Another Sinn Fein blunder?

cycle4fun · 08-02-2018 08:36PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Except maybe the one in Belfast?

You can contact the one in Belfast. Or maybe, as Phoebas says:

Phoebas wrote: »

When Gerry Kelly asks for the bolt cutters, you hand them over and you thank Gerry Kelly for asking. :eek:

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2018 08:41PM

Aaaaaannd switch again. :rolleyes:

McMurphy · 08-02-2018 09:38PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

You can contact the one in Belfast. Or maybe, as Phoebas says:

I'm not seemingly as obsessively concerned as you are.

First you wanted to know why Kelly had Bolt cutters in his car, and wondered what else he may keep in it.

That one gets knocked down, so you are straight off on any other one (you have form on this regard)

Looks to me like the man involved made a claim in national news outlets and airways about where he got the equipment needed to remove the clamp placed on his vehicle, and he has indicated that the gym involved weren't told why he needed them.

We were first told of the stringent laws/rules and paperwork that goes hand in hand with such dangerous piece of equipment (even though any one can buy them anywhere in any amount with not so much as a question asked). You even copied and pasted some of the stringent rules and tips that must be adhered to when operating such hazardous equipment.

This soon switched as to how it surely must be very rare that any gym anywhere would keep bolt cutters on their premises.

In appears a poster to give you his experience that the gym he worked in kept them.

Now it has switched yet again.

I have not seen a statement from the gym involved countering the claim (I know I would if I was being dragged into something I had not been involved in) based on that alone - I'm inclined to believe that the gym did indeed (even if unaware/uniformed of the true nature of why they were required) provide the highly dangerous and over regulated bolt cutters.

I provided you with an email address that you could maybe ask (as you seem to doubt Kelly's version of events) you however seem to not want to do that.

Another tangent must surely be incoming.

Stand by.......... and 1.....2.....3.......

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2018 09:49PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm not seemingly as obsessively concerned as you are.

First you wanted to know why Kelly had Bolt cutters in his car, and wondered what else he may keep in it.

That one gets knocked down, so you are straight off on any other one (you have form on this regard)

Looks to me like the man involved made a claim in national news outlets and airways about where he got the equipment needed to remove the clamp placed on his vehicle, and he has indicated that the gym involved weren't told why he needed them.

We were first told of the stringent laws/rules and paperwork that goes hand in hand with such dangerous piece of equipment (even though any one can buy them anywhere in any amount with not so much as a question asked). You even copied and pasted some of the stringent rules and tips that must be adhered to when operating such hazardous equipment.

This soon switched as to how it surely must be very rare that any gym anywhere would keep bolt cutters on their premises.

In appears a poster to give you his experience that the gym he worked in kept them.

Now it has switched yet again.

I have not seen a statement from the gym involved countering the claim (I know I would if I was being dragged into something I had not been involved in) based on that alone - I'm inclined to believe that the gym did indeed (even if unaware/uniformed of the true nature of why they were required) provide the highly dangerous and over regulated bolt cutters.

I provided you with an email address that you could maybe ask (as you seem to doubt Kelly's version of events) you however seem to not want to do that.

Another tangent must surely be incoming.

Stand by.......... and 1.....2.....3.......

'You find the strict rules yourself if you are so bothered about them Johnny!'

McMurphy · 08-02-2018 09:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'You find the strict rules yourself if you are so bothered about them Johnny!'

Kinda farcical at this stage, I think I'll go off and count the blades of grass on my front lawn.

Feisar · 08-02-2018 10:20PM

Non story however who has bolt cutters in their car?

I Have:

Hollow iron bar - to slip over the wheel brace
Water - in case I need a drink or need to top up the windscreen washer
Few Protein Bars - you know, the munchies
Jump Leads
Fallkniven PRK
A nifty fifty - bank card lost no cash etc
Spare change of clothes - I travel a lot and may need to stay over somewhere unexpectedly.

I got clamped on Hanover St. East once, there is a bus loading area or something there. The markings on the road are faded so I didn't realize. Sickening thing was there was parking on the other side of the street when I parked up.

Junkyard Tom · 08-02-2018 10:20PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Aaah, the anti-intellectualism of shinners, it can always be relied on

You'd know all about that. Here, educate yourself a bit. The article you cited confirms your own bias so therefore must be accurate? Bless.

The eschewing of experts goes a long way to explaining shinnernomics!

I haven't a clue about 'shinnernomics' or whatever your current unhealthy obsession with the party is.

cycle4fun · 09-02-2018 06:09AM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

First you wanted to know why Kelly had Bolt cutters in his car, and wondered what else he may keep in it.

Your liitle rant is not accurate. It was other people who first wondered and joked what else he may keep in it.
Quote " The party’s leader-elect Mary Lou McDonald, said on Sunday she had “absolutely no idea” why Mr Kelly had a bolt cutter in his car."
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/gerry-kelly-interviewed-by-police-after-removing-clamp-from-his-car-1.3379431
Since then the story has switched to him borrowing the boltcutter from the gym, and he said the gym did not know what he wanted the large pair of boltcutters for.

Mr Kelly said in his statement (on Monday) "Let me add that staff at the gym were not aware what I was using the bolt cutters for."

Bridge93 wrote: »

Worked in a gym in Canada for a summer when I was in college. Had a set of bolt cutters for the locks. If needed the staff would go and cut the lock, the customers were not allowed to use them themselves. Was health & safety and legal reasons behind it.

No surprise if you phone up an Irish gym and ask for the loan of boltcutters they will say no too.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

3 sites I worked on had rules about boltcutters.

Every time someone wanted to use it it had to be documented, dated, name of person and reason for use.

Also only certain people were permitted to do this documentation.

Thats my experience.

And I am sure the sites you worked on only insured employees were permited to use the boltcutters: there would be no question of a member of the public borrowing this tool, for health, safety and legal reasons.

In the statement released on Monday, Mr Kelly also said he had been "under pressure" to get to "talks" at Stormont, and said he "phoned the number on the notice and the only response I got was music". After going back into the Metropolitan Arts Centre, he asked if they had another number for the company. But that did not connect either, he said. I wonder, seeing as it was 7.20 in the morning, why he did not think of getting a taxi to the meeting if it was that urgent? As party spokesperson on policing, he could have got the car unclamped later that day.

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

its was 1983 and you'll need to explain the leaflets to me,

Oh, I forgot, it was 1983 when he shot the prison officer in the head, that was justified so. And I'm surprised you never heard of the episode about the leaflets. The leaflets thing only happened in 2015. He only ordered and distributed 2500 of them so not too bad though. Could happen to anyone.
"Gerry Kelly only ordered 2,500 sectarian leaflets"
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/gerry-kelly-only-ordered-2-500-sectarian-leaflets-1-6997859

Even other Republicans were dismayed.
Quote:"One remarkable aspect of the affair has been the intervention of a number of party members expressing dismay. Seán Fearon, immediate past chairman of Sinn Féin at Queen’s University, was nothing if not forthright: “This is an absolute disgrace. The very antithesis of what republicanism represents. . . .not how many bloody Catholics and Protestants live in an area and assuming they’ll vote on ethno-nationalist lines as a result.”

"Party stalwart Joseph Donaghy was just as blunt: “Turning the race for the seat in North Belfast into a sectarian head count is absolutely disgraceful from the party I have dedicated so much of my time to and had so much belief in. Republicanism has been let down greatly by the Gerry Kelly leaflet.” ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eamonn-mccann-did-you-hear-the-one-about-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-sectarian-leaflet-1.2202425

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 07:42AM

Another blunder from the delusional shinners.......

......hardly surprising though, given their demonstrated tenuous grasp of history, and over tendency to revise events to suit their own narrative.......

Sinn Féin 'delusional' over origin of civil rights movement

Sinn Féin's national chairperson has been accused of being "delusional" for saying republicans inspired the civil rights campaign in Northern Ireland.

Sinn Féin's Declan Kearney claimed the civil rights movement was influenced by a decision of the IRA and Sinn Féin leadership

Bernadette McAliskey, who was involved in the campaign and later became an MP, said his claim has no basis in fact.

She is very critical of Mr Kearney's analysis of the civil rights movement.

"I really don't have the political space in my head - and I don't think anyone should - to engage in the delusional silliness of individual ramblings that people have about the past."

The former MP told the programme: "With respect, I think the article that Declan Kearney wrote is delusional... it has very little basis in reality, in fact or in coherence."

mfceiling · 09-02-2018 08:04AM

Bit stupid of Gerry parking on big bright yellow lines when there was public "legal" parking about 10 metres away.

Brendan Bendar · 09-02-2018 08:08AM

Lot of cracks appearing...

Brendan Bendar · 09-02-2018 08:10AM

mfceiling wrote: »

Bit stupid of Gerry parking on big bright yellow lines when there was public "legal" parking about 10 metres away.

That's 'Paddy' for ya.

Spend ten minutes in any shopping centre car park and you'll see examples of same.

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 09:02AM

mfceiling wrote: »

Bit stupid of Gerry parking on big bright yellow lines when there was public "legal" parking about 10 metres away.

Yes, these gouging companies would find it hard to exist if people were not momentarily stupid. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 09:13AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Another blunder from the delusional shinners.......

......hardly surprising though, given their demonstrated tenuous grasp of history, and over tendency to revise events to suit their own narrative.......

Sinn Féin 'delusional' over origin of civil rights movement

Wait until Bernadette meets you guys - cycle, blanch and the 'professional' historians!

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 09:24AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wait until Bernadette meets you guys - cycle, blanch and the 'professional' historians!

It's ok......I'm not professional until I pass my viva in April.

But if I was interested in that topic she'd obviously be top any list for an interview although I see she's already deposited some oral histories.

Quite remarkable, though, that someone who was 4 when McCaliskey was marching for civil rights, getting arrested and getting elected would try to claim her legacy......now that is a blunder, of pretty epic proportions......:D

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 09:31AM

Jawgap wrote: »

It's ok......I'm not professional until I pass my viva in April.

But if I was interested in that topic she'd obviously be top any list for an interview although I see she's already deposited some oral histories.

Quite remarkable, though, that someone who was 4 when McCaliskey was marching for civil rights, getting arrested and getting elected would try to claim her legacy......now that is a blunder, of pretty epic proportions......:D

I really cannot see why the following is being huffed about.

The role of the IRA and Sinn Féin may well sit uncomfortably with some but the reality is the SDLP didn’t exist in 1967/’68. Of course the SDLP is entitled to claim inspiration for its formation from the Civil Rights Movement but it was only formed in August 1970, after the Civil Rights Movement was launched by republicans, human rights activists, trade unionists and other political activists.

I have a lot of respect for Devlin but disagree with her huff about this. It is perfectly accurate to point out the different strands that came together to form the Civil Rights movement. Seamus Mallon had a similar huff when not 'adequately' lionised (in his opinion) a while ago.

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 09:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I really cannot see why the following is being huffed about.

I have a lot of respect for Devlin but disagree with her huff about this. It is perfectly accurate to point out the different strands that came together to form the Civil Rights movement. Seamus Mallon had a similar huff when not 'adequately' lionised (in his opinion) a while ago.

ah, nothing like messing up the causation in the name of revisionism.

Kearney was claiming.....

.....that it was the strategic decision of the IRA and Sinn Féin leaderships that helped to form the civil rights movement.

McCaliskey is suggesting such a view is delusional - I'd say MacDonald would just wish all the shinners would stay home with their mouths shut before one of them really takes the shine off her coronation.

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 10:02AM

Jawgap wrote: »

ah, nothing like messing up the causation in the name of revisionism.

Kearney was claiming.....

McCaliskey is suggesting such a view is delusional - I'd say MacDonald would just wish all the shinners would stay home with their mouths shut before one of them really takes the shine off her coronation.

It's 'McAliskey' btw.

Why is it 'delusional'?

Have you just greedily accepted what she said because 'it takes the gloss off Mary Lou's coronation'?

And, no doubt, you will continue to sprinkle the idea that you are 'professional' in your research and analysis.:rolleyes:

BTW, before you start by attacking my opinion here: I have no idea if SF and the IRA 'took a strategic decision' or not.

cycle4fun · 09-02-2018 10:19AM

Jawgap wrote: »

I'd say MacDonald would just wish all the shinners would stay home with their mouths shut before one of them really takes the shine off her coronation.

lol. I wonder will she stay leader as long as Gerry Adams? He even outshone Kim
Jong-il, he leader of North Korea, from 1994 until his own death in 2011. Gas man Gerry, he even attended a reception at the North Korean Embassy in Denmark to toast Kim Il Sung's 75th birthday in 1987. At least he was not one of the 6 Republicans who went on a top-secret training mission to North Korea in 1988, where they were taught assassination techniques and bomb-making skills by the totalitarian regime's military.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/official-iras-terror-trip-to-north-korea-29760564.html

McMurphy · 09-02-2018 10:34AM

cycle4fun wrote: »

lol. I wonder will she stay leader as long as Gerry Adams? He even outshone Kim
Jong-il, he leader of North Korea, from 1994 until his own death in 2011. Gas man Gerry, he even attended a reception at the North Korean Embassy in Denmark to toast Kim Il Sung's 75th birthday in 1987. At least he was not one of the 6 Republicans who went on a top-secret training mission to North Korea in 1988, where they were taught assassination techniques and bomb-making skills by the totalitarian regime's military.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/official-iras-terror-trip-to-north-korea-29760564.html

No, that was former Tainaste- Eamon Gilmores comrades, but you thought you'd mention it regardless.

09-02-2018 10:35AM

cycle4fun wrote: »

lol. I wonder will she stay leader as long as Gerry Adams? He even outshone Kim
Jong-il, he leader of North Korea, from 1994 until his own death in 2011. Gas man Gerry, he even attended a reception at the North Korean Embassy in Denmark to toast Kim Il Sung's 75th birthday in 1987. At least he was not one of the 6 Republicans who went on a top-secret training mission to North Korea in 1988, where they were taught assassination techniques and bomb-making skills by the totalitarian regime's military.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/official-iras-terror-trip-to-north-korea-29760564.html

Interesting piece in the Irish Times from Alex Kane, a good commentator from the Unionist side of the fence. Good advice maybe for serial whingers such as yourself, blanch etc......
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unionist-loathing-of-gerry-adams-was-counterproductive-1.3383651

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 10:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's 'McAliskey' btw.

Why is it 'delusional'?

You'll have to ask her why she thinks the shinner chairman is delusional.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you just greedily accepted what she said because 'it takes the gloss off Mary Lou's coronation'?

No, just pointing out between the bullying, yet another departure of a councillor, boltcutters-gate, the putrid state comment and the delusional chairman it seems the shinners are all over the news for the wrong reasons in the week they crown their new queen.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And, no doubt, you will continue to sprinkle the idea that you are 'professional' in your research and analysis.:rolleyes:

BTW, before you start by attacking my opinion here: I have no idea if SF and the IRA 'took a strategic decision' or not.

I really do not need, nor have I any interest in, the validation of anyone on boards.ie (unless my supervisor or putative examiners are on here

)

oh, and subject to me passing my viva and getting any re-writes done by the end of June, it seems the thesis is professional enough for publication (following appropriate editing).....on top of the the papers it yielded during preparation

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 10:42AM

Jawgap wrote: »

You'll have to ask her why she thinks the shinner chairman is delusional.

No, just pointing out between the bullying, yet another departure of a councillor, boltcutters-gate, the putrid state comment and the delusional chairman it seems the shinners are all over the news for the wrong reasons in the week they crown their new queen.

And why is that one wonders? Might it be that things that otherwise would be hardly worth a mention are being exaggerated to create 'whiffs of sulphur' as ordered by FG HQ?

I really do not need, nor have I any interest in, the validation of anyone on boards.ie (unless my supervisor or putative examiners are on here )

oh, and subject to me passing my viva and getting any re-writes done by the end of June, it seems the thesis is professional enough for publication (following appropriate editing).....on top of the the papers it yielded during preparation

Obviously you have no problem in jumping on faux outrage bandwagons in a 'part time' capacity. Take the auld mortar board off momentarily, so to speak. :rolleyes:

cycle4fun · 09-02-2018 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting piece in the Irish Times from Alex Kane,

And the piece says how Gerry says he was never in the IRA. And gives the impression the IRA was not active in the sixties.

More interesting is the link on the same Irish Times page to another Irish Times article: "Gerry Adams’s IRA years: An insider’s account"
Anthony McIntyre recalls the Sinn Féin leader’s time in the Provisional IRA

09-02-2018 10:53AM

Jawgap wrote: »

oh, and subject to me passing my viva and getting any re-writes done by the end of June, it seems the thesis is professional enough for publication

Leaving aside all the commentary in this thread and elsewhere, good luck with this. May I enquire as to the broad area of your studies?

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 10:55AM

cycle4fun wrote: »

And the piece says how Gerry says he was never in the IRA. And gives the impression the IRA was not active in the sixties.

More interesting is the link on the same Irish Times page to another Irish Times article: "Gerry Adams’s IRA years: An insider’s account"
Anthony McIntyre recalls the Sinn Féin leader’s time in the Provisional IRA

Really cycle4fun, this stuff is now only of historical significance.
You should be looking for a 'whiff of sulphur' off the new leadership...going forward.

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 10:57AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And why is that one wonders? Might it be that things that otherwise would be hardly worth a mention are being exaggerated to create 'whiffs of sulphur' as ordered by FG HQ?

Obviously you have no problem in jumping on faux outrage bandwagons in a 'part time' capacity. Take the auld mortar board off momentarily, so to speak. :rolleyes:

You really think FG can orchestrate councillor departures in SF?

Maybe the clamper and the lender of the bolt cutters were FG stooges? Not to mention the people who shot the various videos?

Also, for info, mortarboards are generally for undergrads - doctoral headwear is a tam, but in my uni tradition dictates we carry not wear them.

Jawgap · 09-02-2018 11:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Leaving aside all the commentary in this thread and elsewhere, good luck with this. May I enquire as to the broad area of your studies?

Thanks.

The effectiveness of operational research in the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces.

cycle4fun · 09-02-2018 11:02AM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

No, that was former Tainaste- Eamon Gilmores comrades,

Yes, I know that was the Official IRA, and Gerry was thought by many to be more closely associated with the PIRA. That is why I called the 6 man team which went to North Korea "Republicans".

Did you read the link? Very interesting

"North Korea Undercover by BBC Panorama reporter John Sweeney, reveals how the Official IRA men delivered a gift to President Kim Il Sung to thank the dictator for his support. It was a beautiful piece of Belleek porcelain, over 100 years old, which they had deliberately stolen in Belfast for their visit.
Author John Sweeney interviewed members of the six-strong Official IRA team that was trained by the Marxist dictatorship."

"One of the team, who is from west Belfast, tells how they were taught bomb-making, kidnapping techniques and the best way to kill a person without a gun. "

"While the Provos advocated 'armed struggle' against the British state, the Officials declared themselves socialist and said violence should be used only for defence and retaliation."

"The regime had a history of funding terror groups it believed would make trouble for the West. The Provos had long been keen to woo Pyongyang, with Sinn Fein sending the dictatorship messages of solidarity."

"Gerry Adams attended a reception at the North Korean Embassy in Denmark to toast Kim Il Sung's 75th birthday in 1987. But the Koreans never trusted the Provos, preferring to arm and train their republican rivals."

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2018 11:07AM

Jawgap wrote: »

You really think FG can orchestrate councillor departures in SF?

Maybe the clamper and the lender of the bolt cutters were FG stooges? Not to mention the people who shot the various videos?

Also, for info, mortarboards are generally for undergrads - doctoral headwear is a tam, but in my uni tradition dictates we carry not wear them.

No, FG cannot, as yet, do that, but members can give them inordinate significance and attach 'whiffs' to those events and actions.

Apologies on the mortarboard mistake, I admit I didn't pay too much attention to what stage you were at in your education.
And to be honest it is not the first time I have been reminded that I am talking to a 'Doctor'. Must be a trait.

Another Sinn Fein blunder?

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