to get the full context of what he is saying. His opinion is essentially that men should not be afraid to show their emotions and that bottling up our emotions is detrimental to our mental health.

Of course you can choose not to agree with this if you wish but I think people are seeing the word feminism and instantly equating blindboy with the militant feminists who think all white cis males are evil.

I honestly can't take the opinion of anyone who hasn't listened to the podcasts seriously as they have no idea of the context in which he's speaking.

weldoninhio · 09-02-2018 02:37PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Are you going to discuss the matter with the person who posted and told you BB helped him?

Days being shyte does not equal depressed. Listening to anything you like, be it a podcast, song or an album will help you feel better if you are having a bad day. You're really scraping the barrel.

koumi · 09-02-2018 02:40PM

Kingp35 wrote: »

You're spot on here. Most of the people complaining about the fact he said men need feminism have not actually listened to the podcast to get the full context of what he is saying. His opinion is essentially that men should not be afraid to show their emotions and that bottling up our emotions is detrimental to our mental health.

Of course you can choose not to agree with this if you wish but I think people are seeing the word feminism and instantly equating blindboy with the militant feminists who think all white cis males are evil.

I honestly can't take the opinion of anyone who hasn't listened to the podcasts seriously as they have no idea of the context in which he's speaking.

I don't believe they are capable of hearing, not because they are wearing a towel or because he has a plastic bag on his head but because he might actually be saying something that would drastically change their opinions. Much easier to just make something a feminazi campaign and shout at it until it goes away. (or they feel better)

Reati · 09-02-2018 02:40PM

Hiberno12345 wrote: »

As you rightly point out; very, very dangerous to vulnerable people indeed.

Jaysus, heard it all now.

Look things like Scientology are very, very,dangerous. Drinking lead is very, very,dangerous.

Blindboy very, very,dangerous? Are ya well.

optogirl · 09-02-2018 02:45PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Days being shyte does not equal depressed. Listening to anything you like, be it a podcast, song or an album will help you feel better if you are having a bad day. You're really scraping the barrel.

but you spent a series of posts demanding people provide evidence of BB helping anyone with their mental health then promptly ignored all the instances of feedback that people posted where he has - feeling down, even if it's not full blown depression, is still an indicator of your mental well being.

weldoninhio · 09-02-2018 02:51PM

optogirl wrote: »

but you spent a series of posts demanding people provide evidence of BB helping anyone with their mental health then promptly ignored all the instances of feedback that people posted where he has - feeling down, even if it's not full blown depression, is still an indicator of your mental well being.

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

The Moldy Gowl · 09-02-2018 02:53PM

Probably because they were more comfortable?

Baggly · 09-02-2018 02:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

I replied to that pal.

It is, and im just spitballing here, that he has had more than one instance of dealing with mental health issues and (now this is where you have to stick with me) that he has had more than one type of mental health issue to deal with.

Im shocked to see you using the rolleyes emoji. Its almost like you are treating anyone on this thread that doesnt agree with you with contempt, having made up your mind on what you think already.

koumi · 09-02-2018 02:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

Do you suffer form mental health issues or are you just objecting on the grounds that you don't approve of this message?

Danjamin1 · 09-02-2018 02:55PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

Why would anyone address something as personal as his experience of mental health issues in order to denounce them? Is he not allowed to have suffered from Anxiety & Agoraphobia as well as depression? Sure, perhaps there's some exaggeration going on but who of us could possibly know that? I don't think it's something that needs to be undermined.

optogirl · 09-02-2018 02:55PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

so your issue is that you don't believe he had or has these issues? That's your prerogative I guess but I don't have any reason not to believe him.

weldoninhio · 09-02-2018 02:56PM

koumi wrote: »

Do you suffer form mental health issues or are you just objecting on the grounds that you don't approve of this message?

I have in the past, so I can see from my experiences when I was down that he's talking nonsense.

Hiberno12345 · 09-02-2018 02:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned feeling down at all in his tweet. Jesus, the Dave Chambers Fan Club really do only see what they want.

I notice no one has ever replied to my post questioning how he went from talking about his "anxiety and agoraphobia" in his early days talking about mental health, but now talks about his "deep dark depression". Much like Bressie, his former mental health issues seem to be getting worse and worse the further into the past they get. :rolleyes:

Ching, ching. You can't let serious inconsistencies get in the way of a socialist/marxist making money in a capitalist system.

Baggly · 09-02-2018 02:56PM

koumi wrote: »

Do you suffer form mental health issues or are you just objecting on the grounds that you don't approve of this message?

Weldon has actually contributed a lot to this thread in the last few days, in fairness to him, and on review of his posts, i can ascertain that he just doesnt like blindboy and anything he says.

Im yet to get a solid reason as to why. Or rather, im yet to get a reason from Weldon that he will actually discuss for more than 1 reply.

weldoninhio · 09-02-2018 02:57PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

Why would anyone address something as personal as his experience of mental health issues in order to denounce them? Is he not allowed to have suffered from Anxiety & Agoraphobia as well as depression? Sure, perhaps there's some exaggeration going on but who of us could possibly know that? I don't think it's something that needs to be undermined.

Ah grand, so him and Bressie only spoke about their mild mental health disgnoses at the beginning and built up to their deep dark depressions?? Like a song or a movie draws you in before reaching a crescendo?? Or like when you see you can make money out of something and have to keep adding to the story so it doesn't become stale.

Danjamin1 · 09-02-2018 02:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I have in the past, so I can see from my experiences when I was down that he's talking nonsense.

He's not following the handbook is he not? It's not something that manifests itself exactly the same, you should know that yourself.

optogirl · 09-02-2018 02:58PM

Hiberno12345 wrote: »

Ching, ching. You can't let serious inconsistencies get in the way of a socialist/marxist making money in a capitalist system.

The cheek of him trying to earn a living.

Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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